Ugandans say Kony film is 'misleading,' 'too late'

Ugandans say Kony film is 'misleading,' 'too late'

www.news.com.au

"There has not been a single soul from the LRA here since 2006. Now we have peace, people are back in their homes, they are planting their fields, they are starting their businesses. That is what people should help us with."

"This paints a picture of Uganda six or seven years ago

we have decimated his capabilities now

"They are doing it only to garner increasing financial resources for their own agenda."

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I know most of you are probably sick to death off it, but oh well.

Finally, we see the point of view coming from Uganda ( or atleast we think )

They see the whole Kony 2012 thing as false and only used for financial gain. They also state that Kony has not been involved in Uganda since 06. They don't want help to stop Kony, but to help them prosper.

I don't think any of us needs lecturing on this matter anyway, we are all intellectually capable enough to see through the smoke and mirrors that is Invisible Children.

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I wish I could say I'm surprised by this, but I'm really not.

As I said in another thread yesterday, Invisible Children has raised over 10.5 million dollars over the last 3 years. What could it possibly be going towards when they use such cheap means as bracelets and posters to get their message out? 10.5 million dollars that could be used towards focusing on problems at home. This guy has been killing people for 30 years and now all of a sudden he "must be stopped." People in the US seem to have a problem where they feel it's their duty to "save the world" and that they will always need our help because we are somehow superior. That no one could possibly fix their own problems without our help. Invisible Children has exploited conformity and ignorance among the youth of America by appealing to their emotions, making it seem like by capturing this man it will somehow change the world as if Kony is the only man doing things like this in a world of 7 billion people. Why would you need to give away your money in order for Kony to be arrested? The world will go downhill faster with the youth growing up to be this stupid.

Now the government has people literally begging to intervene in Uganda militarily. People will literally cry tears of joy knowing that we are about to invade, and yet again exploit, another country for their profitable resources. Pathetic.

I think most of us, more or less knew that.

Now that IC propably got a lot of donations with this campaign, we can only hope that the attention from the puplic and media will put pressure on them, and they spend the money gained on humanitarian aid or other helpfull stuff on the people of Uganda.

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I totally agree! This has been going on for way too long and the most recent doco is too little too late!

Apart from that there is a fantastic movie that recently came out... kinda funny timing in regard to the whole kony thing don't ya think

Machine Gun Preacher

Based on a true story:

The story of Sam Childers, a former drug-dealing biker tough guy who found God and became a crusader for hundreds of Sudanese children who've been forced to become soldiers.

Sam Childers has been in Africa fighting the LRA and Kony for over 10 years -

Sam Childers -

Sam Childers (born 1962) is a former gang biker who now dedicates his life and resources to rescue children in the war zone of South Sudan. Childers and his wife Lynn founded and operate Angels of East Africa, the Children's Village Orphanage in Nimule, Sudan, where they currently have more than 300 children in their care.


This is currently the largest orphanage in Southern Sudan and is unique in its approach of leading armed rescue missions directly into LRA territory.


Full Article (Wiki)

Movie Trailer -



It is an amazing movie but very sad and moving!

This whole thing is utterly bizarre, I really do not understand what is going on. It has been an absolutely ground breaking effort to convince people something needs to be done about a problem that people have only just learnt about in a 30min marketing video. The level of vitriol that is directed at people who question the intentions of IC is also concerning.

Kony is obviously an evil basta%d, but he is not the only one. Both sides have been committing atrocities and no one actually knows where Kony is.

I was just about to post this, thank you OP

People think criticism against the Kony 2012 movement translates into carelessness for the lives of his victims. This is an entirely false premise. More people will die if intervention is executed incorrectly, and for different motivations. I've seen this happen too many times over the past decade, and most recently in Libya

People need to really analyse the situation surrounding the region with well documented information before coming to a conclusion, as if they know everything about the problems there after watching a 30min emotional based documentary

this felt like a government job from the moment that film starts, "this is an experiment" the narrator claims. this is an experiment, to see if the us government can make the people want to go to war in africa. the phonies (who research nothing) will jump on this bandwagon and ride it all the way to war in africa, because you know a country that isn't america (china) doing something (business in africa) to benefit thermselves well that might give them some sort of advantage in the whole global scale of things! this is a false flag of sorts the only difference is rather than making it up or doing it to themselves, it is something that happened 6 years ago and apparently has been resolved. this article is a good find, the quicker this gets debunked the better, i can't understand how this got seen by so many people so quickly did facebook just email the link to everyone? it's seriously worrying that so many people have seen it and will simply not question it. question everything.

Astroturfing

Astroturfing is a form of advocacy in support of a political, organizational, or corporate agenda, designed to give the appearance of a "grassroots" movement. The goal of such campaigns is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to another political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event.

Could the "Get Kony 2012" be classified as Astroturfing

en.wikipedia.org...

couldn't we just stay home and fix MK Ultra?

Yes we better go in and help the people there... Funny how all of these places that suddenly need "help" still have one big thing in common.

OIL

While the players keep on changing the game remains the same. This is, and always will be about resources. The pattern is so obvious it's laughable. Lets see, pull up a map of Africa now lets connect the dots and I can tell you where we will be targeting next. We have been in Egypt, Libya, now we are targeting Uganda, and next will be Sudan, and South Sudan. All have proven easily accessible oil reserves with modern equipment.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Astroturfing

Astroturfing is a form of advocacy in support of a political, organizational, or corporate agenda, designed to give the appearance of a "grassroots" movement. The goal of such campaigns is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to another political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event.

Could the "Get Kony 2012" be classified as Astroturfing

en.wikipedia.org...

Interesting concept.... now couple that with Senate bill 1067, in particular section 9, the funding portion of the bill.

S.1067 - Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament & Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009

Section 9 outlines the funding and says this:

SEC. 9. SENSE OF CONGRESS ON FUNDING
It is the sense of Congress that--
(1) of the total amounts to be appropriated for fiscal year 2011 for the Department of State and foreign operations, up to $10,000,000 should be used to carry out activities under section 5; andCommentsPermalink
(2) of the total amounts to be appropriated for fiscal year 2011 through 2013 for the Department of State and foreign operations, up to $10,000,000 in each such fiscal year should be used to carry out activities under section 7.

$10M a year for 3 years really seems a mere token amount in my opinion. When I found this bill yesterday I was stumped as to the relatively low amount given to this project. I thought about it all evening, discussing it with my boyfriend as well and if you look at the financials for the charity, last year's numbers for the charity came pretty close to $10M. If my memory serves me I believe it was a little over $8M. Now... with the release of this video at this time I am sure that their financials this year will be closer to the $10M mark, maybe even more.... getting my drift here? I am not sure I'm explaining my point well enough. I'm taking your astroturfing theory and meshing it with the wording of the bill and the financial statements of the charity.

Also, I would like to point out, for anyone that is interested, another little gem I found yesterday about Invisible Children. I'm not sure about anyone else out there but when I saw the video and found out how it ended up going viral I was still under the impression that this grassroots organization was just that...grassroots. Meaning that they operated on a shoestring budget, did all of their own releases, PR, advertising etc. However, I was able to find that this 'grassroots' organization has a very very slick advertising agency behind them. When I say slick, I mean... slick. The ad agency's clients include: LG, NFL teams, NASCAR, CBS, FOX, Disney and others. This ad agency specializes in online advertising, 'online reputation management' and marketing using social media to bolster an organizations online presence thereby driving revenue and I can imagine, is NOT cheap. Here is a link to the ad agency's website, I think it is well worth a few minutes to have a looksee at their client list as well as their philosophies: Invisible Children's Advertising Agency - Digitaria Is this a smoking gun? Hardly, but as my mother used to tell me, your reputation is only as good as those you associate with....

Now, as for those who would like to categorize myself. along with others who have shown a healthy skepticism of the charity itself, as being heartless, cruel, unfeeling people I would ask you nicely to stop. As a person who loves wordcrafting even I have no words to express my contempt for Kony and what he has done to these children. I would dearly love to see him brought to justice and in my opinion even hell is not good enough for him. But I cannot also begin to feel a little resentment towards the charity itself for using a marketing ploy to guilt me, and others, into supporting their 'efforts'. I stand firmly with the people of Uganda that say "too little too late". They should have done this a few years back, to do so now smells like a money grab, pure and simple.

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This is also a prime example of Metonymy - where Kony has become synonymous with child abduction and mutilation.
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Danbones
couldn't we just stay home and fix MK Ultra?

That can be fixed? What does mind control have to do with Uganda?

Originally posted by WillowToadie

Originally posted by Danbones
couldn't we just stay home and fix MK Ultra?

That can be fixed? What does mind control have to do with Uganda?

missing children

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We have been in Egypt, Libya, now we are targeting Uganda, and next will be Sudan, and South Sudan. All have proven easily accessible oil reserves with modern equipment

I've figured out how we will get into Sudan!!

As the article states the LRA (Lords Resistance Army) hasn't been in Uganda for nearly 6 years. I think we will make our pressence known in Uganda under the guise of searching for Kony and then the "NEWS" will surface that him and his men havnt been there in quite a while. Then an anonymous tip will surface saying that he's been spotted in Sudan carrying on his dastardly ways. We will leave some of our forces in Uganda just incase and to 'help' them rebuild. We will then move our efforts from Sudan to south Sudan after another anonymous tip and leave some of our people in Sudan 'just in case. Once we have our talons dug into Uganda, Sudan and S.Sudan, Kony will be captured and the world will all feel the warm and fuzzys knowing they've help to remove a very bad bad man.

Seeing all this unfold is like that friend you had as a kid that always used the same dang combo move on mortal combat that killed you every freaking time. He used it every time and you knew it was coming but there wasnt much you could do once the combo got started.

Well it's usually about somebody lining their pockets, so I'm not surpised.

Besides, people don't understand that you can't just throw money at Africa and expect this to get fixed. The same thing happened in Darfur, people were super pationate about it, millions of dollars were raised and nothing ever came of it.

Why?

Because the movement expected immediate change and that does not happen in these war torn countries. By the time the campaigns are over, these people have usually dealt with their own problems, or the problem cannot be dealt with by means of activism.

~Tenth

Interesting Side Note... IC's website is not loading as of today, it just keeps timing out..

Just an FYI that may or may not have any bearing on this

I definitely thought it odd that they're pushing for this "Own the night", in which on a certain day everyone all over the world posts these posters overnight, yet they're asking for money for the posters. If my main concern was getting the word out, I'd be shipping these 10 cent posters all over the world to whomever would take them. Especially if I've raised $10 million.

What is also weird is how this has gone viral only now. This is something that we knew about a decade ago as well and been reported well even by mainstream media, but yet now decades later one "documentary" changes it all.
And this is just one of many countries with similar or worse issues, but yet no one is screaming about those...
There is for sure some kind of agenda behind this viral video i think.