In the future, I’m right: Letter from Aldous Huxley to George Orwell over 1984

I totally agree that the visions of the future were an exploration of the future "Plan"

By pushing the more sever version vs the less severe version
( we had to read both books in depth in high school)
IMHO it helps people choose the less severe in repulsion to the more severe concept
So Is it possible the books are part of the conditioning process in that way?

As in subtle:
lets choose the sixties love and peace version of sex and drugs...
( halucinogenics open the mind right up to programming which is why the army was the biggest cause of '___''s release and popularization)
(PORN is LOADED with suggestions ( linguistic and symbolic ) to submit)
over the MAKE ME by brute force method of for example Stalinist Russia or North Korea...

Originally posted by Hessdalen
Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons

And... check.

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Hmm.. this is a tough one. I actually agree with both authors, that both techniques would be used. I believe that our Western Governments clearly use Huxley's method of conditioning through psychosis, propaganda, mass media. But I also firmly believe in the primal animal instinct of the psychotics that end up in positions of power. My theory is that while the "system" starts out through social and mental conditioning, slowly consolidating power and control, eventually at a certain point where the position of the "people" place them in such an awkward position as to not being able to defend themselves, the natural primal urge to subjugate the population will take over and we will see the "Orwellian Nightmare". Huxley offers not an end game but the path to the end game.. "Brave New World" is the beginning phases of "1984".

Awesome post. Huxley is one of my favorite authors, he was well ahead of his time and a true man of occultist knowledge. I agree with you. Sometimes I find it odd that people spend more time looking at screens then the world around them... Scary stuff S+F

My brother told me about this letter a few years ago, it is nice to have finally read it.

I think we combine both elements. Up in Canada with them trying to pass bill C10 (throw everyone in jail) and bill C30 (warrantless spying) and in USA with SOPA and PIPA, the West has nice elements of 1984 thrown in. Combine MSM and reality TV and we have a population who don't care about anything, and if they do they are spied upon and thrown into jail.

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It would appear they were both right. A combined approach is the best way to control us and placate us.

It will in the future however I think prove them both wrong. I think they ignore the drive inside us to be free, the fact we fight back against the powers they point out and the fact that no power can stand up to or control a united populace.

I think it's more of loop always taking us around the same bend and back to the start, to play the track yet again.

Do you think George Orwell is turning in his grave at the irony of this image ?

What Goes Around

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That isn't how you spell "literary genius"

Personally op, awesome find. I think we are living in a combination as well. All three. Brave new world, 1984, and fahrenheit 451

Fahrenheit 451 got the drone aspect perfectly. The drones are the future to enforce like 1984 while brainwashing like Fahrenheit and brave new world.

1984 changed the books
Fahrenheit burned the books
And brave new world brainwashed people into not caring about books

I had to read all three in school a decade ago and I have always believed we are living in all three at the same time

Hypnotism is the future.
And there's that new patent Sony has on a device to beam info straight to our brains. Probably just going to be for video games,or tv, maybe movies.
Or they miight weaponize it. A hallucination gun, or Hypnosis towers to tell you how to be a good citizen while you sleep. We are headed for all three books

Even today, we burn the books
We change the books
We brainwash people into not caring about the books

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"Brave New World" is the beginning phases of "1984".

If you look at our actual technology, I think you may be right.

The bombardment of information is enough to pacify our minds with adverts, promotions, sales, votes and such, - and yes we are always expected to be grateful for our distractions otherwise we will take a fine, imprisonment or a boot to the teeth.

Fantastic Thread OP! S&F.


I'm 27 now, and even though my Father had me read 1984 when I was 16, and consistently tried to open my eyes to what was going on 10-11yrs ago, it hadn't fully sank in until these last few years. Now, I'm just awestruck by all the blatant control of the American public, and just can't fully grasp how everyone can have the wool pulled over their eyes so easily.

I have not read Brave New World, as this is the first time I've ever heard of it. I for sure will be purchasing that as soon as I get home tonight and read it ASAP.


As of late, I've had the desire to just start protesting or attempting to organize protests to call out all the BS the Government is pulling on the American people, but I don't really know where to start, and when I express my views, my fellow Americans just brush me off saying "you're crazy."

Obviously the Fluoride affects some more than others.

Remember how alcohol and drugs were characterized by the culture of the past 50 years?

"..there is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, three for a dark eternity on the moon..."

I don't believe they have perfected "Soma" but they are getting close.

"In the end John was forced to give in. Linda got her soma. Thenceforward she remained in her little room on the thirty-seventh floor of Bernard's apartment house, in bed, with the radio and television always on, and the patchouli tap just dripping, and the soma tablets within reach of her hand - there she remained; and yet wasn't there at all, was all the time away, infinitely far away, on holiday; on holiday in some other world, where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours, a sliding, palpitating labyrinth, that led (by what beautifully inevitable windings) to a bright centre of absolute conviction; where the dancing images of the television box were the performers in some indescribably delicious all-singing feely; where the dripping patchouli was more than scent - was the sun, was a million saxophones, was Popé making love, only much more so, incomparably more, and without end."

I wonder whether Chomsky ´s manufacturing of consent theory came to him before or after reading this letter. Thanks OP very interesting post.

Huxley is great, I just finished the does Of perception and heaven and hell

Originally posted by RUSSO
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this goes hand in hand with MAKING people think they want to submit to this tyranny

perfect

You said well. Perfect.

I wonder how Huxley and Orwell could be so visionaries about the future. It seems PTB have prepared the battlefield to their advantage by passing totalitarian laws nowadays.

This is a very good discussion! This reminds me of when I was talking with my wife about the infringements on rights committed by the TSA. Let me note, my wife has not been on a place since two months before 9/11. Her response to me saying it was an invasion of privacy was, "They just want to keep everyone safe." Thankfully, I've been able to educate her over the last couple years and she now sees the problems. But that is the mentality we are talking about here. People are led to believe certain ideas, which they later claim came from themselves. It is all about making it comfortable to not have to think for yourself. It really is mind control. It really is scary. It really is happening. The good news is that it really can be stopped by helping others see the media/culture programming. We all should have one-on-one conversations with family members and friends to help them see that their complacency will be their own demise.

Fantastic post, OP!


I haven't read A Brave New World - but 1984 is my absolute favorite book. I can't wait to get my hands on a copy of that one!

Like the previous poster said about the TSA - I completely agree and really find it sad how everyone is completely blind to what's going on.

With the use of fluoride, food additives, poor diet, educational indoctrination, and hypnotic devices such as music, television and movies, the government has done a pretty good job of enslaving us without the "boot to the face."

Now it seems that people are waking up, the boots are coming out.

I think this round goes to Huxley, but Orwell will have had the clearer vision of the endgame before it's all said and done. (based on my foggy recollection of the books. It's been a while.)

its a great article, and the huxley vs orwell picture is entertaining, but the internet has the ball now it seems.

also it appears to me that the internet generation is ready to take a stand and topple all of this BS we have going on now with power structures and what not. just look at anonymous for example. its the internet generation making changes and ready to fight against tyranny (or what is perceived as tyranny) in a way that most older people aren't ready to do, maybe because they get most of their info from TV and thus get the idea that everything is okay.

when these TV-watcher generations eventually die off, all we'll be left with is internet generation people and well-informed people who won't take any more of the crap we seem to take nowadays. and when that happens, i think it will be a whole new world.

this is a picture/illustration that i found in the internet which is very related

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Perfect example of the Brave New World in action. The "arab spring" and this Kony crap are govt psy ops, all the way. You think you are gaining "knowledge at a speed undreamed of by our parents' generation". HA. You are being PROPAGANDIZED at a speed undreamed of by your parents' generation. Yet you THINK you are free and know what's going on. You are falling right into the honeypot.

Wow, if this isn't the most powerful and relevant message for right now than I don't know what is.