Earthly coincidences...or not.

I suspect many of you will have seen much of this information before. Much of it has been taken from two documentaries and I’ll provide links to them at the bottom of the post. My main reason for posting it is because I’ve noticed several people mention they have limited bandwidth so cannot watch them. If you are one of those people, are you aware that you can alter the bit rate when viewing on youtube?
By selecting the 240 setting you massively reduce the bandwidth, for e.g. an 87 minute movie on the default setting (think its 360) will consume about 460 megabytes whereas an 87 minute movie with the 240 setting will consume about 181 megabytes, that’s a huge difference.


So many coincidences!!!

Most of us have observed a solar eclipse but have you ever wondered why (from the observers position) the moon is the exact size needed to cover the sun?.
When the moon eclipses the sun it’s a perfect fit. If the moon or the sun were different in size this wouldn’t happen. If the distance between the earth and the moon, or the sun and the moon were different it wouldn’t happen. It seems strange how it’s all just perfect for a complete solar eclipse?
Of course the experts will tell you this is just a coincidence.

In 1997 Architect Micheal Glickman noticed that a crop circle had some unusual properties, he noticed that by drawing a straight line from the centres of the four satellite circles he could square the circumference of the main inner circle.
Designer Allen Brown then noticed that for 25 years these circles had been showing us how to perform this task, a task that nobody else had noticed for over 2000 years, that of squaring the circle, with just a compass, a ruler, and a pencil. It’s strange that once this had been realised this type of crop formation stopped.
Allen Brown said “This method is so simple that even a child could do it and the accuracy is limited only by the thickness of the pencil line”.
He also noted that the same could be done with the earth and the moon i.e. square the circumference of the earth using the moon.
Of course the experts will tell you this is just another coincidence.

reply to post by VoidHawk


That's one of the more interesting strings I've been through.

Great post OP, thanks for putting it together. Now that I think about it I realize just what a coincidence it is with the solar eclipse. I will definitely check out the documentaries.

I highly doubt that all of the information given is "coincidence", and it's interesting indeed. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

reply to post by VoidHawk


The moon's apparent size isn't always the same size of the sun, since both object's distances change constantly.

When we see that in a solar eclipse, it's called an Annular eclipse...



Can you explain this image better?



You say that by joining the centres of the four small circles you square the circumference of the inner circle, I would have taken the term "square the circumference of the circle"as having the square touching the outer edges of the inner circle. Besides all that the size of the square is determined by the diameter of the smaller outer circles.

There's too many variables there, which you've taken advantage of by replacing the circles with the earth and the moon...



The relative diameters are completely different to that shown in the crop circle.

The rest? Maybe someone else can can check that out, maths isn't my forte!

Nice thread

ETA: Things like the radius of earth and the moon are variable too, for example, the radius of earth ranges from ≈3,947–3,968 miles and the moon is no different.

Also, dimensions like miles,feet, millimetres are modern concepts, ancient civilizations never used such things.

Originally posted by Chadwickus

Can you explain this image better?

Take any circle, divide the diameter into four equal circles (as shown). Place the new smaller circles into a square pattern such that their edges touch the original circle (again, as shown). Draw a square between the centers of the small circles.

The perimeter of this new square = the circumference of the first big circle: "squaring the circle". This is useful because it allows for a way to measure a circular line using straight lines. Also, knowing this algorithm allows us to calculate the diameter of the earth using only the diameter of the moon.

You say that by joining the centres of the four small circles you square the circumference of the inner circle, I would have taken the term "square the circumference of the circle"as having the square touching the outer edges of the inner circle. Besides all that the size of the square is determined by the diameter of the smaller outer circles.

The smaller circle diameters are chosen as 1/4 of the diameter of the original circle.

The relative diameters are completely different to that shown in the crop circle.

actually, no.
This is an illusion created by addition of the 'halos' to the smaller circles: the math = correct.

just sayin'

great compilation, OP

reply to post by galactix


Excellent thread OP, right up my strasse!

About 'squaring the circle', you said to divide the larger circle circumference into four equal circles. For this to work for the earth/moon, doesn't this mean the diameter of the earth should be 4x the diameter of the moon? Using the OP's numbers, that doesn't quite figure: 7920/4 = 1,980, not the 2,160 quoted for the moon.

Sorry if I've missed the point here!

Originally posted by GoldenChild
reply to post by galactix

 

Excellent thread OP, right up my strasse!

About 'squaring the circle', you said to divide the larger circle circumference into four equal circles. For this to work for the earth/moon, doesn't this mean the diameter of the earth should be 4x the diameter of the moon? Using the OP's numbers, that doesn't quite figure: 7920/4 = 1,980, not the 2,160 quoted for the moon.

Sorry if I've missed the point here!

edit on 29/1/2012 by GoldenChild because: (no reason given)

Divide the original diameter by 4.
This is a method for determining circumference.

Very thought provoking thread...

*S&F*


After reading it in its entirety, I say in my very humble opinion:


There's no such thing as coincidence.
Everything happens for a reason.

Originally posted by galactix

Originally posted by GoldenChild
reply to post by galactix

 

Excellent thread OP, right up my strasse!

About 'squaring the circle', you said to divide the larger circle circumference into four equal circles. For this to work for the earth/moon, doesn't this mean the diameter of the earth should be 4x the diameter of the moon? Using the OP's numbers, that doesn't quite figure: 7920/4 = 1,980, not the 2,160 quoted for the moon.

Sorry if I've missed the point here!

edit on 29/1/2012 by GoldenChild because: (no reason given)

Divide the original diameter by 4.
This is a method for determining circumference.

i just divided the original diameter by 4 and got 1981.5838 miles. that's not the diameter of the moon. i am a bit mathematically challenged haha but this just isn't making sense to me.

another interesting post, OP! S+F

Very nice thread, S+F well deserved.
A lot of coincidences indeed, with the small exception of the annular eclipses mentioned by Chadwickus.
One coincidence can still be just a coincidence, when there are so many it's very difficult not to think differently. But now let's assume that diameter and position of the Moon are NO coincidence....what does this imply? 1) God exists and He put all together in this way to let us enjoy the total eclipses; 2) A super-race is/was so powerful and advanced that they were able to determine the position of celestial bodies; the peculiar position of Earth/Sun/Moon is consequently their "message"; 3) .........?

Thanks OP for postin all this.

Great thread. Very very interesting. I have always been a bit skeptical about how crop circles are formed but nevertheless S&F.

Mathematically, "coincidences" are pretty rare. Yet its funny how people tend to associate coincidences with a lot of what they see, not just with what you've brought up in your article but also with other stuff that goes on in the world.

VERY GOOD COMMON SENSE! I appreciate down to earth articles like this. Thank you.

reply to post by VoidHawk


Very interesting thread

However, you summed up by saying....

For those of us willing to accept that all this is not a coincidence we have to consider what it all means.

Yet you haven't said what you "think it all means".........what do you consider it all to mean?

very cool, thanks for taking the time to explain the numbers. If you are correct ,then we are heading in the right direction for answers, if you are wrong then its just a coincidence. S&F .I for one, think you are on the right path.

Allen Brown said “This method is so simple that even a child could do it and the accuracy is limited only by the thickness of the pencil line”.

Chadwickus, the thickness of a pencil line on earth, as a guide in space, is minimal dont you think?

ETA: Things like the radius of earth and the moon are variable too, for example, the radius of earth ranges from ≈3,947–3,968 miles and the moon is no different.

reply to post by VoidHawk


Ra (not a god, but an advanced being from another world) built the pyramids. What else can you expect for a higher being?

As interesting as this topic is(S&F for you)

I just can't get behind the idea of it not being a coincidence. I believe in Alien life, I believe they have visited us.

But if it were to accept that this couldn't be a coincidence I'd be lying to myself. Have you ever actually taken the time to pay attention to coincidences in life? The world is made up of them, many of them very very insignificant but a coincidence nonetheless.

If something exists in the realm of possibility then coincidences tell me it could easily happen right before our eyes.

I spent a good 4-5 months driving myself crazy trying to find something behind things I thought had meaning, only to realize(as more and more of them kept happening) they were nothing more then coincidences.

The moon probably contains Alien bases (esp. on the far side), and was probably "put there" by an advanced civilization who maybe even seeded life on Earth. Life is the universe is Cool

reply to post by VoidHawk


That is amazing. To think that the ancient Egyptians measured in meters!

Actually, according to Wikipedia, the size of the base The Great Pyramid (Khufu's Horizon) averages 204.4 meters (note that this is approximate because the base of the Great Pyramid isn't even square).

This means that the diagonal size is 325.8 meters.

Subtracting 204.4 from 325.8 gives 95.4 which is NOWHERE NEAR the speed of light.

I suspect that the other figures you have given for the crop circles are just as FALSE, but I do not know the measurements of those crop circles.

Denying ignorance means not taking what someone tells you at face value if you can check for yourself.




Also tried it in "Pyramid Inches" just in case there was a conversion issue going on:

Base = 217, diagonal therefore 306.88. so diagonal diameter minus base size diameter = 179.77

Still nowhere near the speed of light in meters!

I think this particular "factlet" is fully debunked.

reply to post by VoidHawk

And if you go back millions of years then moon would no longer be "perfect fit" for eclipses.
The moon was once much closer to earth and in future it will no longer even be close enough to give us a total solar eclipse.