The Sitchin - Catholic Problem

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by undo

 

sitchin vs catholics , thats 2 of the factions argueing over who`s imaginary friend is real , yes ?

nope. sitchin was not exactly a practicing jew. he was more of a new ager i think. although utimately, he gives his allegiance to enki, who he believes to have been the kinder and more supportive of humans, out of the anunnaki. oddly, that may put sitchin and catholics on the same side of the playing field, depending on whether the leadership of the rcc is enki-ite or enlil-ite. yes it's gotten to that.

The procession of the equinoxes
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the red numbers are years and the star-map shows which constellation the sun would rise on the spring equinox at that date– this is how astrologers know what astrological age the earth is in

Notice that about the year zero the sun started to rise in the constellation of Pisces (on the spring equinox)

So during the age of Taurus there are bull cults, during the age of Aries there are cults to Aries, so guess what, during the age of Pisces there are cults based on that age as well, the prime example being the Christian cult – Jesus is nothing more than a continuation of the sun god avatar theme - this time for the age of Pisces


and if this isn’t the case then why did the early Christian apologist Justin Martyr need to write?:

"when we say … Jesus Christ, our teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propose nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you consider sons of Zeus”

Originally posted by racasan
The procession of the equinoxes
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the red numbers are years and the star-map shows which constellation the sun would rise on the spring equinox at that date– this is how astrologers know what astrological age the earth is in

Notice that about the year zero the sun started to rise in the constellation of Pisces (on the spring equinox)

So during the age of Taurus there are bull cults, during the age of Aries there are cults to Aries, so guess what, during the age of Pisces there are cults based on that age as well, the prime example being the Christian cult – Jesus is nothing more than a continuation of the sun god avatar theme - this time for the age of Pisces

the problem with that theory is, even though it's generally true, it isn't specifically true. as a result it can be said to be true and not be inaccurate, but not revealing enough at the same time. it's another case of the catholic problem. they chose the precessional symbol usage for jesus, because this is part of how all the power centers of the world kept track of ages on earth. it doesn't mean he's a fish or that fish gods didn't have prominent roles in the past when we weren't in the age of pisces. it's just the catholic church doing what it does (being ecumenical), which frequently confuses the hell out of people.

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SplitInfinity,

Hi, the OP was a book! Sorry, I didn't read all of it. If you don't mind, would you share your faith background, were you baptized Roman Catholic? Maybe not.

Evolution, is a theory. When you make Science your God or your own intellect you simply can't see Our Lord's mother Mary did not come from the apes. God keeps things separate, a species evolves within itself but no species evolves into another.

Science isn't always right. And the same about disbelievers putting down
the faith. It's pure pride to think the teachings of the faith passed down
from the Apostles to Christians today are not true, as if the first Christians hearing it from Our Lord got it wrong. Remember, Peter and all of the Apostles but beloved John were martyred for their beliefs!

Who could stand to go their entire life thinking we can't know our creator's
beautiful plan for humanity. God has revealed it, forget PO.

In our time, God is going to bring about a 2nd Pentecost for the entire world this time. Amen and Alleluia


God bless you all reading this thread,

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same to ya!

and what op of split infinity's are you referring to?
just to be sure i know what you're talking about.

an example of using "precession" in scripture.
the prophecies in the book of revelation are filled with precession of the equinoxes info, primarily because it helps gauge the general timeframe of the events, so researchers can recognize the "times and seasons". now some would say this is evidence that it's for the benefit of today's rulers, a game plan of sorts, so they know what to do next. maybe. i'm more inclined to believe it was a legit prophecy, and leaders today are trying to figure out how they can thwart it, not help it happen.

for example there are prophecies that talk about the kings and queens of the world being taken down, destroyed and eaten by birds, who have been instructed to eat them. pretty gruesome. can you imagine the leaders of the communist party in china being happy about that? or the queen of england? the presidents or other rulers on the planet? doesn't sound like something they would wish upon themselves unless i'm missing something.

does it sound like a world wide revolution? nope. it sounds like total chaos brought on by various things such as the arrival of ufos, wars, cataclysms of various kinds, increasing in intensity, and then people raiding whatever they can to have one last hoorah before they die, and of course that would include all the palaces and polit buros and cathedrals, churches, mosques, temples, banks, everything, everywhere. like visiting vengeance on whoever they liked to blame for their woes.

maybe it's a heads up, sorta like jonah warning nineveh, but in this case, for the rulers of the planet. behave or this will happen. and since most of them could give two plugged nickles for behaving, it becomes self-fulfilling perhaps? i dunno. i don't want to see anyone die, in any fashion. i don't believe in capital punishment or war. i like to compete in games, but that and debating is the extent of my desire to best another person at something.

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When Moses was said to have descended from the mountain with the ten commandments (c. 17th - 13th century BC, the end of the Age of Taurus),some of his people or followers were found by him to be worshipping a golden bull calf. He instructed these false idol-worshippers to be killed. This represents Moses "killing" the bull and ending the Age of Taurus, and ushering in the Age of Aries, which he represents.

Check out that time frame (17th - 13th century BC) here to see where the sun was at that time:
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Then look here
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are those horns on his head - goat horns maybe as in Aries the goat ?


The Sunday school version is that:
Moses goes up the mountain to get the 10 commandments – meanwhile back at the camp the Jews decide to make a golden calf to worship

Wait… what?
Think about this, the Jews have seen Jehovah do all sorts of stuff and help them get away from Egypt and so on but even so they decide to build a golden calf to worship – this has a huge credibility gap for me


What I think is that whoever put the bible together did it in such a way that it can be read on two levels the first being the Sunday school level that simple uneducated souls take as true

the other level is an occult (hidden) level which would tell the initiated the Moses thing is about the equinoxes and the change from the age of Age of Taurus to the age of Aries

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EXCEPT, the bull thing is more than info about the equinoxes. let me give you an example:

enki was likened to a bull in the sumerian-akkadian texts, as was enlil so this must mean their stories were created in the age of taurus? but wait, what's this: enki was also depicted as a man with water running out of his shoulders and with buckets of water by his feet. in fact, his akkadian title, EA, made him the god of water. wouldn't that mean that the age of aquarius was upon them back then? and further still, the babylonian star charts depict enki-ea's kingdom smack in the middle of the pisces fish. does that mean the age of pisces was upon them?

you've heard of the as above so below thing, right?

as for moses' horns, rome took the roman statues of the roman gods, and gave them bible character names. a statue of jupiter became jesus. a statue of venus or whatever, became mary. i'm guessing that was a statue of pan, who was then transformed into moses when the "pagan" roman empire became the "holy roman empire." they did this, presumably, because it was easier for their population to adapt, since they were accustomed to praying to statues. they are nothing if not ecumenical. they absorb other beliefs and try to adapt the main religion to the new arrivals and try to adapt the new arrivals to the main religion.

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Im sure the Sumerian zodiac has some differences to the current one used today

Could only find this:
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but if enki was likened to a bull and then was later depicted as a man with water running out of his shoulders and with buckets of water by his feet – would that not suggest that enki was the just an (as in not real) avatar or archetype of one age but was transformed to become the avatar of a new age?



I seem to remember in one of Sitchin's books that when enlil tried to start his age (or his time to be in control) he was stopped because he was to soon and that it was still enki’s age (I am probably miss-quoting this as I am working from memory)

But I remember thinking at the time that if this story was based on the procession of the equinoxes that it would make sense given that it is very difficult to work out when one age ends and another begins – given that its tricky to work out the constellations boundaries and when the sun changes from one sign to another

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Which must mean that trying to use the bible as a source of data for your Anunnaki hypothesis is going to be a big problem for you given that the text is about something else (a myth based around astrological/calender type information)

Originally posted by racasan
reply to post by undo

 

Im sure the Sumerian zodiac has some differences to the current one used today

Could only find this:
www.helulf.se...

but if enki was likened to a bull and then was later depicted as a man with water running out of his shoulders and with buckets of water by his feet – would that not suggest that enki was the just avatar or archetype of one age but was transformed to become the avatar of a new age?



I seem to remember in one of Sitchin's books that when enlil tried to start his age (or his time to be in control) he was stopped because he was to soon and that it was still enki’s age (I am probably miss-quoting this as I am working from memory)

But I remember thinking at the time that if this story was based on the procession of the equinoxes that it would make sense given that it is very difficult to work out when one age ends and another begins – given that its tricky to work out the constellations boundaries and when the sun changes from one sign to another

technically speaking, enki was not transformed, as he was always the king of the abzu (the abyss), which was considered to be water later on. as a result of the misinfo in enuma elish, it even had a brief stint as a god named Abzu who was the consort of Tiamat, who had also been deified. when in fact, the abzu in question, was an abyss in water but wasn't itself, water. very old info, and the resulting generational layering and bias that occurs.

i'm just showing you how what may look to be one thing, such as the age of pisces or aquarius in the middle of the age of taurus, is in fact evidence that the precession of the equinoxes (ages of man) is not the only reason for precessional type data. also, the water man (aquarius), in the as above so below data, is perched right on top of persia (iraq/iran). that would suggest the age of aquarius will be ruled from iraq/iran. i don't think so but stranger things have happened. the text says the world will be ruled from jerusalem. so unless jerusalem gets moved to iraq/iran, there's a problem houston.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by colbe

 

same to ya!

and what op of split infinity's are you referring to?
just to be sure i know what you're talking about.

undo,

My question is for you then. Share with everyone your faith background
friend.


XXXXX, undo,

Hi, the OP was a book! Sorry, I didn't read all of it. If you don't mind, would you share your faith background, were you baptized Roman Catholic? Maybe not.

Evolution, is a theory. When you make Science your God or your own intellect you simply can't see Our Lord's mother Mary did not come from the apes. God keeps things separate, a species evolves within itself but no species evolves into another.

Science isn't always right. And the same about disbelievers putting down
the faith. It's pure pride to think the teachings of the faith passed down
from the Apostles to Christians today are not true, as if the first Christians hearing it from Our Lord got it wrong. Remember, Peter and all of the Apostles but beloved John were martyred for their beliefs!

Who could stand to go their entire life thinking we can't know our creator's
beautiful plan for humanity. God has revealed it, forget PO.

In our time, God is going to bring about a 2nd Pentecost for the entire world this time. Amen and Alleluia


God bless you all reading this thread,

were you baptized Roman Catholic

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hehehehehe. whew.

okay, colbe, i love ya like a brother/sister in jesus, but i was baptized in the name of jesus. why would i wanna be baptized in the name of a religion? blink blink.

Originally posted by undo

were you baptized Roman Catholic

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hehehehehe. whew.

okay, colbe, i love ya like a brother/sister in jesus, but i was baptized in the name of jesus. why would i wanna be baptized in the name of a religion? blink blink.

Well, I hope in the name of the rest of the Blessed Trinity and with water?

Share a little more about your faith background would you please?

I was baptized as an infant at St. Patrick's Church. I fell away from the faith of my Baptism, Roman Catholicism and by the grace of God, actually found it for the first time.

the thing with Stichin is he leaves us off at Mardok being declared supreme god. He is left to rule in the age of the Bull and then nothing.

Their race was known by various names. In Greece, the Annodoti. In Sumeria, the Annunaki. In the Celtic lore, the Tuatha de Danaan. In the Semetic scriptures (Torah, Talmud, Old Testament, and other Apocryphal texts like the Book of Enoch), they are called The Nephilim, "The Sons of God," or the Watchers. They are described as having attachments such as wings, horns, and even fish scales, but from the depictions it is clear that these are clothes or costumes worn for their symbolic value, for these symbols indicated divine power and royal blood. The gods themselves had their own monarchy, with laws of succession similar to our own, and they built a global empire upon the Earth, with great cities, temples and monuments, and mighty nations established on several continents. They created mankind as a slave race to work on their farms and in their gold mines, among other things. The Sumerian legends are very clear: man was made to "bear the yoke of the gods." Man was separate from the gods, like a domesticated animal, and there was a great cultural taboo amongst the gods against sharing any of their sacred information with humanity, even things such as writing and mathematics. These gods ruled directly over Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley, and their rule is recorded in the histories of all three civilizations.


That the Merovingian bloodline came from elsewhere is clear because of the legend that surrounds their founder, King Merovee, who is said to have been the spawn of a "Quinotaur," a giant fish or a sea monster, who raped his mother when she went out to swim in the ocean. Now it becomes clear why he is called "Merovee," because in French, mer means sea. And in some traditions, Atlantis was called Meru, or Maru. (It is also the name of the famous "World Mountain" of Eastern tradition.) For these gods, navigation above all was important to them, for it was their sea power that maintained their military might and their successful mercantile trade. (Mer is also the origin of the word "mercantile.") The Atlanteans were associated with the sea and were often depicted as mermen, or sea monsters, with scales, fins, and horns. And they were variously associated with a number of important animals, whose symbolism they held sacred: horses, bulls, goats, rams, lions, fish, serpents, dragons, even cats and dogs. And as we will see, all of these things relate back to the sea imagery with which these gods were associated.

This global monarchy was the crowning glory of the Ages, and the period of their rule came to be called the Golden Age or, as the Egyptians called it, "The First Time," when the gods watched over man directly, like a shepherd his flock. In fact, they were often called "The Shepherd Kings." One of the symbols of this world monarchy was an eye hovering over a throne, and this eye now adorns our dollar bill, presented as the missing capstone of the Great Pyramid of Giza, underneath which are written the words "New World Order." Clearly this "New World Order" is the global monarchy that our Founding Fathers (not a Democrat among them) intended for this nation to participate in all along, symbolized by a pyramid as a representation of the ideal and perfectly ordered authoritarian empire. During the Golden Age of the Gods, a new king's ascendance to the global throne would be celebrated by the sacrifice of a horse, an animal sacred to Poseidon, one of the Atlantean god-kings and Lord of the Seas. (Recall that Merovingian King Clovis was buried with a severed horse's head.) In fact there is an amusing story about how King Sargon's rebellious son Sagara tried to prevent his father's assumption of the world throne from being solidified by stealing his sacrificial horse. The horse was not recovered until years later, and Sagara, along with the "sons of Sagara," i.e., those members of his family who had assisted him, were forced to dig their own mass grave. This grave was oddly called "The Ocean."

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All these houses are Enkites claiming their dependency to Enki through Mardok himself. Usually there is a fusion of blood.

The Quinotaur (Lat. Quinotaurus) is a mythical sea creature mentioned in the 7th century Frankish Chronicle of Fredegar. Referred to as "bestea Neptuni Quinotauri similis",[1] (the beast of Neptune which resembles a Quinotaur) it was held to have fathered Meroveus by attacking the wife of the Frankish king Chlodio and thus to have sired the line of Merovingian kings.

The name translates from Latin as "bull with five horns", whose attributes have commonly been interpreted as the incorporated symbols of the sea god Neptune with his trident, and the horns of a mythical bull or Minotaur.
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Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by undo

were you baptized Roman Catholic

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hehehehehe. whew.

okay, colbe, i love ya like a brother/sister in jesus, but i was baptized in the name of jesus. why would i wanna be baptized in the name of a religion? blink blink.

Well, I hope in the name of the rest of the Blessed Trinity and with water?

yeah water, trinity, but as an adult.
is this the inquisition?

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probably because if he followed it up he would have to admit that jesus is like enki redux and among jews, those would be fightin' words.

So we are being taken over by "shepherd kings"

according to Stichin, which trade was preferred and put under the tutorship of mardok, the farmer or the shepherd. the shepherd was. Abel was murdered, Mardok loved him dearly. This didnt help the feud.

who provided the best sacrifice and made the other jealous of the other? Cain or Abel. Abel's descendants

A Babylonian tablet located in the British Museum (No 74329), circa 2000 B.C. contains the Sumerian record of the Line of
Cain. Copied by A.R. Millard and translated by W.G. Lambert (Kadmos, vol. VI), it speaks of the beginnings of a group of
people who were ploughmen,(agriculturists) which corresponds to the biblical "tiller of the land."
They were called AMAKANDU - And, the Mesopotamian chief of these people was KA'IN

The Creation of the Shepherd Kings

The notion of the serpent as evil came into our consciousness during the early Christian era. Prior to this, the biblical serpent
was often connected with godly knowlege, healing and immortality. The Hebrew word for the creature who tempted Eve is
"nahash" which literally means "he who solves secrets."


The Anunnaki came to earth for the purpose of colonization and mining. Through their advanced knowledge of genetics, they
created a slave race. To watch over their 'herd' of slaves, they created a hybrid group of 'shepherd kings'. These 'hybrids'
enjoyed the protection of the gods in exchange for their services and loyalty. Being at least 75 per cent Anunnaki, Caine was the
first in the Shepherd Kingship line. The line of Cain went on to produce what we know today as the 'blue blood' lineage, always
interbreeding within the Anunnaki families in order to maintain the purity of the hybrid blood status.

The serpent bloodline interbred with Nordics, who carried the blonde and blue eyed traits. These Nordic features are for some
reason very desirable to the Serpent cultures and as legend goes ' to be descended from Noah' is a code for the illumanati bloodlines.

Enki is the cult of the serpent, the giver of knowledge, Satan, first born of god, Anu in this case. vilified by Enil and his clan throughout history.


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it's kinda funny it's called cult of the snake, when knowledge was procreation and snake was dna.