"Racism" is 100% natural, and is not evil. Homogenization is.

[Before commenting on the title, please actually read the thread]

"Racism" is a word kicked around a lot, that has expanded to mean just about anything that supports the preservation of a cultural identity at the exclusion of homogenizing it with another, some cultures more susceptible to branding than others. And everything demonized as "racist" has become synonymous with extreme evil, nazis, KKK, etc, which are totally inaccurate associations for the vast part. But at its very essence; at its very core, what most of Western society has now deemed "racist", is really just an extended instinct of self-preservation. Does not the self-preservation instinct extend beyond the proper functioning of ones own physical body into more abstract things like culture and society, making it only natural for a people to want to maintain their unique cultural identity as an extension of themselves?

We associate our own personal individualities with more than just the clothing we wear and the car we drive. Enmeshed in our individualities is the culture that we were brought up in, the culture that we currently live in, and the culture of our ancestors that proceeded us. Our beings extend beyond our mortal shell; they are linked inextricably with the abstracts of society and culture both past, present and future, their traditions, and their histories.

To deny the instinct of self-preservation is glorified nowadays, and if a person dares have pride in their unique culture and resists modern societies demand to conform their thoughts to the programmed social norm, they risk becoming a sort of outcast pariah; at least if they dared to openly tout an anti-homogenization viewpoint for any reason whatsoever.

It seems that it is wrong now to wish for that piece of yourself; that piece that extends beyond your body; that piece of you that is intertwined with the history and traditions of your ancestors, to live on. You are a "racist" in the West if you wish to see your children carry on in the same cultural vein that you are a part of, and God forbid you desire them to look like you too. Then youre not just a racist, but a nazi-eugenicist-facist-pig-supremicist-murderer-something-something-racist.

"Racism" colloquially is the now demonized self-preservation instinct that every single animal on the planet has. Humanity has formed extensions of itself and the expression of these extensions is what we call culture; thus the desire to preserve these unique cultures by their adherents is completely natural.

Every unique race, culture, and every peoples histories is worthy of preservation. One of the few things I do enjoy about humanity, is its diversity and uniqueness among its different peoples. Every culture is a facet of humanity expressing itself, and any facet destroyed is both a tragedy and an irrecoverable loss that weakens humanity collectively.

The instinct to continue the culture in which you are part of is NOT synonymous with hate, is NOT mutually inclusive with lusting for the genocide of other cultures, and is NOT a wicked, vile thing that must be bred and brainwashed out of humanity as TPTB are, IMO, actively attempting, especially through the education system with younger people (see California for prime examples in principle). By creating a cultureless people with no history and no identity (or only an identity defined solely by TPTB), humanity is easily divided and broken in spirit. Peoples derive great power from their cultures; a cultureless people are easily fractured and conquered. Culture invisibly binds a people together, and allows them to be part of something greater than themselves; individuals, yet still part of the whole. Both culture and individual are contained within each other.

The instinct to self-preserve oneself through not only body, but the culture in which they are, and are a part of, is not evil ("racist"), it is natural, and in fact gives humanity some of its greatest strength when solidity is needed.

Humanity does not have to homogenize to unite, either. A set of core principles can easily transcend and bind differing cultures while in no way destroying them. The Constitution in theory does this. So does the Bill of Rights. Both are transcultural, and I would even say protect cultures by giving individuals Freedom of Expression to maintain those cultures without being hassled, as long as they are not hassling others.

"Racism" is not the problem. Its now become a cliched catchphrase weapon; simply a tool used to destroy individuals/cultures in the West and disintegrate the solidity those cultures provide by convincing individuals one by one to abandon those cultures. Humanities problems are nihilistic psychopaths who have coagulated at the top of our societal power structures like a poisonous goo, oozing their toxicity downwards, diffusing it into the masses via media, education, etc. Humanities cultures must unite under a common banner of personal AND cultural individualism, and banish the spell cast upon it in recent decades that having pride in a cultural identity is an outdated evil and that we all must make it our goal to homogenize into a gigantic, amorphous tan blob of conformity with the only shade of a culture being one of mindless consumerism and the oppression of uniqueness.

In closing, wishing to preserve your own unique culture is 100% natural. I am NOT saying that it is wrong to mix cultures if it is agreed upon by the two people, cultures, nations, whatever, and is a mutually acceptable bond. What I am saying is wrong, is we being told its not OK to desire our individual cultural identities to persist into the future. What I am saying is wrong, is the active agenda to push for general homogenization among the Western cultures, and the demonization of naturally resisting. What I am saying is wrong, is to call someone a "racist" for wanting to preserve humanities diversity and protect the wonderful heritages of our peoples ancestors and not being satisfied relegating those heritages into the history books.

All races, cultures, colors, and creeds are precious. Wishing their annihilation through homogenization is akin to the insanity of wanting all the great paintings and works of art throughout the ages to be dissolved into a pot, obliterating their unique beauty forever.

True racism (notice no quotes) is advocating the demise of all cultural identities but one, no matter whether it be advocated actively through genocide and physical conquest, or passively through homogenization and mental conquest, both are two sides of the same diabolical coin.

Live and let live. Give others the freedom to live as you would want to have yourself, and embrace liberty for all. Celebrate and love your heritage, white, black, yellow, or red, Christian or Pagan, Viking or Egyptian or Scot or Moor or Jew, and dont let anyone ever tell you you are "racist" for doing so.

-Fin

Discrimination is NATURAL, racism is not. It is quite common, in every living thing, to discriminate, even animals. "Racism" is an emotionally derived personal decision one makes.

Don´t even have to read your post to know this to be true.
S+F for having the balls to post it. Prepare to get hammered though.

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I took the time to read your post and I think that everyone has a right to how they view others. It is when actions hurt others is where I draw the line. Because of my sometimes job....I get to travel to many places that are populated with people of all different Races, Faiths, Experiences, Opinions, Politics, Problems, Likes and Dislikes. In all this time...I find that the people who are not connected to any lifestyle driving Political or Religious doctrins....are VERY NICE PEOPLE.

Understand...when I say driving political or religious doctrins....I am not talking about someone who's religion has them praying umteen times a day or spends every waking moment rialed up in a political action group of whatever type of govermental system....good or bad percieved by these people....these things are not an issue. And these people are in the very nice catagory.

The Not So Nice or out right violent catagory is reserved for those who have been either taught or coerced by money, poverty, promises that will never be fullfilled or other means of control...that make them an outright threat.

I work with the Military on occasion and I could care less about a persons race or creed or favorite sports team...as long as they have my back...they are brothers...and sisters. If I ever get...and it is rare but it has happened twice...a person in our group who I feel is causeing teention within the group because of some preconcieved notion about either another person in the group or EVEN MORE DANGEROUS....a preconcieved idea about the people we are there to either help or end an issue.....I will remove them from the group as soon as possible.

So when I read this post of yours...although I would protect your right to post it....you would have to be removed from the group. Split Infinity

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You get a flag from me at least, and a star, too. I can still afford to do that, I think, because the racists and bigots of ATS haven't yet piled onto your thread and adopted you as one of their own. They will soon, though.

What you’re proposing is simply multiculturalism, the freedom to live your own life side by side with others, accepting theirs as they accept yours.

This approach to managing culturally heterogeneous societies was practised with considerable success throughout the British Empire and, of course, in Britain itself, where to a great extent it still is. It is the very opposite of the American melting-pot paradigm, which of course is what you mean when you speak of 'homogenization'.

If it can be made to work, it is the very best way.

Unfortunately it cannot be made to work unless an authoritative government with fairly coercive police powers is in place to

• keep feuding ethnic and sectarian groups from one another's throats
  
  
• prevent child marriages, honour killings, ritual slaughter of infant 'witches' and other barbaric practices imported into modern, pluralistic societies by immigrants from less advanced ones
  
  
• suppress fundamentalist terrorism.

Thus multiculturalism could never work in the United States with its weak central government. Britain, of course, has one of the most powerful governments of any democracy.

More generally, I think multiculturalism may be incompatible with the complex, highly structured nature of modern technological societies – although I'm not exactly sure why.

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Racism and xenophobia are certainly natural to humans, just as they are to all social primates. The rule for social animals appears to be 'love your neighbour as yourself in exact proportion to the genes you share' – so siblings and offspring are dearly loved and protected and encounters between total strangers are often fatal.

But in a crowded world of seven billion people we are all close neighbours, and we cannot afford to treat anyone as a stranger; the dangers are too great.

Also, the degree to which others are treated as fellow-members of the community is a key measure of how advanced a society is. Multiculturalism is certainly a better way to achieve this than homogenization; unfortunately it is a lot harder to achieve in practice, especially in democracies full of parochial-minded, intolerant voters. Democracy is not without its flaws, and this is one of them.

First I'll say that racism isn't natural and sometimes it can be evil...that said....

I do believe the push for diversity isn't really a push for diversity as much as it is a push for a mainstream ideal.

There seems to be a push for a standard skin and hair color. It's the tan look with light brown hair (see Beyonce). Lighter skinned women tend to tan and darker skin tend to use make-up to brighten their skin.

Originally posted by NeoVain
Don´t even have to read your post to know this to be true.
S+F for having the balls to post it. Prepare to get hammered though.

Hah, thanks I knew the flaming would be a risk. Though I hold out hope (sometimes it seems futily) that humanity can rise above its programming and lust for drama and just get along with each other, and as long as others are not harming them, accept their right to be who they are in peace.

Its a long shot... but Im an idealistic person, so cant help myself

Originally posted by Astyanax

You get a flag from me at least, and a star, too. I can still afford to do that, I think, because the racists and bigots of ATS haven't yet piled onto your thread and adopted you as one of their own. They will soon, though.

Hopefully that last paragraph about everyone living nicely and in peace will stave them off

Originally posted by Astyanax

What you’re proposing is simply multiculturalism, the freedom to live your own life side by side with others, accepting theirs as they accept yours.

I never thought about that, but I guess in its purest sense, it is a philosophy of multiculturalism. I didnt think about it, because "Multiculturalism" has its own connotations that deviate heavily from its literal meaning.

I do come from the American perspective as well. The melting pot phrase is apt. It really has stripped people of there cultures, and hasnt really replaced it with anything of substance (but perhaps that can only be a modern day interpretation). I feel I myself have no culture really. The "American culture", if it could be called a culture, seems to simply be one defined by consumerism and arrogance, which I cant accept.

Perhaps it was different long ago, though. I sense after WWII, things went down hill. I guess with the rise of the cold war and "capitalism must defeat communism!", came with it the brainless consumerism, and with "winning" the cold war, came the arrogance.

Originally posted by AstyanaxBut in a crowded world of seven billion people we are all close neighbours, and we cannot afford to treat anyone as a stranger; the dangers are too great.

Also, the degree to which others are treated as fellow-members of the community is a key measure of how advanced a society is. Multiculturalism is certainly a better way to achieve this than homogenization; unfortunately it is a lot harder to achieve in practice, especially in democracies full of parochial-minded, intolerant voters. Democracy is not without its flaws, and this is one of them.

Unfortunately, I believe no amount of governing nor laws nor rules nor punishments can force people to effectively simulate a multicultural philosophy in its pure form. The laws and governments dont need to change; the hearts and minds of men do.

A lot stems from fear, irrational or otherwise. And as that guy in Dune says: "Fear is the mind killer". As long as people allow themselves to succumb to their fears, nothing will change.

S & F, because even though I don't agree with Racism being no more 100% "natural" than say "slavery", your OP is still persuasive.

Racism is a form of discrimination that has always been justified under the pretense of superiority or inequality. Your analogy equating it to preserving a culture's art and history isn't fair because race has nothing to do with heritage, it is the simple ignorance of thinking one's physical differences characterizes their importance.

So to that effect, no I wouldn't say it is evil per se, but it's more so the potential animosity that kind of ignorance breads.

nm. Delete this post please.

Although I can respect your opinion (OP), and your desire to hang onto your 'unique' sense of culture, the logic by which you form your "'homogenization' is evil" argument completely ignores one very important factor:

Mankind began as one race, from one corner of the world.

The only reason we have different races and cultures is because Man spread to different geographical locations. That's it. That's all. So when you try to paint the picture that a 'melting pot' or 'mixture of races' (or 'homogenization') is 'evil', you are contradicting your reason for fighting to maintain your sense of identity through race. We began as one people. Why don't you see the 'splitting up' or 'loss' of that culture as evil? Is the loss of culture only 'evil' now that you've got your 'own culture' to identify with?

In my lifetime, I have hardly seen a push for everyone to be 'the same'. The push I've seen is for cultures to work in tandem with each other - to respect each others differences (where there are differences) and to form bonds with cultures that - while not exactly like one's own - are at least benign enough to relate to, on some level. I had this conversation with another 'national' (as most of you like to call yourselves), and they pretty much stated it the same way that you did - as an implication that separate cultures is just the way things area 'supposed to be', or that preserving 'culture' is an all-important issue (even though the 'SuperCulture' of man took precedent, in Africa; the cradle of all human life on this planet). But, no, of course that state of unity isn't what's important anymore. What's important to so many is to preserve these separatist ideals of "I'm not one of you. I'm one of THESE," instead of accepting the truth; that we are all cut from the same cloth.

Hell, why stop at race? Why not shun other people just because of their tastes in music, or what kind of car they drive? Why not 'preserve the culture of the golfer', and refuse to associate with anyone who doesn't like golf? These arbitrary attempts to 'identify yourself' as a different 'type' of person, simply because you have different interests or philosophies (or ethnicity) are of much less substance than most 'nationalists' (trying to keep from using the word 'racists' here, as not to seem like I'm attacking you) are willing to admit.

As about as natural as a steaming pile of you know what. Inherently evil...no...but it sure stinks up the place.

We came from one race and we will end (if we don't kill each other first) as one. Maybe then we can finally acknowledge that the only race that matters is the human race. Probably a bit to lovey, dovey and new agey to be accepted as fact in our current state of mind.

Imagine being able to be proud of ALL the rich cultures that exist or have existed. Now that would be a useful thread topic, I think. This one though

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Mankind may very well have started as a singular group of homogenized culture. However, like all forms of life, humanity has spread out and diversified itself into a plethora of different groups, all unique, and all worthy preservation.

Im not sure what you mean by most of "us" like to call ourselves "nationals" I generally call myself "me" or "I". Perhaps "Constitutionalist" at times.

In the vein of taking it to the extremes... imagine if there was only one kind of everything. ONE kind of car (make, model, and year), ONE blueprint for a house, ONE type of tree, ONE type of grass, ONE type of fish, ONE type of mammal, etc, etc.

Or we could go all the way and just go back to that hypothetical single cell that ALL life on Earth came from.

What a horrible stagnant hell that would be, if life never diversified itself and always remained exactly the same, never changing.

But thats not natures way. Natures way is to expand, become more complex, more diverse, and more UNIQUE as life goes on. Off shoots of culture work this same way, and thats totally fine that cultures have off shoots; in many ways, its like a culture having children. Like I said, there is nothing wrong with cultures mixing or adjusting themselves if it is mutually accepted by those in those cultures.

What I said was disagreeable, was having someone tell a person they are NOT allowed to want their own specific culture to thrive and expand, and being demonized for doing so by labelled "racist", when all they desire is to fulfill a natural instinct to preserve themselves in greater forms than their limited, physical body.

All life is precious, and most any form of life lost is a tragedy. It seems its OK in all peoples eyes for humans to want to preserve say, floral and faunal diversity, ecosystem diversity, etc, but God forbid they want to preserve human diversity or they are met with stern glares and thoughts of "she/he must be racist....".

Im not sure what you mean by most of "us" like to call ourselves "nationals" I generally call myself "me" or "I". Perhaps "Constitutionalist" at times.

I simply mean those that share the same viewpoint. In my experience, 'they' tend to call themselves 'nationalists'. If that's not a term you identify with, then that's fine. I simply used it because I found it relates to many of the people I've talked to on the subject.

In the vein of taking it to the extremes... imagine if there was only one kind of everything. ONE kind of car (make, model, and year), ONE blueprint for a house, ONE type of tree, ONE type of grass, ONE type of fish, ONE type of mammal, etc, etc.

Or we could go all the way and just go back to that hypothetical single cell that ALL life on Earth came from.

What a horrible stagnant hell that would be, if life never diversified itself and always remained exactly the same, never changing.

And imagine if everyone decided to go their own way? Imagine if there was no sense of unity? Imagine if everyone felt 'our way was the best way' or 'MY way is the best way.' We would be stuck with a world full of egotists, who feel that they have the edge - that their culture has the most to bring to the table. What a horrible, competitive, egocentric hell that would be, if cultures and demographics and different ideals refused to merge and adopt the finer points of one another. Extremes work both ways, my friend.

But thats not natures way. Natures way is to expand, become more complex, more diverse, and more UNIQUE as life goes on. Off shoots of culture work this same way, and thats totally fine that cultures have off shoots; in many ways, its like a culture having children.

This is an incomplete thought. Nature's way is also to Consolidate. It is to merge species with other species, when applicable. It is to merge ideas with other ideas (the foundation of creativity) and it is to blend different styles and approaches into uniformity (musicians call this 'jamming'). You should not try to limit the whole of nature by pretending that it is decidedly separatist, because it is simply not true.

Like I said, there is nothing wrong with cultures mixing or adjusting themselves if it is mutually accepted by those in those culture

I do agree with this.

What I said was disagreeable, was having someone tell a person they are NOT allowed to want their own specific culture to thrive and expand, and being demonized for doing so by labelled "racist", when all they desire is to fulfill a natural instinct to preserve themselves in greater forms than their limited, physical body.

How about preserving oneself through unifying ideals or philosophies? How about 'preserving oneself' through concepts like empathy and tolerance? How about preserving oneself through the ability to bridge gaps between cultures, and the drive for all mankind to love each other as brothers and sisters, unconditionally? If you grow up with a brother of a different race, who was adopted into your family while you were both 5 years old, would you bar that brother from participating in traditions specific to your own race? Would you refuse to partake in traditions specific to your brother's race, simply because you're trying to 'maintain your sense of identity?' I would hope that your answer is no. 'Racism', as you're using it, has very little to do with preserving any sense of identity because, odds are, the culture that you're defending is actually a sub-culture of a sub-culture. It is an arbitrary mixture of familiar concepts that simply landed on your face. So if your definition of 'preserving your identity' through your race includes the exclusion of other cultural values simply because they are different from yours - or the refusal to 'give and take' to/from others, simply because they're 'way' is different from the way your ancestors (whose traditions probably evolved from the influence of others, anyway) - then yes. I would say there is something more wrong with it than not.

All life is precious, and most any form of life lost is a tragedy. It seems its OK in all peoples eyes for humans to want to preserve say, floral and faunal diversity, ecosystem diversity, etc, but God forbid they want to preserve human diversity or they are met with stern glares and thoughts of "she/he must be racist....".

The preservation of floral and fauna diversity is a romantic concept invented by humans. It's not 'nature's way,' or we wouldn't have to be fighting for it. If someone believes that men and women should not share personal ideals or attitudes about certain things ('a man should act like ''this" and a woman should act like "this") then that person is sexist. Taking that into consideration, you can easily see why people make the 'racist' argument, when people are advocating that 'you stay on this side of that side of the racial divide, and I'll stay on this one.'

anti-racism is a code word for anti-White

I agree our diversity is both our strength and beauty. What has happened is that White/Protestant culture has been taught through the educational system to the be the scourge of other races/religions which has ingrained a response of guilt.
Our history is that of subjugation of the native populace and of slavery of blacks and indians. Fact is, every race/nation has practiced some form of violence towards others at some time in the past.
I agree with your post and find it refreshing to see such politically incorrect writing. I will not apologize for who I am or for whatever my ancestors may have done. Many of my family are descendants of Southerners who fought for the Confederacy. Celebrating my family past does not mean I condone slavery as many would assert. We all should be able to take pride in our ancestry wherever we came from. We can also learn from their mistakes.
I believe that White/Protestant culture has been purposefully torn down to leave the dominant and most numerous (not for long) group in America bereft of it's coherent influence and to further divide the population.
The real shame here is that our greatest achievments in Art, Music and Literature are no longer being used to educate and inspire our young while falling over ourselves trying to accommodate the wishes of a few.
Again, I don't feel we should exclude anyone in our educational system - we should learn about all cultures because each has something unique to bring to the table.
Blasting The Ride of the Valkyries from my car stereo does not make one a racist but it can sure get you some strange looks.

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i understand your point.. but its not wise to insult people just to get in the headlines...

u should not resort to sick word play and misinformation to get views..

I suggest you change your title to something more appropriate that gets your point across.. because insisting in one line that everyone is inherently racist is a horrible insult and throw civil right back decades

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[SNIP] really? [SNIP] real? [SNIP].. are you people ever going to get it.. as long as u entertain the idea of racism.. and call people racist and spreading that horribly misleading word around. u perpetuate a distinct cycle of misinformation and misled public opinion... i dont need people thinking for a second that my neighbors or country or even me.. belong to any such judgmental org or civilization...

Quit [SNIP] talking.. you speak for your country and show your ignorance.

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It is natural to preserve your identity, your culture. It's 100% natural to want to preserve your genes for future generations. Lions, dolphins, chimpanzees. No other continents in the world is being forced to destroy everything they built through immigration and multiculturalism. Just the west...

Our heritage (in Europe at least) spans back thousands of years. We have a rich cultural makeup which is slowly being destroyed by massive immigration. I'm not against immigration, I've been an immigrant at least once in my life (in the U.S.) and I believe that immigration is needed. But when you take hundreds of thousands of different cultures and mix them into an extremely small European country, all you're doing is destroying the host countries culture and the cultures that immigrate into that country.

Mass immigration IS cultural genocide.

Japan has said no to massive immigration, they're applauded for wanting to preserve their culture for future generations. If any European country would say no, they're demonized as being the next Nazi state.

This guy makes some very interesting videos on this subject

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