What is the philosophy of the animals?

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This "determination" it almost sounds like Optimism!


So Optimism and Instinct!

Or better said, maybe Optimism IS an instinct so that they can survive!

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I know how optimistic they all are when they hear the rustle of a paper bag - even the wild ones (squirrels)

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survival..............

Here is an article with surprising examples of animal morality - sometimes across species. I'll quote the example with rats, because most people (myself included) would not expect very nice behaviour from rats.

Experiments with rats have shown that they will not take food if they know their actions will cause pain to another rat. In lab tests, rats were given food which then caused a second group of rats to receive an electric shock.

The rats with the food stopped eating rather than see another rat receive a shock. Similarly, mice react more strongly to pain when they have seen another mouse in pain.

Recent research from Switzerland also showed that rats will help a rat, to which it is not related, to obtain food if they themselves have benefited from the charity of others. This reciprocity was thought to be restricted to primates.

and here is one showing cross species empathy:

In 2003, a herd of 11 elephants rescued antelope who were being held inside an enclosure in KwaZula-Natal, South Africa.

The matriarch unfastened all of the metal latches holding the gates closed and swung the entrance open allowing the antelope to escape.

This is thought to be a rare example of animals showing empathy for members of another species – a trait previously thought to be the exclusive preserve of mankind.

Animal Morality

reply to post by cloudyday

Fascinating! Reminds me of the few dog stories, where they attempted to rescue or provide solace to another dead dog.

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Very Interesting question!

It’s hard to know for sure which philosophy if any our animals subscribe to. However my best guess is that pack animals such as wolves, deer, flocks of birds, and even honey bees are likely not distinctly individualistic like most people are. (Particularly people in Western society)

In other words, I think they might share more of a “group consciousness” rather than an “individual consciousness.” And so their lives might be spent trying to better their group rather than just themselves.

Whereas animals that are more solitary in nature or animals that have been taken out of their natural habitat and given extra attention (For example our pets) might end up developing a more distinct individualistic personality.

In a book I read on reincarnation, one of the subjects under regression hypnosis mentioned that many of us have had lives as animals. In one of her lives, she described what it was like to be an ant. And she said that while she was an ant, she really didn’t have an individual consciousness. She identified herself as part of a “group of ants” and she spent a very busy life working for the group. (as did all the ants)

In addition to life as an ant, she described what is was like to be a water creature (possibly a dolphin or a whale but she wasn’t sure) and it sounded like this was a life of pure bliss --- a life where she ate, swam and played and just enjoyed life. (That is until she was killed by another creature) While she was a water creature, she didn’t really have a thought out philosophy of how she wanted to live her life, rather she just lived and enjoyed each day.

Another interesting tidbit that I remember is that when we reincarnate --- we very seldom will go backward through the evolutionary chain. (Ie. We won’t go from a life as a human being to say a life as a house fly) And according to the same book, apparently when animals are shown love and are made to feel extra special --- we are actually aiding in their “spiritual” development. And so possibly in their next life or so they might be ready to become human. (though it could be argued that being a “human” is not necessarily the “apex” of evolutionary development)

So please take the above with a grain of salt I have no idea if it’s true --- but I think it’s an interesting theory.

I postulate that animals follow the philosophy of conscious awareness, and mindfulness of the present moment.

Animals know things before they occur, such as death and natural disasters. They have heightened senses and large sensory receptors. They can perceive frequencies of color, sound, magnetism, and energy that we can not. This seems to be evident of an increased discipline of conscious awareness. They are extremely aware of existence.

Animals appear to be only concerned with the present moment. Not fear, worry, or uncertainty of the future. Not regret or nostalgia of the past. They wake up, eat, play, sleep. They engage in all things of the moment of 'now'.

Eat
Sex
Sleep
Survive

Usually, but not necessarily in that order.

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Animal Morality huh?...

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So as a dolphin she just went with the flow and had a blissful life? Where does love fit in with going with the flow? Sometimes instincts aren't exactly "loving"

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Bhuta (Sanskrit) Bhūta [from the verbal root bhū to be, become] Has been; as an adjective become, been gone; as a noun, that which is or exists, any living being; entities that have lived and passed on. Applied specifically to “spooks, ghosts, simulacra, the reliquiae, of dead men; in other words, the astral dregs and remnants of human beings. They are the ‘shades’ of the ancients, the pale and ghostly phantoms living in the astral world, or the astral copies of the men that were; and the distinction between the bhuta and the kama-rupa is very slight.
“Bereft of all that pertains to the real entity, the genuine man, the bhuta is as much a corpse in the astral realms as is the decaying physical body left behind at physical death; and consequently, astral or psychical intercourse of any kind with these shells is productive only of evil. The bhutas, although belonging in the astral world, are magnetically attracted to physical localities similar in type to the remnants of impulses still inhering in them. The bhuta of a drunkard is attracted to wine-cellars and taverns; the bhuta of one who has lived a lewd life is attracted to localities sympathetic to it; the thin and tenuous bhuta of a good man is similarly attracted to less obnoxious and evil places” (OG 17-18). ...............

Blavatsky also speaks of primitive humanity as relatively intellectually senseless bhutas or phantoms: “the word in India now means ghosts, ethereal or astral phantoms, while in esoteric teaching it means elementary substances, something made of attenuated, non-compound essence, and, specifically, the astral double of any man or animal. In this case these primitive men are the doubles of the first ethereal Dhyanis or Pitris” (SD 2:102n).

From another standpoint, bhuta applies in a general way to reproductions in a new existence of entities which “have been” in a former existence. This is the reason cosmic elements are occasionally called bhutas in their connection with the various tattvas, because the elements in any one manvantara are the derivatives or reproductions, and therefore the bhutas, of the same elements in the previous manvantara.

Bhutas are also rudimentary substances or elements. The Vendantists and Sankhyas, when speaking of the six original producers or elements of nature, called them bhutas or prakritis. These are the bases of objective nature, the vehicular or substantial side of the tattvas (the principles of nature) and therefore inseparable from them. The ancients always reckoned four elements, and sometimes five, and called them aether, fire, air, water, and earth. But esoterically there are seven: adi-bhuta (the primordial), anupapadaka-bhuta (the unevolved or parentless), akasa-bhuta (aether), taijasa-bhuta (fire), vayu-bhuta (air), apas-bhuta (water), and prithivi-bhuta (earth). These cosmic elements are not the familiar things which we know under these names, for the familiar physical substances were taken as symbols, through certain appropriate qualities which they possess, of the actual elements of cosmic being. These familiar physical substances of earth, water, air, and fire are the correspondences on earth, in a mystic sense, of the true cosmic elements.

“It is likewise the old Stoic doctrine, that the elements give birth one to another. Manifestation begins on the spiritual plane, and as the life impulses reach forth into grosser forms, into matter . . . the succeeding elements (bases, rudiments) are born, each one from the preceding one, and from all preceding ones. For instance, earth is born not merely from the element water, but likewise from fire, and air. Furthermore, the seven rounds of a planetary chain, the seven globes of a planetary chain, and the seven root-races of any globe thereof, has each its predominating correspondence with one of these seven elements” (Fund 348)......

Bhutadi (Sanskrit) Bhūtādi [from bhūta cosmic element from the verbal root bhū to be, become + ādi primordial] Original or evolving source of all beings; applied to the supreme hierarch of our hierarchy: the supreme spirit, mahapurusha, or cosmic Brahma. In a more limited sense, applied in the Sankhya philosophy to the cosmic ahamkara (the producer of egos, hence the former of individualities), the source whence the elements are evolved or derived. Thus it “precedes Bhuta-sarga— the ‘creation’ or differentiation of those Elements in primordial ‘Akasa’ (Chaos or Vacuity)” (SD 1:452).


Bhutalipi (Sanskrit) Bhūtalipi “Writing of the elements;” an alphalet concerning the evolution of elements (BCW 5:306).

Bhutasarga (Sanskrit) Bhūtasarga [from bhūta has been + sarga creation, production] Elemental creation; the second of the seven creations or emanations, popularly given in the Hindu Puranas as mahat-tattva, bhutasarga, indriya or aindriyaka, mukhya, tai

Adi

Principium (Latin) Beginning, first or primordial principle.
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Precipitation A process essentially founded in the formation of a visual image of some object in the mind, and the transferring of that image in visible form to some receptacle, such as paper. Usually used in theosophical history in reference to the precipitation of writing in messages from the Masters. The messages were transmitted by will power as mental pictures to a chela at a distance; and the chela receiving these telepathic impacts or mental images, understood them in whole or in part, according to his skill, and then and there, either himself wrote down the message thus received for transmission to the addressee, or if a chela of advanced degree, materialized them into visible writing. Usually the messages thus mentally received were written down by the chela, and often in a handwriting closely similar to that of the Master, and then the message was transferred through the mail or otherwise to the addressee.

A mental image is a reality, and in materializing it the operator merely copies natural processes, since everything in the physical world is a materialization of something in the inner worlds working through the astral world into the physical. It is done by the use of psychic or psychophysiological faculties which have to be acquired by training, for even in the cases of those born with these powers, they exist because of training in previous lives. Some spiritistic mediums instinctively possess the power of precipitation, but use it ignorant of its causes and rationale, and hence without conscious control. Were the adept or mahatma himself to employ precipitation for the conveying of intelligence to others, something which is very rarely done, the precipitation would be achieved by the will of the adept gathering astral and ethereal substance from the surrounding atmosphere by the power of his will and condensing it onto the paper.

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Primordial Matter. See PRIMEVAL MATTER

Primordial Point, First Point A widespread idea, notably mentioned in the Hebrew Qabbalah, which postulates that when the Concealed of the Concealed wished to manifest itself, it did so by first making a point which became the first Sephirah, Kether the Crown. From this primordial point all invisible and visible celestial bodies came into being. This point is commonly represented in archaic symbology by a point within a circle, the circle representing the expanse of the spatial deeps of a hierarchy entering manvantara, and the point in the center of the circle representing the awakening into such manvantaric manifestation of the Monas monadum or monad of monads of that hierarchy, otherwise called the unmanifest or First Logos.

The Orphic cosmogony has a similar idea: Phanes (First or unmanifest Logos), Chaos (considered feminine because the container; the manifest-unmanifest or Second Logos); and Chronos (the actively creative or Third Logos) are the three cooperating principles, one in essence, which emanate from the Concealed Point, a mathematical center of boundless space (Hindu parabrahman, Hebrew eyn soph), and through their interaction the work of emanation proceeds.

In the mythos of the Hindu emanator, Brahma is represented as evolved as and from a lotus which grows out of the navel of Vishnu the sustainer. The dual divinity rests on the waters of space with Ananta-Sesha — the serpent of infinity — which can also be read as the unmanifested coils of cyclic time. It is “the most graphic allegory ever made: the Universe evolving from the central Sun, the point, the ever-concealed germ” (SD 1:379). Blavatsky defines the term as “Metaphysically the first point of manifestation, the germ of primeval differentiation, or the point in the infinite Circle ‘whose centre is everywhere, and circumference nowhere.’ The point is the Logos” (TG 119).

Primordial Water Chaos, “the great green one,” the Egyptian Nu, the waters of space; a graphic descriptive term of cosmic space before manvantara begins.

Primum Mobile (Latin) The first movable, signifying the first or original movement or motion; the tenth and outermost of the crystalline spheres which surround the earth in the Ptolemaic cosmic system — a system common to nearly all the peoples surrounding the Mediterranean Sea, and which Ptolemy copied in his own cosmographic description. It answers to Plato’s and Aristotle’s aeikinetos (the evermoving), that which is perpetually in motion; but beyond this, Aristotle and Plato have an “unmoving motion,” the inherent motion or life and intelligence of boundless space, comparable to the svabhavat of Mahayana Buddhism, which as the cosmic womb of all hierarchies in being, and as their periodic producer, seems to answer to the arche kineseos (beginning or origin of motion), the nous of Anaxagoras (Key sec 6).

According to the popular enumeration of the crystalline spheres, they begin with the first sphere surrounding the earth, and count outwards towards the fixed stars and the vastness beyond; but it would perhaps be better to invert this system of counting, making the primum mobile, or the first movement of a system, the originator, and all within it its descending scale of enumerated spheres.

Principes (Latin) Chiefs; an order of genii or Sons of Light in the Codex Nazaraeus.


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What does this has to do with the philosophy that animals hold.


It sounds like just came here to promote your beliefs on God or Soul this has nothing to do with the philosophy that the animals hold...

46. After this first stage of animal life, comes a spell as creatures that live much in the trees, ...
32. When we turn to the mineral kingdom, we are among those some of whom will become men on the Moon Chain, and some on the Earth Chain. The consciousness asleep in these minerals is to awaken gradually and to unfold through long stages into the human.
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29. All stages of ego-hood appear to be present on this Chain, but the absence of the lower levels of matter to which we are accustomed makes one notable difference in the evolutionary method that strikes the observer: everything not only starts but also progresses ` above,' there being no below and no ` forms' in the ordinary sense of the word, but only centres of life, beings without stable forms; there are no physical and emotional worlds-- in the first three globes not even a lower mental-- from which impulses can surge upwards, calling down the higher in response to ensoul and use the forms already existing on the lower levels. The nearest approach to such action is on globe D, where the animal-like thought-forms reach upwards attracting the attention of the subtle centres floating above them; then more of the life of the Spirit pulses out into the centres, and they anchor themselves to the thought-forms and ensoul them, and the thought-forms become human.

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What does this has to do with the philosophy that animals hold.

It sounds like just came here to promote your beliefs on God or Soul this has nothing to do with the philosophy that the animals hold...

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What is Pralaya?

A) Pralaya is the process of destruction of “body” and other created “objects” and collection of the results of the Karmas accumulated by those bodies.

Q) When does Manvantara Pralaya take place?

A) In each day of Lord Brahma, 14 “Manus” rule. At the end of the rule of each Manu, Manvantara Pralaya occurs.
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prāti-kūlika [ prAtikUlika ]
mf ( ī ) n. ( fr. -kūla ) opposed to, contrary

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15 Manus of Śveta Vārāha Kalpa

Each Manu rules during an eon called a Manvantara. The Puranas ascribe to each Manvantara one Indra, one Vishnu avatar, etc.[2] "During the hundred years of Brahmā's life, there are 504,000 manvantara–avatars"(Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 20.322)[3] 15 Manus of the present Śveta Vārāha Kalpa are
1.Svayambhuva Manu
2.Svarocisa Manu
3.Auttami
4.Tamasa Manu
5.Raivata Manu
6.Caksusa Manu
7.Sraddhadeva Manu or Vaivasvata Manu [4]
8.Savarni Manu
9.Daksa Savarni Manu
10.Brahma Savarni Manu
11.Dharma Savarni Manu
12.Rudra Savarni Manu
13.Raucya
14.Bhauta
15.Vasile Manu
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87. Normally, a man is free to leave a Chain-- unless dropped out as temporarily hopeless-- only when he has reached the level appointed for the humanity evolved on the Chain. That level in the Moon Chain, we have already seen, was equivalent to that which we now call the fourth, or Arhat, Initiation. But we found, much to our surprise, that, on the seventh Round, groups of emigrants departed from globes A, B and C, while the huge mass of the population of globe D left the Moon Chain finally as the life-wave quitted that globe to roll onwards to globe E. Only a comparatively small number remained behind to carry on their evolution on the three remaining globes, and of these some departed finally from the Chain as each globe dropped into inactivity.

88. It appears that, in a seventh Round, the mighty Being to whom has been given the title of the ` Seed-Manu of a Chain' takes into His charge the humanity and lower forms of living beings which have been evolving thereon. A Chain Seed-Manu gathers up into Himself, takes within His mighty far-reaching aura, all these results of the evolutions on the Chain, transporting them into the Inter-Chain sphere, the Nirvana for the inhabitants of the dying Chain, nourishing them within Himself, and finally handing them over at the appointed time to the Root-Manu of the next Chain, who, following out the plan of the Seed-Manu, determines the times and places of their introduction into His kingdom.


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199. Ship-loads of egos continued to arrive, and the main cause of separation seemed to be the method of individualisation. Egos of all Rays, or temperaments, of similar general development were mixed up, but those of different intervals between re-births were not. Nor was there any mingling of the large classes of the Moon-Men and Animal-Men. Unless an individual had been taken through the Inner Round, and had undergone its special forcing, when he passed into the class ahead of him, the broad lines of distinction remained, and one class did not overtake another. Even when the Basket-works had completed their causal bodies, the basket origin remained discernible.

200. The first ship-load containing the 700-year group arrived on Earth about 600,000 B.C. , some 250,000 years after the first great cataclysm which rent the continent of Atlantis. With it came the future Masters, ..................Text .....Text


205. Coming down to 220,000 B.C. , to the City of the Golden Gates, .......................Text

206. There was quite a gathering of the Clan at this time. The Crown Prince was then Vajra, and Ulysses, ..................Text

461. CHAPTER XIV

462. BEGINNINGS OF THE FIFTH ROOT RACE

463. THE statement in The Secret Doctrine that the fifth Root Race began one million years ago appears, as already stated, to refer to the beginning of the choosing of materials by the Lord Vaivasvata, the Race Manu. He was a Lord of the Moon.......................

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You are telling me about the beliefs you have ABOUT animals. I'm asking what is the philosophy of the animals. What philosophy do they live by? What is going on in THEIR mind?

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You are telling me about the beliefs you have ABOUT animals. I'm asking what is the philosophy of the animals. What philosophy do they live by? What is going on in THEIR mind?

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So are you saying that they do not have minds and it is all us? Every living being has a mind obviously. Unless you believe that even humans don't have minds except for yourself..

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Simple answer to your question would be!


Eat or be Eaten!!