The US was looking for Uranium and Spun Iran's rescue...SOmali Pirates are no less than we...

Please read this...If I was Somali, I would be a pirate too....Iran, fisherman, I don;t think so...Iran's been doing what with uranium to them since when???2000 and what?
proof!!!
THeu US was looking fo rUranium!!!!

In the latter part of the 1990s, Somali people began to get sick. It was isolated at first -- skin rashes, some hair falling out, bleeding of the gums, diarrhea... and it came and went. Some people thought it could have been the fish or the water, but no one really could focus on the cause. Then, on Christmas day of 2004, it all became clea

Fish is what many of us have questioned. Actually, why peaceful fisherman? I mean wasn't Jesus a fisherman of men? (spin)
First time exposure? Yellow brick road?

hat? You never heard of this before? Humans are an amazing species. We are capable of the best and worst. At best we can survive and struggle against almost anything to ensure our survival. The Somali people did. Faced with no government to protect them from the pollution of their ocean, and the depletion of their only source of food, they organized against the dumping. They organized locally in tribes, and the tribes organized clans. With no coast guard, the Somali fishermen tried to thwart off the huge ships that were dumping uranium, mercury, lead, medical waste and other toxins on their food supply and livelihood. They knew their small effort would have little effect on the huge dumping companies... but maybe if the world knew... maybe the world would stop them.

"European ships have been looting Somaia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed out own fish stocks by over-exploitation ñ and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300 million worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somaliaís unprotected seas."

Protecting their shores? Really not pirates? whaaaa...?

Ex-Somali Army Colonel Mohammed Nureh Abdulle lives in Haradhere ñ the town in the center of the pirate community. In a BBC interview he said, "The town's residents are more concerned with the dumping of toxic waste than piracy... this dumping has been going on for a very long time. In 1991 the government collapsed in this African Nation and certain large corporations took advantage of this. European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping thousands of barrels of toxic waste into the ocean. The coastal population began to get sick. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies and many other symptoms but lacking proper medical attention much was overlooked. Then after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness and more than 300 died.

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In August of 2008, a group of about 40 Somalis attacked and seized an Iranian cargo ship, the Dyanat and took it to the port of Eyl. There it was secured by a larger group of about 100 Somalis. Within days of securing the ship, those Somalis that had been on board and inspected the cargo began to develop strange health problems. They had strange skin burns, loss of hair, nausea... and a number of men died. The actual cargo containers were securely locked and the crew claimed they did not have the access codes to open them. At first the captain said the containers contained "crude oil" but later admitted they were carrying "minerals." After a week the ransom was paid and the ship continued. Many believe it contained radioactive waste that would have been dumped had the Somaliís not intervened

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You might want to edit that OP post to include some excerpts, this is actually a really good read, but you won´t get many viewers like that.

This info needs to be spread badly.

Most of you have already heard about the Somali pirates. Just recently they captured an American cargo ship and held the captain hostage. They have done this to many other vessels from a variety of different countries. In fact, the American captain was lucky -- he escaped, with the help of some sharp-shooter Navy Seals -- but hundreds of international sailors and crew are still being held by Somali pirates who seek millions of dollars for their safe return, and the safe return of their ships. You know all this already, though. And you probably think it's just one more evil group of people trying to get rich quick. You probably even think we should just kill them all or find their Somali-based camp and wipe it out and be done with it. But there's another side of this story you haven't been told. And when you hear it, you might just change your opinion of what's been going on.

In the mid-90s, a Swiss firm, Achair Partners, and an Italian company, Progresso, offered their quick toxic waste disposal services to a host of European nations. The waste was loaded on to their ships and sailed away. Oh yes, there was talk and plans were made for giant incinerators to neutralize the poisons. It was all supposed to be ecological. But none of the contractors -- mostly European nations -- bothered much to check that out. Yes, the waste was loaded on to their ships and sailed away... only to be dumped in the shallow ocean off Somalia.

Somali "pirate" leader, Januna Ali Jama, has clearly stated that their actions against foreign ships are aimed at stopping the dumping of toxic wastes. He said, "We are reacting to the toxic waste that has been continually dumped on the shores of our country for nearly 20 years. The Somali coastline has been destroyed. We believe this money is nothing compared to the devastation that we have seen on the seas."

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Suggestions?

This was covered pretty in depth two years ago here on ATS:
ATS thread

Probably a good time to revisit this topic.

With that being said, I do not condone either side in this matter. but piracy is never the answer.

What I dont understand is how we make the connection from the article in the OP and the US looking for uranium. Especially not from this article, which, although no dateline i published, is dated from the fact that it name David Miliband as the foreign minister, but he has been out of office since 2010.

With a little more research, the almost identical article appears here frm Dec 1 2008.
Blackstarnews

If proof that these articles have a connection to the recent news, I am all ears and would love to see it.

I'm not sure I follow how you're presenting the story....that's okay, because the topic is very interesting....Somali pirates may be defending their country from hazardous waste being dumped off their coast....looked up on search on ATS and there are numerous stories about European countries dumping medical waste and radioactive waste off the Somali coast from 2009 on. How can governments and corporations be so blatantly ignorant....oh ya, they're saving a lot of money this way!!

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See what i did in my original post? move those excerpts up to your post.

The Somalis hijack small sailboats abd kill their occupants because they are dumping toxic wastes? Right.

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I won't call you a troll your post did that.
Dispute my claim with a source backing the killings on small boats or forever hold yourself silent. No CNN, FOX, MSNBC, et al..

I get that the Somalias are pissed about people dumping the toxins near them, but not getting your title?

How is the US connected, or how/why are they looking for uranium?

Originally posted by sirjunlegun

Dispute my claim with a source backing the killings on small boats or forever hold yourself silent. No CNN, FOX, MSNBC, et al..

Disputing a claim would be much easier if it was backed up by something, your article, although a compelling read and informative to what many people may be unaware, does not back up your claim.

Please provide something substantial connecting the US looking for uranium and the dumping.

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You are right...but like the age-old song.....time will tell

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somali piracy is a desperate last ditch effort at survival against western genocide

JOURNAL: A Global to Local to Global Criminal Example

Nice tersely worded example on how predation by the global economic system helped drive Somali piracy. From David Axe: www.warisboring.com...

Recall that Somali piracy has its roots in the 1990s, when the collapse of the Somali government threw open the doors to major foreign fishing companies to illegally enter Somali waters and fish out all the tuna, which once comprised one of Somalia’s major commodities. The first Somali pirates were fishermen who decided to render a “fine” on any boats they found illegaly fishing Somali waters. Well, guess what. Piracy has effectively cut in half tuna hauls for major foreign fishing companies working near Somalia, according to Warships International Fleet Review. Today piracy is essentially organized crime, at sea. But the piracy mafia has inadvertently accomplished what the original pirates set out to do. Somali pirates have every reason to be proud. Whether on purpose or not, they have defended their waters while evading the combined might of the world’s navies.

Technology driven connectivity makes it possible for these "remote" groups to take the fight back to the global system. Remember, in a flat globalized world, everyone is in competition with everyone else. There aren't any meaningful barriers. We are going to see this dynamic again and again...

If you find yourself alone and naked in a global gun fight -- tribe up!

source: globalguerrillas.typepad.com...


JOURNAL: Guerrilla Entrepreneurs take to the seas
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Some thinking on Somali pirates:

Seal snipers took out three Somali pirates and freed an American hostage held in a lifeboat. What's interesting to me is the decision making process used to resolve this minor problem. Here are some of the aspects. Firstly, there was a timer on the hostage stand-off. Other pirate groups/ships (an open source insurgency with commercial drivers) were en route to surround the lifeboat or take control of the hostages. Secondly, this minor decision involved a highly centralized decision making loop that included the President, the Commander of CENTCOM, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the DoJ, and the White House/NSC -- just to pull the trigger on three kidnappers holding a hostage at gunpoint. Lastly, one of the biggest fears of the US government is that these pirates would be arrested. Why? Since Somalia is a mess, they would become wards of the US, likely suffer only minimal jail time, and eventually end up applying for US citizenship.
The symbiosis between private insurance and privateering dominates. If the company that owned the rescued ship wasn't a US defense contractor, its kidnapping insurance company (likely Lloyds) and its designated crisis representatives (likely Control Risks Group) would have negotiated to pay the pirate's fee to get the hostage back -- as are thousands of kidnappings from Mexico to Colombia to Nigeria to the Gulf of Aden are settled every year. Somali pirates have made tens of millions this way already. Further, in many parts of the world, kidnappers are almost never caught/killed (

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

those iranian fishermen were there to to loot
the us was merely helping out fellow crooks

If the fisherman were held captive in the Gulf of Aden maybe, or perhaps the west Arabian sea or North Indian.
This is not the case however, the situation occurred in the North Arabian sea.

Business Week

I understand the plight of the Somali people, they have been kicked and downtrodden for way to long, but this simply is not an example of protecting oneself. It is an example of aggression and perhaps even greed, from reading the article that you provided.

lol.


You think the United States Government was dumping Uranium in the ocean?


This isn't Russia.... We clean up after ourselves. **Unless its Oil**



Also, Piracy isn't a new crime. The punishment has always been Harsh, always been Death.


If You pirate American Ships, you will pay with your Life.

We gotta stick to that moto, or else everyone would start looting our ships!

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You think the United States Government was dumping Uranium in the ocean?

no silly, toxic waste

piracy was used as a tool by the europeans many times, they were known as privateers, and these guys had charters from the king

and as for paying for attacking american ships, tell it to the USS Liberty

Originally posted by youdidntseeme

I understand the plight of the Somali people, they have been kicked and downtrodden for way to long, but this simply is not an example of protecting oneself. It is an example of aggression and perhaps even greed, from reading the article that you provided.

but this simply is not an example of protecting oneself.

why not come out and say it: what you mean is that this is not acceptable to you

Focus on the critical sentence: "Yet, when a victim explodes or acts out in unacceptable ways, these same officials are shocked and indignant."

What exactly are these "unacceptable ways" of exploding or acting out? Who decided they were "unacceptable"? Why is it that "reluctant school officials" will not "take definitive action" against the bullies -- thus tacitly conceding that the bullying itself is not all that "unacceptable" -- while the same officials are "shocked and indignant" when the victim protests too strongly?

This pattern, and certain of its origins, will be found throughout history, in every culture around the world. The pattern is a simple and deadly one: the oppressor -- that is, those who are in the superior position, whether they are parents, school officials, or the government, or in a superior position merely by virtue of physical strength -- may inflict bodily harm and/or grievous, lifelong emotional and psychological injury, but the victim may only protest within the limits set by the oppressor himself. The oppressor will determine those forms of protest by the victim that are "acceptable."

You see this pattern with regard to many helpless, lonely children in addition to Billy Wolfe...
The oppressor may inflict unimaginable cruelties on innocent victims -- but the victims may only protest in ways which the oppressor deems "acceptable." The profound injustice is obvious, but not in itself remarkable or unexpected: this is how oppression operates. But ask yourself about the deeper reason for the prohibition. This is of the greatest importance: the victims may only protest within a constricted range of "permissible" behavior because, when they exceed the prescribed limits, they make the oppressors too uncomfortable. They force the oppressors to confront the nature of what they, the oppressors, have done in ways that the oppressors do not choose to face.

Take some time to appreciate the unfathomable cruelty of this pattern. You may be grievously harmed and even permanently damaged by the actions of those who hold unanswerable power -- but you may only speak about this evil and its effects within the very narrow limits set by those who would destroy you. If you are killed, the identical prohibitions apply to those who still manage to survive and who would protest the unforgivable crime committed against you. In this manner, the complacency and comfort of those who possess immense power and wealth are underwritten by the silence forced upon their victims. The victims may speak and even protest, but only within severely circumscribed limits, and only so long as their rulers are not made to feel too uncomfortable, or too guilty. Anything which approaches too close to the truth is strictly forbidden.

Memo to the Victims: You Yourselves Will Pay for the Crimes of the Ruling Class
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here's a thread on cognitive distortion as well, as judging from your reply, you only saw what you wanted to see
Cognitive Distortion
www.abovetopsecret.com...