Now what a story this is! ..what a doctor said infront of an abortion

Hi..

i encountered this short story and wanted to share with you :

A worried woman went to her gynecologist and said:

'Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your help! My baby is not even 1 year old and I'm pregnant again. I don't want kids so close together.'

So the doctor said: 'Ok and what do you want me to do?'

She said: 'I want you to end my pregnancy, and I'm counting on your help with this.'

The doctor thought for a little, and after some silence he said to the lady: 'I think I have a better solution for your problem. It's less dangerous for you too.'

She smiled, thinking that the doctor was going to accept her request.

Then he continued: 'You see, in order for you not to have to take care of 2 babies at the same time, let's kill the one in your arms. This way, you could rest some before the other one is born. If we're going to kill one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is. There would be no risk for your body if you chose the one in your arms.'

The lady was horrified and said: 'No doctor! How terrible! It's a crime to kill a child!'

'I agree', the doctor replied. 'But you seemed to be OK with it, so I thought maybe that was the best solution.'

The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point.

He convinced the mom that there is no difference in killing a child that's already been born and one that's still in the womb. The crime is the same!

Ok im sorry but i guess i have issues with this... a womans body is hers and hers alone. I have had three wonderful children and i know i would never have aborted them. But i also believe a woman has the right to choose her fate. I do understand the fact that a baby once conceived is alive. But knowing that there is alot of different reasons that a woman could or would want to terminate that said pregnancy is her CHOICE. I would never dictate to anyone that wanted to have a tattoo or plastic surgery, to have a cancer removed or life threatening surgery..Your body belongs to you... only you have that choice to do what you will with it.

Does this mean, that when people practice safe sex for example... I kill millions of 'half' babies?

Until the 'baby' is more than organised cells, I don't believe it constitutes as a full human lifeform. When you wash your face, you're killing millions of germs. Those too are only organised cells. But you don't worry about that I'm sure.

When you get a cold and your body fights off the germs, your body is killing millions of germ cells and yet I'm sure you feel good once you've gotten over a cold.

You'll probably say, that the germs cannot grow into a sentient lifeform though. That's okay though, let use this example.

Are you vegetarian? If not, then you don't mind having sentient, self-aware animals being killed so you can eat. If you are vegetarian, then you probably don't think like this when you kill a wasp or a other insects.

Ultimately, regardless of your beliefs... we're all hypocrites at some point along the line, so we just have to deal with it.

reply to post by heineken


What a propaganda joke, you just nailed my friend, perhaps if we just put plug on all women's reproductive organs we may end abortion just the same.

Or perhaps let castrate all males in the nation, or just milk them for their sperm cells after all women do not need males to get pregnant. right? I am right or not.

reply to post by marg6043


hey hey hey... easy with the castration talk... some of us un-needed males are on your side... so step away from the hedge clippers please...

As far as I'm concerned this issue never get's past "it's their body". I refuse to even try to tell them what to do with it.

reply to post by Resinveins


is a joke my friend just like the propaganda the OP is trying to bring using it like it was a joke, trust me I love my husband with all his part intact.

reply to post by Natame


Okay. Did you read the OP? You might have missed the point.

Originally posted by Super64PR
Does this mean, that when people practice safe sex for example... I kill millions of 'half' babies?

Begging the question. Take a minute to study the basics of reproduction, friend. Life begins at conception, when two gametes fuse to become a new organism. Thus, you cannot kill a million 'half' babies, because they are not 'babies' to begin with.

Until the 'baby' is more than organised cells, I don't believe it constitutes as a full human lifeform. When you wash your face, you're killing millions of germs. Those too are only organised cells. But you don't worry about that I'm sure.

Yet the "organised cells" that the baby is (you said baby, which implies conception has taken place), will continue on to grow into whatever you consider a 'full human lifeform'.

When one washes their face, they do not murder potentially millions of 'full grown lifeforms', only bacteria, which will never become a thinking, sentient* individual.

When you get a cold and your body fights off the germs, your body is killing millions of germ cells and yet I'm sure you feel good once you've gotten over a cold.

You'll probably say, that the germs cannot grow into a sentient lifeform though. That's okay though, let use this example.

Are you vegetarian? If not, then you don't mind having sentient, self-aware animals being killed so you can eat. If you are vegetarian, then you probably don't think like this when you kill a wasp or a other insects.

Ultimately, regardless of your beliefs... we're all hypocrites at some point along the line, so we just have to deal with it.

Claiming Animals do or do not have sentience is an assumption, because I'm not aware of any animals out there that have shown anything other than basic instinct to survive. The only reason people would 'differ' on this matter, is because of Animal Rights. That's when things get out of hand. 'Animal Rights' should consist of one thing only; the end of needless suffering; i.e inhumane treatment of animals, slow tormenting deaths, etc.

Your main point seems to simply state that we all have differences of opinion, and at some point we're all hypocrites in one way or another, correct?

I say to you then, that pulling a flower out by it's roots from it's pot before it has the chance to bloom, would be the same as trampling on it even after it has fully bloomed and shown off it's bright colors.

The difference between you and I? You look at the blooming flower that was trampled upon, and look upon it with sadness, yet you don't see the beauty in what could have been in the other flower that was torn from it's roots before it even had the chance to bloom..

What a retard of a doctor.

Statments like "i'm prolife" or "life is sacred" almost turns the inside out on me when it is used in the abortiondiscussion.

If your so prolife why dont you fight for the survival of HIV, Ebola or plague?
And why dont you fight for the survival of insects like mosquitos and flies?
So being prolife is more selective than you make it look like, you'r no diffrent from the rest of us unless you could answer yes to the two questions.

Offcause it is the pregnant womans decission and noone else. In places where abortion is illigal, you have all sorts of obscure and barbaric methods to stop the pregnancies.

Why is it ok for you to force a woman to get her baby?, do you know how the economics or lifestyle of this "random" woman?....what if she's a junkie...admitting that she cant protect an infant, do you still want to force this upon the woman and potentially creating a "looser-child" born with abstinenses and who risk getting a life where it is send from fosterhome to fosterhome.

If you use "prolife" in a religious context your even further out on a wrong track. Isen't THE ONLY CERTAINTY FROM God, that one day you should die?....are you in reality working against your God on this issue?

...I cant answer that question since i never been religious.

reply to post by Lionhearte


But both the egg and the sperm is biology (life), and you remove one of the spermcells chance to make woman pregnant, so you might not kill 1½mil babies, but certainly destroy this 1 spermcell and eggs future life.

Using your definition of life, would make all plants dead things.

an unborn fetus. It's alive, but is it conscious and aware that its alive? If I had to say so I would guess that it's consciousness is similar to that of an ant. Have you killed an ant before? Yes. You're a hypocrite.

Originally posted by swoopaloop
an unborn fetus. It's alive, but is it conscious and aware that its alive? If I had to say so I would guess that it's consciousness is similar to that of an ant. Have you killed an ant before? Yes. You're a hypocrite.

That's pretty much the point I was trying to make, which Lionhearte seems to have missed. The doctor in this story is a hypocrite because of the quote above.

It's the woman's choice, simple. The state, nor prolifers have the right to tell a person what they can do to their own body. Especially in the Western world where we say we're all for freedom and self determination.

Prolifers... go be prolife with your significant other... us prochoicers... will choose for ourselves. It's like reglion... you cannot tell me what God to believe in or if there is one at all (I'm Athiest by the way).

I don't look at a trampled flower and feel sadness.................... I look at the flower and don't care.

i have had an abortion, or been party to one (she decided to). know what? best damned decision we ever made. now...we're not both strapped for cash, stressed out all the time, hating each other and what our lives have become like all the other people who got pregnant in their early 20s accidentally.

go ahead...accuse me of murder! at least i'll be able to afford the lawyer to defend myself cuz i don't spend all my money on a kid that i regret having when i did. i think it's better for a couple to abort the fetus from the jump than have the kid and the kid grow up neglected and not feeling as loved as he/she should. and creating another orphan isn't very pious, either.

so...it really is a toss up. i mean me personally...i would rather be aborted and never know that i wasn't wanted than grow up with parents who wish they would've waited longer or not had me period. i don't think the human race is in danger of running out of babies anytime soon. we're also the only animals that care for our lame young. all the other animals leave the weak/lame to die or kill it themselves to put it out of it's misery. so...perhaps, we could argue that our soft spot for babies could be a weakness when compared to other species.

Originally posted by Mimir
What a retard of a doctor.

Statments like "i'm prolife" or "life is sacred" almost turns the inside out on me when it is used in the abortiondiscussion.

There is no need to have such feelings, friend, nor have such hostility towards a story..

If your so prolife why dont you fight for the survival of HIV, Ebola or plague?
And why dont you fight for the survival of insects like mosquitos and flies?

There are people today who DO fight for cures, prevention, awareness, and survival of those diseases.. the difference is, you don't see many people fighting for the spread of such diseases, do you?

Insects, as well, serve their purpose in this world, but I am not aware of anyone committing unnecessary genocide amongst insects, unless the sole purpose was the survival of other species, such as the extermination of mosquitoes that contain the West Nile Virus.

Offcause it is the pregnant womans decission and noone else. In places where abortion is illigal, you have all sorts of obscure and barbaric methods to stop the pregnancies.

Why is it ok for you to force a woman to get her baby?, do you know how the economics or lifestyle of this "random" woman?....what if she's a junkie...admitting that she cant protect an infant, do you still want to force this upon the woman and potentially creating a "looser-child" who risk getting send from fosterhome to fosterhome.

The idea that it is the "woman's choice" is ignorant. More than one life is involved, and that is the child's life. No person can pass the judgment of life or death onto an innocent individual.

The 'economics' or lifestyle of said woman is something they should have considered before engaging in unprotected sex. Rape victims, while unfortunate, and rare - after an attack, medical professionals take all the necessary steps to 'clean' the woman - those who do get pregnant with child still have many options available to them, including foster homes, which you apparently seem to think raise little Hitlers.

If you use "prolife" in a religious context your even further out on a wrong track. Isen't THE ONLY CERTAINTY FROM God, that one day you should die?....are you in reality working against your God on this issue?

Funny, I actually believe in God too, but you're the first to bring Him up.

No, the promise of God is that you would receive life, should you believe in Him. Forced miscarriage was indeed a sin and against the law, as seen in the Old Testament, punishable by death.

...I cant answer that question since i never been religious.

You really shouldn't bring up "religious" talks if you don't know what you're talking about, then.

But both the egg and the sperm is biology (life), and you remove one of the spermcells chance to make woman pregnant, so you might not kill 1½mil babies, but certainly destroy this 1 spermcell and eggs future life.

Using your definition of life, would make all plants dead things.

I honestly don't even know what you said, could you be a bit more clear on to what that response was towards in my post?

reply to post by Natame

Your body belongs to you... only you have that choice to do what you will with it.

That sounds good, especially to a libertarian like myself.

But in our real world, it is far from the truth.

Can I stick a needle into my body and inject heroin into it? Not in the US.

It is a crime in some jurisdictions to commit suicide. If you fail in an attempt to do so, you can be jailed or placed in a mental ward.

We don't have control of our own bodies, the government(s) does.

Originally posted by swoopaloop
an unborn fetus. It's alive, but is it conscious and aware that its alive? If I had to say so I would guess that it's consciousness is similar to that of an ant. Have you killed an ant before? Yes. You're a hypocrite.

Faulty logic. Do you remember the day you were born? When you were 2 months old? When you had your 1st birthday? If you do not, then by your logic, you were an ant, and not even worth the chance of living.

Originally posted by Natame
Ok im sorry but i guess i have issues with this... a womans body is hers and hers alone. I have had three wonderful children and i know i would never have aborted them. But i also believe a woman has the right to choose her fate. I do understand the fact that a baby once conceived is alive. But knowing that there is alot of different reasons that a woman could or would want to terminate that said pregnancy is her CHOICE. I would never dictate to anyone that wanted to have a tattoo or plastic surgery, to have a cancer removed or life threatening surgery..Your body belongs to you... only you have that choice to do what you will with it.

Yes but thats the whole point, it isnt about the Mother...its about the child, and that child is NOT the mother. If the parent is so concerned about her body and doesnt give a sh*t about the child, then DONT HAVE SEX...

Abortion is the most selfish act anyone could ever commit.

Kill It Cos I Cant Be Ass*d Looking After It...

reply to post by Natame


You have access to contraception measures, including the most basic one, that is, not to have sex. If you lived in a society where sex carried with it the direct possibility of pregnancy, I might be able to agree with you, but you don't. You have full capability to avoid pregnancy. If you failed to do so, you ought to bear the consequences of your decisions like every other human being does.

Originally posted by Lionhearte

Originally posted by swoopaloop
an unborn fetus. It's alive, but is it conscious and aware that its alive? If I had to say so I would guess that it's consciousness is similar to that of an ant. Have you killed an ant before? Yes. You're a hypocrite.

Faulty logic. Do you remember the day you were born? When you were 2 months old? When you had your 1st birthday? If you do not, then by your logic, you were an ant, and not even worth the chance of living.

You're just looking for a fault in this logic and not doing a very good job. first of all i'm not talking about memories, i'm talking about consciousness. Second of all, we're talking about life before being born. Nice try but you've failed. Run along now.

Originally posted by Mimir
What a retard of a doctor.

Statments like "i'm prolife" or "life is sacred" almost turns the inside out on me when it is used in the abortiondiscussion.

If your so prolife why dont you fight for the survival of HIV, Ebola or plague?
And why dont you fight for the survival of insects like mosquitos and flies?
So being prolife is more selective than you make it look like, you'r no diffrent from the rest of us unless you could answer yes to the two questions.

Offcause it is the pregnant womans decission and noone else. In places where abortion is illigal, you have all sorts of obscure and barbaric methods to stop the pregnancies.

Why is it ok for you to force a woman to get her baby?, do you know how the economics or lifestyle of this "random" woman?....what if she's a junkie...admitting that she cant protect an infant, do you still want to force this upon the woman and potentially creating a "looser-child" born with abstinenses and who risk getting a life where it is send from fosterhome to fosterhome.

If you use "prolife" in a religious context your even further out on a wrong track. Isen't THE ONLY CERTAINTY FROM God, that one day you should die?....are you in reality working against your God on this issue?

...I cant answer that question since i never been religious.

reply to post by Lionhearte

 

But both the egg and the sperm is biology (life), and you remove one of the spermcells chance to make woman pregnant, so you might not kill 1½mil babies, but certainly destroy this 1 spermcell and eggs future life.

Using your definition of life, would make all plants dead things.

edit on 9-11-2011 by Mimir because: (no reason given)

I feel truely sorry for you...and just to clarify, people who are born to "junkie" parents dont always turn out to be "looser children". Please read my own testimonial.

Here

There is a really simple solution. KEEP YOUR DAMN LEGS CLOSED OR PANTS ZIPPED. people are so selfish and too darn free with "their" bodies. The ONLY safe way to prevent ,100%, getting a baby is don't have sex. Then there is also adoption.

Why are people even arguing about this? Prolifers can't force people not to abort in a free society. So as the phrase goes... "deal with it".