Why Would The Occupy... 99% Not Identify With The Homeless?

reply to post by Michelle129th


Yup. Starting to sound more and more like a private garden party for the trust fund kiddies saying they represent the people they are not allowing to participate. Is the We in "We are the 99%!" turning into a royal "we"?

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

I don't know... I can't speak for the movement.
If they really are homeless and there to participate in the protest then I guess they should be treated equally.
If they only attend for free meals and the ressources are insufficient then I would send them off to local soup kitchens.

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

I don't know... I can't speak for the movement.
If they really are homeless and there to participate in the protest then I guess they should be treated equally.
If they only attend for free meals and the ressources are insufficient then I would send them off to local soup kitchens.

As I said earlier, I don't remember ever hearing of a qualification test in order to go down to these gatherings when they first started. And from what the article said it sounds like these volunteer kitchens were setup to feed everyone at the Occupy Wall Street gathering. Not just certain attendees, but everyone. So, you believe the Occupy Wall Street upper class, let's say the 1% of the 99%, should be allowed to discriminate against those not breaking any laws the rest of the 99% gathering are breaking as well?

Since the food has been donated where do the cooks come off??? Hey the homeless have just as much of a right to the food as they do. All that food donated for the protesters could have just as easily been donated to homeless shelters Is the 99% not everyone who is not a "evil wall street banker"?

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

I believe that as long as the ressources are sufficient to feed everyone then they should feed the homeless people too of course.

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

I believe that as long as the ressources are sufficient to feed everyone then they should feed the homeless people too of course.

If they aren't sufficient to feed everyone the portions they're used to, shouldn't everyone take a cut in portion size rather than let some of the 99% go hungry?

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


They are a part of the 99%, and so am I, and so are you. The difference between most people and those in the article is; we understand that the food being served is there to feed the protesters who are spending countless hours battling the corruption that is plaguing this world; people that are going to be living this reality through the winter, through the Nor'easter that’s currently moving down the coast. Their actions are counteractive to the movement, just like yours.
You are part of the 99%, whether you follow the same political beliefs as them or not, you are being prohibited from progressing the way you should by the same people we are. I don’t care if you live in a nice 2.5 story Cape Cod in Upstate New York, you could have more if you weren’t a slave to their rules.
As I’ve said in previous posts, if you agree with the corruption but disagree with OWS, then head your own movement, otherwise you’re siding with the elite who think waging illegal wars are okay, stealing from American Tax Payers is okay, murdering millions is okay, toppling economies for the sake of personal gain is okay.

Get out there and contribute to the change, and stop trolling ATS for stars from equally uniformed people.


**and to the poster wondering how people can tell if someone is a “professional homeless” person or not. I lived in Philly, and can spot them a mile away. I’m positive those in New York can do the same. It's called urban experience.

reply to post by FugitiveSoul


So you do believe that there should be a qualification test to be allowed to represent the 99%, that not everyone who is in the 99% should be allowed to be a representative. OK. Do you feel the true 99% should be allowed to vote as to who should be allowed to represent them?

Sorry, you're not going to shame me into not looking into the inner workings of this movement that says they represent me and the rest of the 99%, even though they're showing they don't. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


You love to put words into people's mouths, the unfortunate part of that is, you're terrible at it, so allow me to gift upon you a dose of your own methodology.

I told you that "if you believe there is corruption in the world, but do not agree with the politics of the OWS movement that you should start a movement of your own, otherwise you're siding with those who believe thievery, murder, lies, and illegal wars are okay." You didn't answer to this specific response, neither through vocalizing your concerns towards global corruption, or to dispute my general claims, so by default you agree that people should be slaves, should be murdered, should be underpaid, and left in the cold to die so that a handful of people may remain in positions of dangerous power.
And you call us socialists and fascists. tsk tsk. Your actions speak volumes.

I grow bored of your support of the downfall of hardworking people(s) across this good Earth, so I'll leave you to troll alone.


~FugitiveSoul


ETA: you should really think about changing your signature, otherwise your hypocrisy comment becomes a hypocrisy in and of itself, as your actions show nothing but support for the bankers who own this and every POTUS.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

You love to put words into people's mouths, the unfortunate part of that is, you're terrible at it, so allow me to gift upon you a dose of your own methodology.

I told you that "if you believe there is corruption in the world, but do not agree with the politics of the OWS movement that you should start a movement of your own, otherwise you're siding with those who believe thievery, murder, lies, and illegal wars are okay."

I'm already a member of a movement called The Tea Party. Thanks for your concern.

You didn't answer to this specific response, neither through vocalizing your concerns towards global corruption, or to dispute my general claims, so by default you agree that people should be slaves, should be murdered, should be underpaid, and left in the cold to die so that a handful of people may remain in positions of dangerous power.

You're seriously using Joe Biden scare tactics? Really? While the Occupy Wall Street volunteer security goons are kicking homeless people out of the park? Really?

And you call us socialists and fascists. tsk tsk. Your actions speak volumes.

I think that has something to do with the Nazi and Communist Party banners at the Occupy... rallies.

I grow bored of your support of the downfall of hardworking people(s) across this good Earth, so I'll leave you to troll alone.


~FugitiveSoul

Have fun kicking a homeless person while waiting in line for your goat cheese salad.

ETA: you should really think about changing your signature, otherwise your hypocrisy comment becomes a hypocrisy in and of itself, as your actions show nothing but support for the bankers who own this and every POTUS.

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Oh-Kaaay.

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


Dude, your logic is insanely misguided.
I see anti-OWS comments on ATS all the time, yet none of these people seem capable of offering solutions to this current economic crisis.
And since when do professional homeless people equal ACTUAL homeless people?

People have the right to assemble to exercise their 1st amendment rights, and you seem to have a problem with that. Exactly who's side are you on anyway? The Tea Partiers and their misguided aggression is okay, yet the people who are actually going after the source of this mess are somehow bad?
Of course you've been pro Bush till the bitter end, so that's no real shocker.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
This is just amazing! The Constitutionally illegal person elected by the people in this thread to President is destroying the U.S., and yet what are they concerned about? ATS is turning into just another DailyKosmonaut!

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Anyone still standing up for that moron is on a-whole-nother level of stupid. Enjoy your ignorance. The bliss must be heavenly.

Ive actually had this problem in my city.
I understand that a lot of the homeless are mentally ill or deficient in some way that can easily lead to their homelessness, but a lot of the homeless are pathetic and want me to wipe their ass. I know that sounds harsh but here's the story,
I go to the university in my city and ride the bus everyday right through downtown where occupy is taking place. The individuals i see talking with a megaphone are none other than two guys i went to high school with. I was friends with these guys and know there families. They were nice families and these guys had every opportunity in the world to do whatever they want. Instead they chose to be homeless. I even worked with the one guy at the grocery store i am still part time at. He was a horrible worker and called anyone who wanted to work hard a tool.

My point is that i am absolutely ashamed that these are the people representing the occupy movement in my city. To me occupy is about standing up for the people of my country who lose their jobs because of downsizing to maximize profit, to long time employees who have their pensions cut, and a society that is increasingly incapable of efficiency. These guys representing occupy are homeless by choice and have never for a second imagined of putting an effort into our system and demand more from those of us who hold it together.

It is in my opinion that the homeless have absolutely no part in occupy and need to be removed from the movement. Ofcourse not the mentally ill or those incapacitated by addiction..... they need help.
I believe in the Hippocratic oath for all civilians, and that we all do our best for each other.

Originally posted by Garkiniss
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

Dude, your logic is insanely misguided.
I see anti-OWS comments on ATS all the time, yet none of these people seem capable of offering solutions to this current economic crisis.
And since when do professional homeless people equal ACTUAL homeless people?

OK. So where do they fit in? The 99% or the 1%?

People have the right to assemble to exercise their 1st amendment rights, and you seem to have a problem with that. Exactly who's side are you on anyway? The Tea Partiers and their misguided aggression is okay, yet the people who are actually going after the source of this mess are somehow bad?

edit on 27-10-2011 by Garkiniss because: (no reason given)

Where did I say anything against assembling? We in the Tea Party assemble quite regularly. Misguided aggression? That's an interesting term. When "the people who are actually going after the source of this mess" start redefining who they think should be included in the 99% they say they represent because they're eating their goat cheese salad, now that's wrong. But you make up what makes you feel better about what your group is doing.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
Keywords to your post. "Professional Homeless" & "Cons".

You did research Professional Homeless people before posting, didn't you?

Hint: They generally aren't actually homeless.

The OWS isn't turning away the needy, they're turning away the non-needy opportunists who are taking away vital resources from the Protesters.

How do they know they aren't turning away the needy? How exactly do you identify the "professional homeless"? Do they wear a sign that says "I'm not homeless, but I play one of them on TV"? Or is it a "you'll know it when you see it" type of thing? I see people out on the street all the time with a sign saying "will work for food". Should I just assume that they're professional homeless and stop giving them a couple of bucks?

/TOA

I was there a couple of days ago. I don't see how they can distinguish who is homeless and who is not. They all looked homeless to me, and they stank real bad.

instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad.

Sounds like they're eating better than 99% of the people I know.

Dupilcate thread, so duplicate response. ATS is supposed to be aware of the dirty tricks of the media, or is that only applicable to when it's suiting personal agenda. Yes the story is true in some places, by some people. Not all.

Originally posted by Kali74
Here we go again. I don't know what disturbs me more...the fact that too many people on ATS drool at the prospect of people who are actively doing something to try to change the status quo, failing, or that suddenly, the majority who are always MSM sucks this and MSM skews that, are now all for picking one interview out of the crowd, cherry picked mind you, and running with it because it confirms your wrongly pre-conceived leftist agendas correct.

Now, protesters from Portland to Los Angeles to Atlanta are trying to distinguish between homeless people who are joining their movement and those who are there for the amenities. When night falls in Portland, for instance, protesters have been dealing with fights, drunken arguments and the display of the occasional knife.

However, many homeless say the protests have helped them speak out against the economic troubles that sent them to the streets in the first place.

"The city wasn't giving us what we needed," said Joseph Gordon, 31, who trekked his way from Cincinnati two months ago and noted that there is nearly always enough food but never enough shelter. "You can't feed your problem away. It took this camp to show people how it really is."

Billy Jones, 28, provides security at the protests. Jones said he's not just looking for free food.

"Don't have the misconception that most homeless people are always out for a meal," Jones said. "I'm here because there are things I can lend that are helpful to the movement. I can get food anywhere. I don't have to be at 'Occupy Atlanta' to get food."

In Salt Lake City, protesters see working with the homeless as an opportunity to demonstrate their political views. "We can help people get out of homelessness," said organizer Jesse Fruhwirth, 30. "We have already surpassed any effort the state or city has ever made to create a sober, happy space for the homeless."

Yes, there are going to be problems with ANYONE from any label you want to slap on them. Yes, there are going to be freeloaders and people doing it just because. Yes, there are going to be malicious minded persons roaming about. Isn't that society in general though?

USA Today

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reply to post by Kali74


Good to hear some of the Occupy... rallies are actually embracing the homeless, and making them a part of the group! Maybe, the originators, the Occupy Wall St group, are the minority in this discrimination of who can participate.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
Keywords to your post. "Professional Homeless" & "Cons".

You did research Professional Homeless people before posting, didn't you?

Hint: They generally aren't actually homeless.

The OWS isn't turning away the needy, they're turning away the non-needy opportunists who are taking away vital resources from the Protesters.

So this supposed 99% know who is deserving and who is not? Sounds like an elitist point of view....

This is smart, actually.

People who really are hungry aren't going to be that picky. The pros will move on to greener pastures.