The Nazi Party

The Nazi party, or the National SOCIALIST Workers Party is called communistic.Socialism and Communism aren't the same things...or are they? O.o
Anyone care to shed a little light on this topic?

are you talking about the nsdap ?

reply to post by icepack


Partially? Thats a part of the nazi party.

Communism and socialism are slightly different. The Nazi's form of national socialism was different still. Why not just read up about it on Wiki? The article describes the Nazi's form of national socialism well enough.

The Nazis promoted a right-wing socialist economy.[16][17] The economic system rejected egalitarianism and instead supported a stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent, retaining private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class distinction.[18][19] This socialism promoted the creation of a community of common interest between managers and employees in industry where a factory leader would be selected to act in coordination with a council of factory members, though these members would have to obey the Führerprinzip of the factory leader.[20] The economy was to be subordinate to the goals of the political leadership of the state.

Nazism

I may be wrong, but with communism, no one gets rich but you can with socialism.

With communism, all goes at the same place to be equally shared while in socialism, you pay a certain amount to contribute for the whole.

Is that it?

reply to post by NowanKenubi


See, Im confused also? The post before you stated the things I already knew. How can a Socialist party that did socialist things, be communism? In fact, I think there were rich and poor people in Germany.

reply to post by Mythfury


The Nazi party might have started as a socialist worker party (fighting for the rights of those working, sound familiar?) but quickly degenerated into Fascism.

But this can't ignore the fact that up until the atrocities, the Nazi party and Hitler complete changed Germany for the better, I guess that was the socialist element. But eventually it became about living space and conquering those nations who have it, or might pose a threat to the growing "greater" Germany, so industry was converted into military, stockpiles were illegally produced, and you know the rest.

but yes, for a few short years life as a German was good under Hitler.

reply to post by Mythfury

See, Im confused also? The post before you stated the things I already knew. How can a Socialist party that did socialist things, be communism? In fact, I think there were rich and poor people in Germany.

Maybe because they weren't communists and rose to power fighting against communism? Seriously, what are they teaching you guys in schools these days?

"Brawndo, it's got what plants crave"

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


I thought it was electrolytes??
Naw, I'm sorry if i seem ignorant But I was watching Full Metal Alchemist: Conqueror of Shamballa, last night and they said that it was a socialist group. And It does stand for National Socialist Workers Party, and they kept the name even though they werent? It kinda like the USA saying we are a democracy, promoting peace.

reply to post by Mythfury

The NSDAP(National Socialist Deutscher Arbeiter Partei) or national socialist German workers party was the name under which the Nazi party was founded.
With regards to thje difference between communism and national socialism,it has been described thus"Communism is national socialism's non-aryan grandmother"

The Nazis were never socialist. It was only used to gather support from the workers at time. It somewhat worked. They spoke highly against the communists from the day they formed.

reply to post by Tea4One


SO, what you are saying is that they lied to make the "best" country ever?

reply to post by Mythfury


If you mean what I think you mean, yeah, they did indeed lie.

reply to post by Tea4One


Well, in your opinion, could America be a modern day Nazi Party?

reply to post by Mythfury


I think people are mistaken because you mentioned Nazism...

I've lived in a socialist province all my life. There are rich and poor. We are functioning pretty much like in the states, with the difference that every workers pay a percentage to contribute to the whole.

For example, our hospitals are public. I've read posts from US people say that they wouldn't want their government to chose their doc for them, as in a socialist state.
The government doesn't chose for me. In fact, we are even encouraged to consult more than one doctor to confirm the diagnostic that is given us... And we can chose whoever we want. Can the people from the US do that?

Of course, that concerns generalists. If you need a specialist, you will get a recommendation from the generalist. That is to insure specialists don't get over loaded with things generalists can take care of. But even then, you can chose who ever you want to, once you have your recommendation.

I had a broken bone in my wrist. But the way it was broken, it never showed on radios. I consulted countless doctors before one found out my problem. It took me three years. Then I needed a corrective surgery because my bone had died. It cost me that much: a few sleepless nights due to pain, bus fares to go meet the doc, after the surgery... I didn't have to spend more than half a million to be treated.
( and my case is kind of an exception ) Doctors here can operate a billionaire at 9am and the poorest of the poor at noon... They will not discriminate, because they will be paid the same amount.

How does that sound horrible? From where I stand, I am horrified to see the US can produce many wonderful things, and yet, harbor so many poor, or even middle classed people that are abandoned by their government and insurance, and die in their thirties while the remedy costs only 50 000$ or less...
Is capitalism so good?

What I see, mostly, is that every ideology has its merits, and weaknesses. It is time to merge the best of every ideology, and leave behind what contributes to downfalls.

Because until now, there has been a constant from every types of government or ideology; end up filling its pockets for agendas not favoring their countries and citizens.

Greed is the problem.

EDIT: Strangely, where I live, we are recognized as national-socialists, and no one has ever called us NAZIs... Because NAZI is the contraction of the German words national-socialists...

reply to post by Mythfury


In some ways they have similarities but America isn't quite as extreme as the one party state that Nazi Germany was. A similarity being the (even though it's hidden) the unity between the state and corporations.
America hasn't quite rounded up people into camps, slaughtered its own people completely and banned things such as unions 100% yet. One day it may happen, it might not though.

Oh dear Jesus cookies.....here we go.....I think that it is important to remember that while we can learn at tremendous amount from what happened during WWII can we be careful not to insult any ATS members who might be German.

Discuss the similarities til the cows come home, but please do not let this thread collapse into a German hate fest or an "America only showed up to fight at the end" I think it is important to note the things in common with what happened then and what is happening now in the USA......I just want people to think without being insulted, and I have been in so many of these discussions....it ends up that way frequently.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


You sound like you were THERE in Germany. For a time life under Hitlers rule was good. Very direct statement. I can comment on the rule of Harper, Chretien, Martin, Campbell but not Laurier or Trudeau because I wasn't THERE when they were in power, you see the difference? I can only speculate what life may have been like.

Sheesh sonny what are THEY teaching YOU!?

For someone rather new to the board you seem to come across as someone who has the answers. When I speculate you are not much older than I, 25.

reply to post by NowanKenubi


What country do you reside in Cuba, China? I didn't know countries were still considered National Socialists, just socialist countries. You know, the way Amerikkka is heading.

There's not that much difference between fascism and communism, really. Both are totalitarian regimes with autocratic governance. The difference is just whether corporations are involved, but as history shows, the government provides the money in both instances. The only question is whether corporations are the middlemen, as they are in fascism.

As for socialism, I just take that to be the belief that the state should actively provide welfare for its people. And as far as being a socialist state, it fits what the Nazis did in many ways. From having the Hitler youth, compulsory education, and even free soup once a week, they were surprisingly socialistic to the Germans they thought belonged. Many Germans had no problem with the socialist elements.

I've often thought if not for the Holocaust how Germany's regime might be remembered. With it's pre-emptive militarism, is it really that different than some of the current hegemonic states? America, to say one.

Ironically, the country that subscribes closest today to Nazi ideology is probably Israel. Where other nations have moved past the idea of races and spaces in many meaningful ways, Zionism is just an offshoot of the same sort of virulent nationalism that spawned the Nazis amongst others in my opinion. When identity becomes ethnicity, conflict is inevitable.