Media smear campaign against OWS

I for one, am sick and tired of the media claiming the people in OWS don't know what their protesting for, or are "hippies" or whatever.

No it just can't be, that Americans are sick and tired of the elites trying to destroy this country, and profit for themselves can it? There have been numerous youtube videos, which of course don't show up on MSM news, showing that people ARE fighting for something, DO know what they're talking about, and WANT action to be taken!

But is that reported? No, instead the networks try to use a smear campaign to brainwash their viewers into thinking OWS is a bunch of dumb kids, or burnouts wanting a reason to "cause trouble"

OWS is not much different from the Tea Party, it's a bunch of Americans, fed up with wall street, fed up with corporate greed, and fed up with a large, incompetent government.

What they also have in common is both groups have been/are being infiltrated by liberal/neocon groups like Moveon that are trying to hijack each movement, into their personal gains.

Well guess what MSM, Wall Street, and US government, there are alot more of us that are fed up, than there are of you. We have 300 million people in this country and the majority seem fed up! even if only 50 million of us are fed up, you cannot ignore, or defend against the sheer numbers.

Let me ask you this then.

Who are your leaders? 1, 2 and 3?

What are your complaints? And they must be the same in ALL cities and locations.

What are your demands or requests?

What is plans of your leadership if they are not met? OD these leaders speak for all of you across all borders?

Let me answer for you.

You have no leaders. You have a variety of complaints mostly different from city to city, and location to location. Some more, some less...some not at all the same.

You have no leaders, committees, speakers or heads to speak for you uniformly, or to present your agreed on demands becasue you have no basic agreed upon demands.

All this implies...there is nothing. And nothing from nothings gets you nothing. This will fade to black real soon. Unfortunate, and I wish the rag-tag, unorganized, no goal "movement" well...but....you need leaders and definite issues and agendas and organizers and all on the same pages somewhat...and there is nothing.

And what is your alternative to the current system? Capitalism has its issues but it is much better than the alternatives, Communism been tried and failed miserably (think Animal Farm), Socialism been tried and failed miserably (see the previous). Not saying it's the best system but...

reply to post by LazloFarnsworth


No offence attended, but for me, you have just described perfectly the rag-tag lot that possibly were dropped into Libya to force change there.

Over in Britain the MSM is full full throttle to undermine anyone who has made a physical protest against a totally rotten system that no longer serves the people it earns its living from. Our Merv, our biggest employed private banker, tells us whilst gazing lovingly into the camera lens that through QE of extra billions that the banks need,but don't expect change simply because they grab it and will use it to their own end and not lend a penny to our desperate businesses and people. Our Government will make statements it has no intention of following up and the asset grab will carry on regardless.

Why would anyone support these protesters, you're a fool if you don't. Because we do need major change to our banking system concerning their policies and the people employed at the top who make the policies have to go and face trial for curruption.

Our MSM has our TV presenters supposedly giving their opinions - "All lazy, they go home to feed their pets and the tents must be grabbed by the Police at night". Our press noted that a huge percent were on disability living allowance. I would expect they are. These are the people who can't work, so have the time. They also have the right to protest, despite the MSM denying them that. Our disability allowances are too low, we also have virtually the lowest state pensions in the EU and a huge proportion of people on the minimum wage have found out they can't save for private pensions because thats set too low. Yet money that should go to this budget goes to fight needless wars - Damn right they're protesting. In fact were there a committee directing this I doubt they would stay alive very long cos people don't like change. Best to raise head above parrapet once success well on the way. The MSM would do their very best at character assassination and any other dirty trict possible so best not to feed the skunks - they stink.

The vehement attack from the MSM is clearly directed by head boy, whom even people in his own party think he and his overpriviledged circle suck, shows an inner panic going on because although you might have the police to cover your a-s just on pure numbers, too much more of these cuts to our infrastructure and the horrendous job losses and destroyed business, which have been going on slyly since the 1990s are ruining people's lives.

So I support those gladly who have the guts to show how unsatisfied we all are and how we need change. We here have the same political -safety net for the wealthy- its simply a two party system which has grown from the same root.

Youre rambling. I agree with the protest. But it need leadership, equal and stated issues and demands across the board. Agreed on whether in Oakland, WS or anywhere else. Without delgated spokepersons and agreed issues....no one group will be taken seriously. Thats all. Im all for it.

During the Vietnam war, we had leaders, demands, organizers who travel and met with all the proteters from city to city and came up with organized plans and protests. No one hosuewife speaking and then a laid off auto workers complaining and then 10 students waving non-specifi signs. That wont do and wont be taken seriously.

If leaders assumed roles, the complaints and demands were uniform and agreed, then spokepersons on the same rhetorical pages would be able to represent the membership. But in this case? There isnt even a membership. Just a lot of complainers about a lot of things.

If all could be gathered together and agreed on topics and leadership...it would all be taken seriously. It seems doomed to fail. I hope not.

reply to post by CoolStoryMan

reply to post by CoolStoryMan


If the 'majority' are actually fed up and this movement is as vast as everyone wants to believe it is, then it would have no problem fixing the problems in America in a democratic fashion.

If there are millions upon millions of supporters of the OWS movement then I fully expect 0 incumbents to keep their seats in Congress next election.
But my guess is that this is simply a fringe socialist movement propagated by young idealists with very little idea about the way the world truly works-- all presentation, no substance.

Originally posted by LazloFarnsworth
Let me ask you this then.

Who are your leaders? 1, 2 and 3?

What are your complaints? And they must be the same in ALL cities and locations.

What are your demands or requests?

What is plans of your leadership if they are not met? OD these leaders speak for all of you across all borders?

Let me answer for you.

You have no leaders. You have a variety of complaints mostly different from city to city, and location to location. Some more, some less...some not at all the same.

You have no leaders, committees, speakers or heads to speak for you uniformly, or to present your agreed on demands becasue you have no basic agreed upon demands.

All this implies...there is nothing. And nothing from nothings gets you nothing. This will fade to black real soon. Unfortunate, and I wish the rag-tag, unorganized, no goal "movement" well...but....you need leaders and definite issues and agendas and organizers and all on the same pages somewhat...and there is nothing.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong and also...Ignorant.

Read this link in it's entirety for the answers to your questions.

They are organized now. They have their goals, plans, demands leadership and everything else going...

I was actually impressed when I read this.

The 99 Percent Declaration.

Simply put, you are wrong.

You say, once they get organized it will all be taken seriously... Well... Care to take that back? Face it. The media is going to spin this negatively no matter what.

That said, they do need to weed out the few idiots who seem hellbent on bringing violence into the mix such as the morons that trespassed on that chase bank in Ohio, vandalizing it, turning over a table and throwing paper everywhere....

That needs to stop... The movement is growing and maturing...To reach "adulthood" these dorks need to be gotten rid of. It's supposed to be peaceful.

Good day.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


In watching the Oakland, Detroit, New York WS and other OCCUPY sites' protests...all of the issues were different, and varied to a degree. Hardly uniform from place to place, and a variety of speakers on all differnt platforms and agendas. Not a way to show uniformity right?

Again...I agree with the ideas. It just need leadership, uniform complaints and organization so all are on the same page across all these cities. But I dont think its going to happen.

Again, I really hope it does.

Originally posted by LazloFarnsworth
Let me ask you this then.

Who are your leaders? 1, 2 and 3?

What are your complaints? And they must be the same in ALL cities and locations.

What are your demands or requests?

What is plans of your leadership if they are not met? OD these leaders speak for all of you across all borders?

Let me answer for you.

You have no leaders. You have a variety of complaints mostly different from city to city, and location to location. Some more, some less...some not at all the same.

You have no leaders, committees, speakers or heads to speak for you uniformly, or to present your agreed on demands becasue you have no basic agreed upon demands.

All this implies...there is nothing. And nothing from nothings gets you nothing. This will fade to black real soon. Unfortunate, and I wish the rag-tag, unorganized, no goal "movement" well...but....you need leaders and definite issues and agendas and organizers and all on the same pages somewhat...and there is nothing.

Why do we need leaders? Why can't groups from all of the country, en masse, get together and tell the world they are pissed off? i guess we could give the reigns to moveon.org

reply to post by CoolStoryMan


Because then all youre doing is TALKING about it. That wont get anything accomplished, because TPTB will just shrug their shoulders and move on the way they have and screw us all some more. We need a definitive agenda of issues and agendas of what we want done. Not just for them to listen.

When you want to just listen, you put on your I-pod. That solves nothing.

"Wow. Look at those protesters! Can I get another refill of my coffee please?"

reply to post by CoolStoryMan


Smear? Mmmm not really. A leaderless "protest" not protesting anything in particular, the only thing that can be agreed upon is that they demand to "occupy" parks and live in tents. The little makeshift villages themselves turn into cesspits of human waste, garbage, fighting, a haven for the mentally ill, criminals and homeless.

It was a nice idea, it worked for a little while, but people are sick of it now..

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


yeah, I've seen several "declarations" "manifesto's" etc etc.. there is no national leadership of the protest and therefore no single accepted document describing the beliefs and or demands of protesters. Currently the only organization is through the Democratic Party using trade unions to push for liberal (Democratic) candidates.

Did anyone see the South Park episode recently about the protests? It was absolutely hilarious! Everyone was protesting, they didn't know why, they were just p***ed off. The result was that TPTB lowered the national average penis size and the protesters dispersed happy as larry

I'm so sick of hearing about these protests and also the following words;

-Grass Roots

-Organic

-Progressive

I was so opposed to the protests (still am) but when it reached peak here in Melbourne I decided to go check it out and everything I thought about the whole thing was verified. People not having a clue! The organisations there who DID have a clue (spirit of Eureka organisation and a few unions) and had A4 pages DOT POINTING CLEAR PROBLEMS WITH SOLUTIONS seemed to be the only ones not being paid attention to.

When the march concluded at the state library the megaphone was passed around to anyone who wanted to have a say...my God what an embarrassment it was to be there....just delusional university students banging on about communism and giving out verbal hugs and high fives for what had been accomplished, which of course was nothing.

There was a little old Chinese lady standing on a street corner handing out anti-communist material regarding the attrocities of the organ trade, concentration camps etc. and exposing the horrors of Communism- I didn't see one of those weiners trying to preach the benefits of communism to her.

Those gusy need to take a trip to somewhere like Krakow and preach their crap. The old motto in Poland goes;

Just like leaves, so too the communists shall hang from trees

That is just one example of a country that obviously flourished under communism.

Boycott the Occupation!