OccupyBoston encampment threatened by RIOT police. NOW

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This is not really about how much money anybody needs. Obviously, when people have so much money they could never spend it all if they spent a million bucks a day, there is something else behind their need to control. many of the Elite know they have to keep the reins of control and an Intl police force to enforce it so that the masses cannot truly rise up and take it back. The fact that so many of the OWS are calling for more and bigger govt should set off alarms to everybody. This is prelude to the One World Govt and these people are helping the Elite usher it in.

Originally posted by AzureSky
Zeitgeist doesn't promote communism and a one world government. Lol.

"If you don't want war, poverty, hunger, unemployment, you have to declare all the Earth's resources as a common heritage of all the world's people. All the artificial boundaries have to be removed so that people can travel anywhere. It has to be a global society. There are many people that feel "well, let's develop each country." Well, you can't do that." - Jacque Fresco, 'Zeitgeist'



And remember, this trojan horse trash is being played for the people watching the Boston protests online. The people who are, themselves, banned or muted for putting forth political ideologies of their own.

At the minimum, it's safe to say that the globalrevolution livestream is being run by communist sympathizers. At worst, it is being run (directly or indirectly) by agents of the elite globalist criminals mentioned in this thread.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Who controls the media and the corporations that are in question? It is the labor unions and who controls the labor unions? Democratic Socialists.

Now what you said about the illuminatti, who are the 1% who are the elite that should be in question?
They are the Rockefellers and Rothschilds.
Both are socialists, not capitalists and this is important to remember for later because it is not the greed of capitalism it is the corruption of socialism in America.

I would submit that the greed inherent in capitalism has opened the door for many of the problems we currently face, regardless of the personal beliefs of those that ultimately orchestrated these problems. Worshipping capitalism as a religion is a lie of the far right which is just as bad as lies of the socialists and communists.

What do I advocate? (Assuming the NWO globalists can be stopped, which I doubt.) We must have a free, informed populace. That populace must hold real, direct power. Not the elite, otherwise the populace will be slaves, in any system of economics or government.

Capitalism is still the best system of economics, due to human nature. However, all capitalist entities (corporations, specifically) must directly answer to the people, and those at the top must be held accountable to the same laws as everyone else.

For example, BP would have been free to make the same terrible choices they made, polluting the ocean with countless gallons of crude oil and corexit. Except, in my system, there would have been a real investigation and real punishment; anyone at fault (especially those highest on the chain of command) would have paid personally for their crimes with appropriate prison terms, and if the people deemed it warranted, the entire company would be dissolved.

Handing the power to the few simply fails, in any system. Doesn't matter if it's communist, socialist or capitalist. The good of the many is never the same as the good of the few.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
This is not really about how much money anybody needs. Obviously, when people have so much money they could never spend it all if they spent a million bucks a day, there is something else behind their need to control. many of the Elite know they have to keep the reins of control and an Intl police force to enforce it so that the masses cannot truly rise up and take it back. The fact that so many of the OWS are calling for more and bigger govt should set off alarms to everybody. This is prelude to the One World Govt and these people are helping the Elite usher it in.

How can this be addressed? Is there any hope? How can we keep this movement from becoming a coup by collectivists and globalists? How can the public be properly informed when almost all media is going to be against us?

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While I can agree to you on some extent. I must say that I have challenged those in support of OWS to point out specific people and laws that were broken regarding Wall Street. One poster in another thread finally took me up on that and brought up Bernie Madoff and some others. While this poster was correct, I only pointed out that those in question were making big contributions to the democratic party and the Obama administration. They were also already dealt with with the United States Judicial System. Not let off easy either, so in my opinion those in question have already been dealt with, but it also proves that Obama was receiving campaign money that the said "corrupt bankers" in question donated "stolen" funds to the DNC and Obama administration. While one example did work for JP Morgan Chase he also happened to lean heavily to the left as well as the fact that he was not an American and I would guess that none of them were capitalists.

There is also Warren Buffett who is a 1% and also leans left as you have seen with the new Obama Jobs act Taxing the Rich, who describes himself as the Osama Bin Laden of Capitailsm. So please do not make the mistake that the top 1% are a bunch cheating capitalists, most lean left and are socialists. They did obtain wealth through a capitalistic system but they wish to slam the door shut for others with socialism.

I support capitalism, but I do not support the idea that capitalism should be held as an ideal. Capitalism is a flawed system, but it's the best system we have. Its strengths work to counter some inherent flaws in people (laziness), while its flaws tend to exacerbate other flaws in people (corruption.)

As for justice being done? As long as BP's management, Tepco's management, and all the other criminals remain in power, justice has not been done.

That said, the slow destruction of the planet isn't the primary issue here, but rather the fast destruction of freedom. At the end of the day I don't care what coat of belief someone wears. The guilty and corrupt must be punished. You rightly point out that the true puppet masters are the global banking families. (I did know their names BTW, just maybe not the ideological distinctions you mentioned.) I see the situation thus:

The world is like a big game to them, and we are the pawns. They've played the game of capitalism and won. They've won it all, and we've lost.

Now that they've walked away with all the chips to the capitalist game, they want to change the game. And to do that, they will get us to do it for them.

Again I ask, how can this be prevented?

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Good question and therein lies the answer. Think of all the mindless radicals in this thread screaming constitutional rights yet do not understand the constitution or adhere to it, only clinging on to I have a constitutional right to do this and that. The OWS is doomed to fail because the principals they have laid their foundation upon. The founding fathers were smarter than that and they laid it out in the founding of this country, we should revert to that first and then pave the cracks in the road second.

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There is no easy answer. It will be very difficult to roll back the tide of the misinformation and brainwashing which has been fed to millions of souls via the Marxism in Universities and elsewhere. My entire posting history online has been riddled with people attacking me for my positions against communism and socialism. Should I stop in lieu of certain organizations monitoring things online? maybe. is it worth the risk? karmically speaking, I dont know if it will make a difference, but at least my testimony is on record.

reply to post by Observer99


Any system can be abused by greed and corruption, including both Capitalism and Communism. Truly there will be chaos until the human race has learned its lessons, if it ever does.

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They do pretty well fighting with each other.

I dont think there is anything to worry about.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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They do pretty well fighting with each other.

I dont think there is anything to worry about.

A truly disconcerting thing and hard to really grasp fully is that these so called "Capitalists" who are Intl bankers and wealthy industrialists have since the Bolsheviks been aiding and abeting and fomenting revolutions and making money off them. The Bush family and the Harrimans, Schiffs, and Brown Root and Kellog and others funded Hitler and the Rockefellers funded the Bolsheviks. Strange thing. Now today we have Warren Buffet and George Soros funding the Intl Socialist movement.
The Rothschilds made their money during the Napoleonic Wars running both sides of conflicts.

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For sure but I don't know what scares me more the radicals or the elites. But I guess they have their work cut out. Anyhow I find it frightening what they have done to this generation, the 'y' generation I suppose. The brainwashing that has been happening the numbers speak for themselves regarding OWS.

Edit to add: you forgot the Rothschilds who funded communist manifesto.

The police and military have been preparing for this for a long time using our tax money to buy their gear and train. truly taking our money and using it against us. Well what money that may be left anyway.
As this grows so will they, using overwhelming armed police and military with advanced tactics to squelch what is bound to come. As it grows, so will they. but they are few and the people are many.
Even as the media tries to minimize this and squelch the story it will continue to grow. TPTB are not scared yet. They do not care. Neither will they care tomorrow. They will sit back and watch the show all the way up until the last moment when they head for the bunkers and the people are headed into the FEMA camps. That is why those camps are there; They knew this was coming. The instigated it. Let the mayhem begin.
DH

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Observer99

 

This is not really about how much money anybody needs. Obviously, when people have so much money they could never spend it all if they spent a million bucks a day, there is something else behind their need to control. many of the Elite know they have to keep the reins of control and an Intl police force to enforce it so that the masses cannot truly rise up and take it back. The fact that so many of the OWS are calling for more and bigger govt should set off alarms to everybody. This is prelude to the One World Govt and these people are helping the Elite usher it in.

How right you are: When a person has so much money they cannot possibly spend it what else is it that they can covet? "Control over you" AKA Power! When they can dictate your every word and step they control you and that is indeed what this is all about...Control and Power.

In my opinion it is the hard Right that continues to label the OWS movement as a left movement. When it is clear that many protester are not accepting fully the support from the Democrats. I am quite surprised at the harsh criticism form the Right on this protesters when both the Tea Party and the Protesters are essentially fighting the same thing. The OWS movement has moved to Washington DC and will continue to attack in NYC.

Originally posted by dron020
when both the Tea Party and the Protesters are essentially fighting the same thing.

why don't you go down to nyc or dc and tell that to the ows protestors via "mic check".
here is what you should say:

"hi, guise. did you know that y'all are like teabaggers?"

bet your bollocks to a barndance, that you wouldn't see that many jazz-hands
"clapping". nice spin, though. did you go to spin academy or is that just your
natural talent coming into light?

Originally posted by netwarrior
Boston PD is trending 4th worldwide on twitter.

and there you have it. mantra of the sheeple. "twitter is trending".
let's not forget that twitter is also a corporation. and every time you
say "twitter", you're participating in guerilla spam campaign. that's
why twitter is free. and that's why google ain't evil.

easey peasey.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by Observer99

Is this communist garbage being pushed by really, really stupid people, or is it all part of the elite's agenda?

It's obviously part of an agenda and has been for many decades now. One of its leaders, Van Jones was a Czar in the Obama White House in fact. He makes no secret of who he is or what he wants, which is the overthrow of Democracy with he and his being in charge as Dictators.

The plan is in print in a number of books and a copy of its goals was even submitted in Congress to the record in 1963. Obama taught Alinsky in school to indoctrinate children.

The goals as submitted to Congress:
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

Most of the younger folk these days have NO idea what communism (Marxism) is all about. They see China and think this could be a good thing. I am 43 years old, and lived thru the 80’s with the communist threat coming from what we called then, the USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). Why on G-ds given earth would anyone want to live like that? People talk of capitalist elitist, but communism is run by a few people that have all the power as well. They call it “the peoples” this, that and everything else. It’s all a facade…

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it said the link was off line when i tried as well as the other links on this page....

Originally posted by garbageface

Originally posted by here4awhile
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they're in a public park...there is a thing called the right to peaceably assemble...and that's exactly what they were doing...don't try and twist this into some agenda ridden garble like I've seen you do before...there was no disrespect to their city in any way...and if you think there was...there's this little thing called proof I'm going to have to ask for...

Public parks close at night, as they are run and kept up by the city/state. They do have a closing time, at which anybody on the grounds can be arrested for trespassing, which is exactly what you just saw happen. This is why you see city/state police there, and not troops. People need to read and understand the basic laws before protesting, and this kind of thing wouldn't happen. You can't just decide a public park would be a good place to camp out with hundreds of people just because it is an open space that has grass, it's city property.

We ARE the public, right? These lands are purchased and maintained through tax dollars, our dollars.....or are they really the King's Land, perhaps? What a strange, strange mindset you have my friend. The govenrment is supposed to work FOR us, even if we decide, as a majority, to occupy our own lands. We are seeing a breakdown in structure in some cities where the mayor is being overridden and the Sherrif is sending in "troops" to enforce "order". Things are broken. I wonder what happens when the government begins to control citizen actions on public and private land...where do we go from there? Oh, they already do....

Hold on to your hat...I believe that military intervention is coming in some of the bigger cities. Things are gonna get so bad that even the thickest skulled will have an "aha" moment...

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Once again, please do your research or actually attend these events and talk with people there before assuming and imposing an agenda. This is about creating awareness and opposition regarding a world wide plutocracy. It is not a battle against American political structure. They oppose the Federal Reserve, The international Bank Cabal behind it and the T1 Civilization being born through it (the Military Industrial Complex), not the constitution.

There is no "ism" at work here, just a ground swell against economic tyranny by the few... please do your homework before commenting.

It's been said many times before that communism (It's so funny how that word has been tossed around so much lately when people truly don't know a damn thing about Marx) looks perfect on paper. It's when you apply it to the human condition that the problems start to arise. I personally see that we as a race have reached a point which I call "Evolve or die." In the past you could always blame negative things about the human race to some innate evil (or we could say will to survive). However, we've quickly reached a point where this simply will not work any longer. We have come up with far too many sophisticated ways of destroying ourselves and the planet along with us. We've reached a boiling point so to say. So now it is on our shoulders to be the one's who consciously make the decision to honor other peoples needs and wants before our own. You can stop and say "that will never happen." Ok... well that means we as a race are doomed. We cannot keep these weapons from being used forever so according to that idea we are DOOMED (for you doomtards). OR like I said we make the CONSCIOUS decision to move beyond our survival instincts and replace selfishness with selflessness. Only when 100% of the people in the world decide to take care of each other will we ever move beyond this current paradigm we're stuck in. In my honest opinion I find this TABOO of communism is the perfect plot for TPTB. Hell what's the one way to prevent peace??? Show people how we can NEVER work together. So sure call me a communist... I'm not. I REFUSE to let a few ruling elite tell me what to do... But honestly is that REALLY a far cry from where we are in America now?? Do you really think we're that different from China?? I think we have the ILLUSION of freedom but that's about it. If we continue to use the reptilian (fight or flight not annunaki bs) portion of our brain we will not survive. We WILL kill ourselves. It's only a matter of time.