Illuminated for 500 Years

For years I have heard people talk about the Illuminati having the whole world in the palm of the their hands. Every time they are mentioned someone starts talking about the banks and Jews. Some time ago I thought, maybe the Catholics know something about the Illuminati, they have records on just about everything. So I went to the Catholic Encyclopedia and typed the word Illuminati in...'Alumbrados.' came up.



But before talking about the Alumbrados it is probably important to get a little bit of background of what was taking place in the Church at the time. It is not as if everybody within the Church were on the same side, their were powerful factions that were complete enemies, like the Borgia's and the Medici's. Just about anybody that was anybody during the the time period worked for these two families at one point or another. The Borgia's being the prototype that Machiavelli followed, but more then that they were just plain evil. And the Medici's being wealthy bankers that controlled Florence. Until a man came along and really stirred the pot, Giuliano Della Rovere, also known as Julius II, the Fearsome Pope, or my personal favorite, the Warrior Pope.

After trying to gain the position through manipulation a few times and creating problems and enemies in the process, Giuliano resorted to an ancient political tactic. The Catholic Encyclopedia says, "To ensure his success he made great promises to the cardinals, and did not hesitate to employ bribery." It then goes on to say that it was the shortest conclave in the history of the Papacy. So the election was rigged, the Pope had a lust for power, and the Cardinals were all conspirators. Julius fought against the Borgia's and caused a schism in the Church when he attacked France, he gained the help of Spain, England and Switzerland, ending the influence France had on Italy. He also brought in the Swiss Guard to defend himself.

When the Borgia's had power they kicked the Medici's out of Florence, but when Julius II took controlled he brought them back to run the show and streamlined their influence in the Church, that would change history forever. Giovanni di Lorenzo de' Medici or Leo X would become the very next Pope. He spent money like it was going out of style and in just two years the Vatican was in serious financial trouble, this was in 1515. Most likely he was using the debt of the Church to make his family even richer. And to pay for this debt he used the ignorant masses to finance construction and art throughout the Vatican, most notably St Peters Basilica. As the Catholic Encyclopedia puts it, "Various doubtful and reprehensible methods were resorted to for raising money. He created new offices and dignities, and the most exalted places were put up for sale. Jubilees and indulgences were degraded almost entirely into financial transactions." After continually messing things up the Cardinals decided to try and kill him. but Leo X found out had them punished and he replaced them all with Cardinals that could bring their own wealth into the Church. It was about at time that Martin Luther presented '95 Thesis' to the world, to argue that forgiveness of sins does not come from money but from God and the Pope should use his own money. As this was clearly not the way of the Church it caused widespread interest and a ultimately led to people waking up and seeing how the Church had abused them, leading to the Reformation.

The next Pope, Adrian VI, didn't like losing power, so he launched the Counter-Reformation. He didn't except the fact that the disorder of the Church could possibly be caused by the Church itself, so the Reformation spread and Adrian didn't really accomplish very much. Although the Medici's had influence over Adrian they had more when in the seat itself, so Clement VII was made the next Pope, a Medici. He had more of a militaristic view to evangelizing "by force and arms, if needful." But things just kept getting worse and worse for him and the Papacy, still unable to see that they were causing their own downfall. When the Reformation really took hold in England things got even worse as it reached the royalty and politicians. And so Pope Paul III a man who was raided at the court of Lorenzo de’ Medici turned to a military man from Spain to bring back the power of the Church. Ignatius of Loyola gathered a few very loyal men and created the Jesuits, he became the Superior General of the Society of Jesus. But the most interesting thing about the man is that he was accused of being an Alumbrados but was let off with a warning. The reason that this is interesting is because a couple hundred years later when the Jesuits were banned by the Pope with the 'Dominus ac Redemptor Noster" in 1773 the Bavarian Illuminati showed up in 1776 created by a man that taught in a Jesuit controlled school, Adam Weishaupt. The Alumbrados, or Illuminati, believed that their souls had reached perfection and it was impossible for them to do go or bad, that is how they justify their actions, no matter how evil they might be. But do not ever be mistaken, they were created with the purpose of trying to crush the protestants (protesters) and to bring everybody in the world under the power of the Catholic Church. After banning them Pope Clement XIV said this, Alas, I knew they [i.e., the Jesuits] would poison me; but I did not expect to die in so slow and cruel a manner, then he died in 1774.

But they made their comeback thanks to Napoleon, he crushed their enemies through Europe, took control of the Pope, his conquest was stopped at Russia, the only safe haven for Jesuits. The Pope was freed and in August 1814 reversed the suppression of the Jesuits. Napoleon was then allowed to lose the battle of Waterloo in 1815 as the TPTB had no more need for him. It's also interesting to note the the Rothchild's made it big at this time and have been the face of the Illuminati ever since. But I feel like they are just the mask that they Jesuits hide behind.



The Jesuits are a MILITARY organization, not a religious order. Their chief is a general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of this organization is power – power in its most despotic exercise – absolute power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms – and at the same time the greatest and most enormous of abuses." -Napoleon

Marquis de LaFayette said this about them based on his study of history, "It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country – the United States of America – are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies to civil and religious liberty. They have instigated most of the wars of Europe.” - Marquis de LaFayette

"I do not like the reappearance of the Jesuits...Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies can assume, dressed as printers, publishers, writers and schoolmasters? If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell, it is this Society of Loyola's. Nevertheless, we are compelled by our system of religious toleration to offer them an asylum...." -Thomas Jefferson

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Very well written and compiled! I absolutely enjoyed reading this post. The Illuminati have been a huge interest of mine for several decades and I have had to study much history to gain the understanding of this group that I now possess, spotty and small as it is.

I enjoy history but for many who find it dull and tedious this post will be a great recourse... S&F from this conspiracy nut

We should have seen this outcome a long time ago. Its money's fault. One person will build a family's wealth, when that person dies the wealth will be passed on ect... ect.. till eventually they have enough money to start influencing the world.

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Money is not the evil, it's the LOVE of money that is evil. I am not sure who it was that said it, maybe Henry Kissinger, that Power is the most seductive lust of all.....

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I was astounded a couple of years back when I started doing research on the illuminati.. and came across the information about the Jesuits..and how powerful they were..

You most likely have read some of this stuff, perhaps by different authors, on their history and what they have been involved with, in the link I will add to this post. There is a lot of information there..and some very interesting revelations about the Jesuits. They are very powerful , it seems.

I for one have never thought the Illuminati was just Jews.. though I do think some have blood lines in the illuminati as well.

The man who complied these "confessions" was a Vatican reporter at one time, and did extensive research for many years.. looking for answers to questions he had. I recommend you book mark it.. because its impossible to read them all at once.. and wow.. tons of info...and a real eye opener for me !!

www.arcticbeacon.com...

Of course there are many other colourful threads that weave into this complex tapestry of history but a great primer here OP. It is clear to all who observe history, that the imperative challenge for the human race is to reveal and resolve those among us who abandon conscience in quest for power. Because otherwise history seems to repeat endlessly.

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by 8ILlBILl8

 

Money is not the evil, it's the LOVE of money that is evil. I am not sure who it was that said it, maybe Henry Kissinger, that Power is the most seductive lust of all.....

2nd Timothy 6:10

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LOL thanks, I thought about putting the scripture notation in there but last time I did that the grief that ensued only took away from discussing that the MONEY is not the evil

So do you also know who it was that said power was the most seductive form of lust? I'm pretty sure it was Kissinger...but not positive

Top notch, quality thread my friend

S and f just don't seem adequate

reply to post by Cinaed


Yeah I think so... lol, after I posted that, it occurred to me that you were probably being sarcastic.

It's my understanding from reading some of the translated writings of the actual Bavarian Illuminati that the theory that they are one in the same with the Jesuits is false, and in-fact, although Weishaupt was indeed trained under Jesuits (as many were), he was their mortal enemy later in life.

I recommend giving this a read (Alumbrados is mentioned):

Illuminti Conspiracy Part Two: Sniffing out the Jesuits

And this source for some historic documents:

Illuminati Writings

reply to post by TheThirdAdam

I totally agree, the research and time the OP put into the post is above and beyond what we usually see in here.

My initial interest in the Illuminati originated with the Templars which is another huge interest of mine. I am still trying to decide if I feel they are one and the same group of peeps.

My knowledge base on the issue is much stronger genealogically than historical. At least as far back in history as the OP went. My historical research has been more through the War of the Roses time period which is fascinating. I do believe the Illuminati and the Templars both existed then, whether or not they are associated or one in the same is a great mystery in my world. I see how they could be and also how it's not likely.

I guess that is what gets to us conspiracy theorists

This is a great post and i absolutely love it. Everything seemed to be correct. I am ver familiar with illuminati and was sort of a part of it at one time. I am not saying i am illuminati but i have great knowledge of it.

Originally posted by demonologist842012
This is a great post and i absolutely love it. Everything seemed to be correct. I am ver familiar with illuminati and was sort of a part of it at one time. I am not saying i am illuminati but i have great knowledge of it.

It would be greatly appreciated if you felt you could share some of that knowledge with us.

Do you have any thoughts to share on the Jesuits?

I know they have done some great things as well....and run many universities.

Greg has interviewed a few, and there are some who wish to break away , but feel trapped, and feel they have no where to run to. Some have said that you cannot leave the Jesuits and live. Do you agree with this?

Thank you for any information you feel you can share.

Excellent thread OP.

I got to learn a lot more about the two controlling families, in Italy at that time.

Your thread points to "All Roads Leads To Rome"...It's inspired me to do more research on the history of the Church.

S+F.

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Isn't this true? www.abovetopsecret.com...
Aren't these Illuminati as well? Such a deep and fascinating subject with so many layers twists and turns. If it weren't for the Di Vinci Code, don't you think this would still be a big secret?
I agree with everyone here too, very well done and interesting information/thread. S&F

I had to look "Jesuit" up and was stuck by this...

The Society of Jesus ...is a Catholic male religious order that follows the teachings of the Catholic Church. The members are called Jesuits, and are also known colloquially as "God's Marines" and as "The Company," these being references to founder Ignatius of Loyola's military background and the members' willingness to go anywhere in the world and live in extreme conditions. The Society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations on six continents. The Society's founding principles are contained in the document Formula of the Institute, written by Ignatius of Loyola. Jesuits are known for their work in education (founding schools, colleges, universities and seminaries), intellectual research, and cultural pursuits, and for their missionary efforts. Jesuits also give retreats, minister in hospitals and parishes, and promote social justice and ecumenical dialogue.en.wikipedia.org...

and this

Rule 13 (of Ignatius' Rules for Thinking) with the Church said: "That we may be altogether of the same mind and in conformity, if [the Church] shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it to be black."

This must be where the expression, "they'll lie and we'll swear to it" came from.

Bookmarked

Thanks!

dictionary definition of jesuit.

Jesuit |ˈje zh oōit; ˈjez(y)oō-|
noun
a member of the Society of Jesus, a Roman Catholic order of priests founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, St. Francis Xavier, and others in 1534, to do missionary work. The order was zealous in opposing the Reformation. Despite periodic persecution it has retained an important influence in Catholic thought and education.
ORIGIN from French jésuite or modern Latin Jesuita, from Christian Latin Iesus (see Jesus ).

Peace

Very good and informative, thanks!

While I was reading your thread, I had a thought; remember the saying that people coming in the name of Jesus would be False Prophets?



Who present themselves more than the Jesuits as coming in His Name?...

Good thread - Hope to see more of the same.

My research indicates the "Illuminati" evolved as a result of the Romans / Roman Catholic exclusionary practices dating back to the time of Christ. In essence, the "Church" was empowered by the Romans and wiped out - exterminated - all other religions, especially Egyptian Hermeticism and ALL of the Gnostics (Manicheans, Paulinians, Cathars, Bogomils, etc). Their writings were confiscated, destroyed, hidden and excluded from the New Testament; hence the Dead Sea Scrolls and Gnostic Gospels being found.

This continued through the 1500's and beyond, while differing views of Christianity remained "underground," and is thought by some to have reemerged in the time of Martin Luther as a fringe occult known as the Enlightened Ones (Illuminati).

There are many views published on this but my question is this: Are they (Illuminati) considered "evil" because their views differ from the Catholic doctrine?