The Elenin Haters and a Simple Question

It is comments of ignorance and know it all's that make me absolutely despise ATS.

Let me point this out to everyone who thinks they KNOW about Elenin.

YOU DON'T.

You don't know if there is any merit to the Elenin doomsayers.
You don't know if Elenin is going to hit or not.
You don't know if Elenin is going to have any affect whatsoever on the Earth as it passes.
You don't know if Elenin is even broken apart.

YOU DON'T KNOW.

Now to point this out, I am no on the Elenin bandwagon, but I do not pretend like I KNOW about the situation. There are millions of possibilities involving every single comet that passes within close range of the Earth that COULD happen and when it comes to outer space, do not pretend like science has all the answers pertaining to our solar system much less the rest of the universe.

It is the sarcastic comments in all the other threads of people who THINK they know it all that proves to me that people on Earth have not changed one bit since the dark ages. Do remember that people once KNEW that the Earth was FLAT, they KNEW that the Earth was the center of the solar system and the sun revolved around it, they KNEW that they could transform any substance into gold.

Here is what you KNOW about Elenin:

Elenin is a long orbit comet.
The information surrounding this comet was scarce compared to others in the past.
The original path of this comet placed it moving relatively close to the Earth.
Unconfirmed rumors have claimed that the comet broken up and thus slowed down.
IF these rumors are true and the comet slowed down, there is a possibility of a very near Earth pass or even an Earth collision.


Now why is this comet different from the rest? Well for starters the secrecy and the withholding of information for so long. Not only that but a series of (coincidental?) occurrences with alignments of the comet, and the fact that it matches a lot of (coincidental?) similarities to "end times" comets.

This does not mean that it is guaranteed to be so - it simply means that the possibility is there and should not be discounted. I believe what I hate more on this site more than all the Elenin threads, is the people who post in them making FUN of the posters who are actually trying to research the subject rather than assume that they have all the information, and assuming that NASA, an organization with a highly questionable past, is telling the truth about it whatsoever.

With that said, my experience on Elenin is this. According to the NASA orbital diagram, the comet was original set to pass through Earth's orbital path on October 18th. If the break up of the comet is true and it is slowing down, it only needs to slow down its projected path by 15 days to either collide or nearly pass the Earth. This is not assumption or rhetoric - this is fact. If the comet slows down, there is a HIGH chance impact with Earth according to NASA's own data.

If the orbit of the comet was affect in anyway by the "explosion" that was monitored, say it was blown of course by a little bit, it also could pass Earth's orbit a little early or a little late. However, at this time it seems that we are unable to get an updates from what people consider "credible" sources, so we are forces to wait and watch patiently as this all unfolds.

That is what I am going to do, and meanwhile I am going to hope for the best. But at the same time I am also going to hope for the worst so that all the people who thought they KNEW what was going to happen can be proven wrong just like all the rest throughout history.




Now as for my simple yet, I believe intriguing, question - what exactly is Elenin orbiting? Are we supposed to believe that with the orbit it has, and how potentially far away it is supposed to go, that it is under the orbit of our Sun?

reply to post by gwydionblack


I agree with every word you said..
s&f

oh btw.
get ready to be trolled

Elenin

Ele Nin

Eleven Nine

Nine Eleven.

Dooms day comet or whatever it is, code named elenin? Sounds too much of a coincidence.

I think this one should be moved to rant

Originally posted by filosophia
Elenin

Ele Nin

Eleven Nine

Nine Eleven.

Dooms day comet or whatever it is, code named elenin? Sounds too much of a coincidence.

If that's how you would think about it...then that would mean November 9th. not nine eleven...that barely makes ........why do i even bother...

reply to post by gwydionblack

Do remember that people once KNEW that the Earth was FLAT, they KNEW that the Earth was the center of the solar system and the sun revolved around it, they KNEW that they could transform any substance into gold.

um know? No, they thought those things, then used SCIENCE to prove them wrong, the very same basic science that proves Elenin is a standard pathetic little comet and we really shouldn't be worried about it. So, if you are going to use the earth not being the center of the solar system to show how we were wrong, you have to understand the same science that proved the earth orbits the sun, is used to plot the trajectories of comets.

Well for starters the secrecy and the withholding of information for so long.

See, you are just making crap up. Nasa hasn't withheld any information on this comet and there is no secrecy, you can go read oddles of information on it over at nasa.gov

Not only that but a series of (coincidental?) occurrences with alignments of the comet, and the fact that it matches a lot of (coincidental?) similarities to "end times" comets.

coincidental at best as there were alignments without "effects" (I assume you mean quakes) and quakes without alignments. As well, there is absolutely no science to suggest that a small ball,mostly ice, millions of miles away can have any effect on earth at all. It's a comet, it can't.

If the orbit of the comet was affect in anyway by the "explosion" that was monitored, say it was blown of course by a little bit, it also could pass Earth's orbit a little early or a little late.

by explosion I assume you are referring to that youtube video (stereo?) showing a LENSE FLARE as I think mercury enters the frame. There was no explosion. some astronomers suggested, from recent images, that the comet might have broken up (which isn't out of the ordinary)

It's a small comet, even if it was coming right at us a lot of matter will burn off as it enters the solar system and gets close to the sun, and the rest will more than likely burn up if it tries to enter the atmosphere. Depending on the angle, it could bounce right off too.

who are actually trying to research the subject rather than assume that they have all the information, and assuming that NASA, an organization with a highly questionable past, is telling the truth about it whatsoever.

questionable? Please explain. Secondly, I find it hilarious that, on the one hand, you are using NASA data to say Elenin might kill us, why saying don't believe NASA they always lie, on the other.

You've got to pick one or the other or you just look foolish.

So, going from your post, you like most others "researched" by reading several Elenin threads here, and nothing more.

If you are so concerned over Elenin, what about honda? It's bigger and passing closer? Why not predict certain doom on that day?

I'm all for being prepared, but you are basing your preparedness on pseudo-science and conjecture.

I know zetatalk right. well i read it and this is what they had to say on the subject.

Good bye, good riddance, but will this be an end to the Elenin disinformation? Elenin was quickly commandeered to be the tool of the cover-up, as it is a tiny comet, new to the field, so does not have a history for comparison. The cover-up roles re Elenin were that NASA would play the sober realist, assuring the public that is was merely a dirty snowball and would cause no harm. But NASA gave Elenin undue focus in the news, providing images and talking it up and explaining the trajectory which was projected to pass by the Earth. Now that the public was somewhat alarmed, the second side of the campaign took over, to theorize and speculate and make unproven claims. Elenin was huge, bigger than Jupiter. Elenin was under intelligent control. Elenin was being followed close behind by Nibiru. Elenin would cause a pole shift, and was surely responsible for all the Earth changes that seemed to be on the rise, lately. This was a well funded campaign, with notaries such as Hoagland on board, flooding the Internet. The cover-up over the truth about Planet X and the pending passage was thrilled. All the Earth changes up until the passage by Earth and for months after could be blamed on Elenin! But suddenly things changed! Tiny Elenin, nothing more than ice and dust, was not venting steam into a brilliant tail but instead steam explosions were pushing the snowball apart, disintegrating. Although it is quite common for comets to disintegrate when they draw near the Sun, Elenin was assisted in this regard. The Council of Worlds allowed an interference to put an end to the campaign, which was considered a direct assault on the people of Earth and their right to be informed and to take steps to save themselves and their loved ones during the coming passage. Increasingly, steps will be taken to expose and disarm the cover-up, with the consequences likely to be that an angry public is demanding the truth.

reply to post by filosophia


So the governemnt gave birth to lenoid elenin just for this?

Originally posted by Juggernutty

Originally posted by filosophia
Elenin

Ele Nin

Eleven Nine

Nine Eleven.

Dooms day comet or whatever it is, code named elenin? Sounds too much of a coincidence.

If that's how you would think about it...then that would mean November 9th. not nine eleven...that barely makes ........why do i even bother...

The date of YU55's 'closest' ever approach. Every 11 years on Nov 9th, YU55 has been getting progressively closer.

That is why you should even bother.

st.

Well said my friend, s+f

Bit i struggle to understand and find reason with is the fact it comes round how many thousands of years of its long orbit. But this year, this time round its 'broke up'.

Really odd.

reply to post by gwydionblack

Now why is this comet different from the rest? Well for starters the secrecy and the withholding of information for so long. Not only that but a series of (coincidental?) occurrences with alignments of the comet, and the fact that it matches a lot of (coincidental?) similarities to "end times" comets.

What secrecy? It was entered into the IAU database immediately and people have been observing it nightly since its discovery. It was announced in a routine Sky & Telescope back in December. Amateurs have posted their photographs of it on the web. Anyone can check out its orbital parameters at the JPL webpage. Anyone can access the images taken by STEREO. Nothing has been withheld. The "alignments" have been shown time and again to be statistically insignificant. Most importantly every comet matches "end times comets" because comets are comets!

If the orbit of the comet was affect in anyway by the "explosion" that was monitored, say it was blown of course by a little bit, it also could pass Earth's orbit a little early or a little late.

What explosion? What is being hyped as an explosion on YouTube is nothing more than a lens flare. Please do some research.

Now as for my simple yet, I believe intriguing, question - what exactly is Elenin orbiting? Are we supposed to believe that with the orbit it has, and how potentially far away it is supposed to go, that it is under the orbit of our Sun?

It is orbiting our Sun. What else could it possibly be orbiting? If you don't believe the orbital parameters are correct, then that just blows the "alignment" theory out of the water, doesn't it? All of those theories are based on the JPL's orbital visualizer, right? So who are you going to believe?

Star and Flag for YOU my friend. When they dont have the answers they resort to caveman logic and idiotic rethoric akin to that of our current leaders when trying to cover up their fumbles, planned or otherwise.


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reply to post by gwydionblack


You claim that there's secrecy and a lack of information about this comet. Would you care to point me in the direction of all the articles on the 100 or so other comets discovered last year? Elenin is getting way more attention than any other comets of its size and magnitude. Also even if Elenin were slowing down (it's not) it still wouldn't hit Earth. In just a few days Elenin will be above the ecliptic. This means that Elenin would go sailing over our heads. As for your final question, there are a number of hypotheses to explain to orbits of long-period comets. I personally lean towards the hypothesis that a rogue star passed by our solar system sometime in the past.

Originally posted by gwydionblack

Here is what you KNOW about Elenin:

Elenin is a long orbit comet.

Okay...

The information surrounding this comet was scarce compared to others in the past.

C/2010 X1 was just discovered at the end of last year. How fast do you expect information about such a new comet to be gathered?
Also... do you actually "KNOW" this, or is it just your opinion?

The original path of this comet placed it moving relatively close to the Earth.

Here's an image of the JPL diagram as it was at the end of March: C/2010 X1 Orbit Diagram
(Source)

You'll notice, nothing much has changed. The original path of C/2010 X1 placed it exactly where currently models place it.

Unconfirmed rumors have claimed that the comet broken up and thus slowed down.

I want you to tell me how you "KNOW" that the break-up of a comet would slow it down.

Now as for my simple yet, I believe intriguing, question - what exactly is Elenin orbiting? Are we supposed to believe that with the orbit it has, and how potentially far away it is supposed to go, that it is under the orbit of our Sun?

So, now you're going to believe our scientific orbit data?
The least you could do is understand the data. Current models put C/2010 X1 well beyond the gravitational system of the Sun prior to its current orbit. This is the first time it has ever entered the solar system, let alone the inner solar system, and its successive orbits will continue to change until it stabilizes (if it does so).
The actual answer to your question, then, is that C/2010 X1 does not, yet, have an actual orbit. The orbit that is being established, and will continue to be established for the next few thousand years, is heliocentric. There is no other influencing body.

Here is what I KNOW about Elenin...I KNOW that I don't care about it at all.


The credible information says it isn't going to hit...conspiracy theorist with absolutely no expertise in astronomy say that information is false


Let's say it is false and it is going to hit...yeah...I don't care...I can't stop it...I couldn't "prepare" for something like that...I'll just roll with the punches.


I don't waste time worrying about things I have no control over.

Poor dead horse is nearly unrecognizable by now.

I don't think there's anything to be said from either camp about Elenin that hasn't already been said. The OP is correct, none of us KNOW anything.. That being said, the accusatory finger should be pointed not only at those trying to debunk the Elenin doom scenarios, but also those trying to spread them.

reply to post by InshaAllah


Oh Nancy, always with the lying. I believe she has her order of events wrong there. People freaked out over this comet and then NASA published their articles telling people to stop freaking out. In fact when this whole Elenin charade started people were trying to use the fact that NASA wasn't saying anything about Elenin as proof of a cover-up.

Are there really people who "hate" a comet, really?

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Would you like me to list a number of scientific "truths" that ended up being wrong? I could, but a simple Google search would suffice.

See, you are just making crap up. Nasa hasn't withheld any information on this comet and there is no secrecy, you can go read oddles of information on it over at nasa.gov

Excuse me? When Elenin was first discovered it took MONTHS before NASA finally decided to release information on it to the public. In the meantime speculation ran rampant.

coincidental at best as there were alignments without "effects" (I assume you mean quakes) and quakes without alignments. As well, there is absolutely no science to suggest that a small ball,mostly ice, millions of miles away can have any effect on earth at all. It's a comet, it can't.

Do you see me suggesting anything? On the contrary I am simply laying out the possibility of what could be happening. For your information I am not suggesting that the comet it doing anything, but I am wondering exactly what it is orbiting for thoughts that whatever it may be MIGHT be causing something.

questionable? Please explain. Secondly, I find it hilarious that, on the one hand, you are using NASA data to say Elenin might kill us, why saying don't believe NASA they always lie, on the other.

Well trust me - if there was an alternative to NASA I would certainly go with it. I don't find it funny at all. And thank you for putting words in my mouth, because I don't remember saying not to believe NASA that "they always lie" anywhere in my post.





reply to post by Xcalibur254

You claim that there's secrecy and a lack of information about this comet. Would you care to point me in the direction of all the articles on the 100 or so other comets discovered last year?

I said there WAS. I did not say that anything was withheld currently because I just do not know. It was the lack of information early on that led to the outlandish theories being created in the first place.


reply to post by CLPrime

C/2010 X1 was just discovered at the end of last year. How fast do you expect information about such a new comet to be gathered? Also... do you actually "KNOW" this, or is it just your opinion?

I like to follow NEO as they come about. Based on experience of new NEOs being discovered, information regarding them is usually given out the day they are publicly announced. With Elenin this was not the case, and I believe it took nearly 2-3 months before 'official' information was released regarding it.

Here's an image of the JPL diagram as it was at the end of March: C/2010 X1 Orbit Diagram (Source)

You'll notice, nothing much has changed. The original path of C/2010 X1 placed it exactly where currently models place it.

I notice nothing has changed because the diagram has not been updated. I followed the diagram closely before the rumored "break up" and it it the exact same figures as before.

I want you to tell me how you "KNOW" that the break-up of a comet would slow it down.

I don't. That is usually why I put something like "unconfirmed rumors have claimed" not me.

The actual answer to your question, then, is that C/2010 X1 does not, yet, have an actual orbit. The orbit that is being established, and will continue to be established for the next few thousand years, is heliocentric. There is no other influencing body.

So you are saying, that this body moves in an elliptical orbit for no reason besides chance? And you are also assuming to know that it has NEVER entered our solar system before when you know damn well that such a statement cannot be proven.

Originally posted by gwydionblack

I like to follow NEO as they come about. Based on experience of new NEOs being discovered, information regarding them is usually given out the day they are publicly announced. With Elenin this was not the case, and I believe it took nearly 2-3 months before 'official' information was released regarding it.

I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

I notice nothing has changed because the diagram has not been updated. I followed the diagram closely before the rumored "break up" and it it the exact same figures as before.

And yet you say it was just a rumored break-up. Why would JPL be updating their orbit ephemeris for an event that may or may not have occurred? And, even if C/2010 X1 is disintegrating, it brings us back to the issue of whether or not such a break-up would slow it down. The conservation of momentum says the fragments, while still being a single system, would move at the exact same velocity, along the exact same trajectory.

However, what you first said is that the orbit diagram was changed from what it originally was. It hasn't.

So you are saying, that this body moves in an elliptical orbit for no reason besides chance?

No, it isn't moving in an elliptical orbit. It has been captured by the sun, and is now entering what will be a varying elliptical orbit.