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Originally posted by jmdewey60
If you have some sort of evidence to back up any of these claims, then go ahead and present it.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
You also have the remarkable prophecy fulfilled to the very day Israel would again become a nation. Written thousands of years before May 14, 1948. You're as wrong as you can be on the nation of Israel, her right to the land through the Abrahamic land covenant of Genesis 17, and the near return of the Messiah Jesus Christ to gather His church, then focus on the Jews until they accept their Messiah during the Great Tribulation. Repent JM, the sheep in goats judgement is primarily about how countries and individuals treated the Jews and the nation of Israel.
What does "focus on the Jews" mean.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
If he is so good, then you should understand it.
He one of the best Bible teachers in existence. He's been teaching it for 50 years. His resume compared to you is ridiculous. And I'm going to point out that you provided zero of his arguments/statements and shown them to be wrong. And did exactly what I said you'd do... resort to ad hominem fallacies.
How about you presenting the points because I can't watch the video.
He's just saying, "Don't get technical on me."
I had a girlfriend like that. She would say, "So what's the difference?"
I would say, "One is the truth and one is a lie."
She would be like, "And . . ?"
I know that you may not like this theology, But it is very well known and taught.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Mividau
I know that you may not like this theology, But it is very well known and taught.
I think that is the difference, how old you are when you are introduced to the "Land of God" philosophy.
If one is very young, they accept it as a point of faith. I was already eighteen years old when I first heard it and had not incorporated it into my personal religion so when I did see it, I could look at it objectively and see it was clearly bunk.
I get what your perspective is and agree. What you need to understand is the spirit of Yahweh you need to tap into in order to just rob and murder your way into possessing it instead of waiting on the Most High God, who Jesus knew. Jesus pointed out to the Jews of his day that they had rejected the God of Abraham and had accepted only the murderer.
There is a Most High God who Abraham did not see, who made a covenant that at some point his descendants would inherit all the land, including all the bits that he had been traveling around in. He said He would repeat the promise to the succeeding generations.
If it truly is "clearly bunk" you should be more than capable of showing where in scripture God annulled His everlasting land covenant with Israel.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
There is a Most High God who Abraham did not see, who made a covenant that at some point his descendants would inherit all the land, including all the bits that he had been traveling around in. He said He would repeat the promise to the succeeding generations.
If it truly is "clearly bunk" you should be more than capable of showing where in scripture God annulled His everlasting land covenant with Israel.
So many generations later, a self righteous murderer was out in the desolate wasteland and saw a god-like person who told him that he could bring about the fulfilment of the promise if he was up to doing a lot more murder.
The result of the union between the Messiah of death, and the god of death was a contract to kill all the inhabitants of the land by bloody murder, then just stealing the land.
Jesus came to break the contract and being of a god-like nature himself, to a higher status even of the killer god, his own sacrificial death was sufficient to nullify the Covenant of Death.
The original covenant by the Most High God still stands.edit on 27-8-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
If you are talking about a covenant other than the one made with Abraham, you are going to have to specify which one.
Is asking and expecting you to provide scriptural support a lost cause? Am I wasting my time with that? Feels kinda like it.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
If you are talking about a covenant other than the one made with Abraham, you are going to have to specify which one.
Is asking and expecting you to provide scriptural support a lost cause? Am I wasting my time with that? Feels kinda like it.
The Covenant that Moses made was annulled.
Any scripture?? You have yet to show a single passage showing God annulled His everlasting covenant with the seed of Abraham. And this is despite me asking in more than one thread for more than 2 days.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
The Covenant that Moses made was annulled.
Any scripture?? You have yet to show a single passage showing God annulled His everlasting covenant with the seed of Abraham. And this is despite me asking in more than one thread for more than 2 days.
Again, what does that have anything to do with the Abrahamic land covenant that God said was an "everlasting" covenant between Him and Abraham as well as his seed after him?
I've seen one verse in 2 days from Hebrews that had absolutely nothing to do with the land covenant.
GAL 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.
GAL 4:24 These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
GAL 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Gal3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
2CO 3:7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
RO 4:13 It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.
14 For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15 because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
RO 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring--not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17 As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed--the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
The everlasting covenant was made usable by Jesus bringing about everlasting life.
Apparently you do not accept Christianity and want to cling to Moses because he is the one who advocated taking the land by force.
So by rejecting Jesus and his covenant you will be judged by Moses.
Those were the Hebrews who became known as the Israelites.
For one thing, Moses was called and led by God to bring the Jews to the promised land.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Those were the Hebrews who became known as the Israelites.
For one thing, Moses was called and led by God to bring the Jews to the promised land.
I think you are trying the cloud the issue by putting ancient history into terms that fit your view of the current situation and to ignore the fact that there were eleven tribes besides Judah.
All you did was post some links, you never presented anything or proved anything here.
The words are used interchangeably by both Nehemiah and Ezra after the Babylonian captivity. Peter uses both to address people in Acts. Jews, Israelities are synonyms. It's already been show here that the "10 lost tribes" myth is just that, a myth.
I appreciate you sharing actual Bible verses. I really do.
"Thy seed" when God was speaking to Eve is a medical contradiction.
The woman can't be the church because the bride of Christ is a virgin bride, the woman in Revelation is pregnant.
Word records Israel being regathered and set back in the land with Jerusalem as it's capital. The exodus from the north was far greater than the exodus from Egypt. And it was accurate to the day May 14, 1948.