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Originally posted by CaDreamer
reply to post by Helious
Obama is the duly elected president of the united states by its people and its electorate. he is not a dictator. i think you need to invest in a dictionary. please also look up the words partisan, and troll.
Originally posted by BlackStar99
I wonder if ATS will hide this thread like the last one...
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Helious
Actually, the police are rogue. They are this way because the communities they "serve and protect" continue to grant them unlimited power, making them judge, juries, and executioners on the streets, all in the name of "tough on crime"
You don't like what the police are doing? organize your community to strip them of the absolute power you schmucks have invested in them. don't stick your toes up your nose and blather about some rapidly-aging guy on the other side of the continent.
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by BlackStar99
I wonder if ATS will hide this thread like the last one...
There is no need to hide this thread, it is not a call to arms. It is aimed at the absurdity of a POTUS of a nation in a tailspin because of it's absurd politics, funding and lobbying rules that has become "run amok" and is no longer a structure that is desired by the people.
You can not have a president of a country filled with people who no longer want the government telling another government there leader has no legitimacy. It's well, stupid.
Originally posted by BlackStar99
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by BlackStar99
I wonder if ATS will hide this thread like the last one...
There is no need to hide this thread, it is not a call to arms. It is aimed at the absurdity of a POTUS of a nation in a tailspin because of it's absurd politics, funding and lobbying rules that has become "run amok" and is no longer a structure that is desired by the people.
You can not have a president of a country filled with people who no longer want the government telling another government there leader has no legitimacy. It's well, stupid.
I'm not attacking you, ATS literally hid this thread: www.abovetopsecret.com... from new topics and firehose. Unless of course it's just a confined incident?
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Helious
You really don't know how this works, do you?
Your statements are, fir the most part factually correct. The conclusion you draw from them is just damned ridiculous, though. The federal government does not control the police.
Fact is, in many communities, nobody controls the police... And the sad thing, it's the community itself that created the problem.
Think of all the local elections and votes and city council meetings and whatnot. How many times have you voted for pro-police measures? Increased funding? "Tough" judges? Authoritarian commissioners? Ever supported a proposal that would strengthen the prison industry in your locale?
If you've participated in local voting, I'm pretty sure you have - most people do. After all, we're trained from birth that the police are the "good guys" and we need to give them all the help we can to make sure they get the "bad guys," right? I know I was brought up with that outlook.
So community after community, pressed by fear of "thugs" and "criminality" (unsurprisingly, through ad campaignss paid for by one police group or another) basically gives their police forces a blank check to buy military-grade hardware, circumvent law, and turn blind eyes to the crime sprees of the police.
Barack Obama has jack # to do with it. George Bush had jack # to do with it. It's a local problem for each community infested with such "police" and the community needs to do something about it - with support from other afflicted communities if need be.
Frankly if I'm going to have highly-armed gangbangers in blue running around my neighborhood, I'd rather it be the Crips - at least their barbeques are free.
Obama is the duly elected president of the united states by its people and its electorate.
Originally posted by Helious
You make good points and I can tell your an intelligent person, so please do not let my response be interpreted as disrespect or one of a condescending nature.
The simple fact is, you don't have communities.... You have states, communities derive the vast majority of there funds not from the local community but from the county. The county receives there "grants" from the state and per compliance the states get there money from the federal government, that money coming from enforcing federal laws and policies.
Sure, any state, county, municipality can choose not to enforce said law or policy, the problem comes in at this time because not many departments can fund themselves, instead, they rely on federal money handed out to "good states" because they do this or that, local taxes are a joke, they money comes in through federal grants and incentives for states to do what there told, that translates to the county and local level.