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Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by MasterGemini
The air itself is about 80% nitrogen. That is one reagent we have no shortage of.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by youdidntseeme
Hey, hey, HEY! Careful of putting ideas in heads, man, we smokers have all the trouble we need already.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Kitilani
They release oxygen, but they do not breathe at all. There is no respiration in flora as there is in fauna.
In "An Inconvenient Truth", Gore indicated that plants breathe in carbon dioxide during the spring/summer and exhale it during the fall/winter. The actuality is that all chlorophyll-based plant life absorbs carbon dioxide during photosynthesis and emits oxygen as a byproduct of that photosynthesis. They do not emit carbon dioxide other than in response to an inability to utilize what is absorbed.
Interestingly enough, this same process recycles ground water from the root systems through the leaves, cooling the immediate area through evaporational cooling. Of course, no one is to mention that little 'inconvenient truth'...
Gah, I despise Al Gore... spawn of a corrupt politician, made a poor excuse for a 'farmer' (never picked the first tobacco leaf himself), a poor excuse for a politician, a poor excuse for an activist, and not even that much success playing 'scientist'.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by MasterGemini
Originally posted by NoHierarchy
I'M WITH AL GORE 100% ON THIS
He's right in what he says and he's right in using the extreme language. What Gore and others (who follow actual science) face when up against the ridiculous, unscientific, and corrupt arguments of deniers, their media sources, and those who fund false denial completely warrants frustration and shaming of those who spout ignorance in the face of the entirety of science. It's gotten completely out of hand and when dealing with such corrupt stupidity, I believe profanities are warranted.
Check out my thread debunking denier BULLS****:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
And a carbon tax saves the world how?
LoL yeah rage all you like. Huff and Puff all you want.
Save the world LMAO. With a tax! LMFAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Okay next lets outlaw breaking the law! HAHAHAHAHA
You do know that he plagiarized in his film and used fake images of glaciers right?edit on 9-8-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)
Not just that be he is on the board of directors for APPLE the least environmentally friendly company on the planet! Just go to greenpeace the bastions of global warming to see this guys is full of manbearpig!edit on 9-8-2011 by MasterGemini because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by tyson45
im sorry i may be mistaken, but didnt i just see a NASA study that says all this global warming stuff is bs? something about the co2 actually not being trapped in the atmosphere? Even if thats false i honestly dont believe we are causing it. Climate change has happened many times before and will continue to happen.
Originally posted by louieprima
The NASA study does not discount global warming so much as prove that there is a lot of alarmist hoopla in the sense that the raving pro-global warming advocates are exaggerating the dangers. Also, it is certainly fact that CERN scientists were effectually gagged about their recent experiment which offered other reasons for warming than human created CO2.
And even if the worst of the chicken littles were correct, Cap and Trade is the biggest scam plan I've ever heard of. It's worthy of the Banking/Finance elite. And The UN is a corrupt, inefficient, and ridiculous organization.
Originally posted by connorromanow
Kind of ironic how he sounded like Alex jones one if his critics. As for having pseudo scientist saying no global warming, the great global warming swindle has actual scientists presenting actual data that contradicts what his film claims.
Would be interesting to see the scientists behind the global warming swindle and the ones that helped with an inconveinent truth debate
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Kitilani
No, you miss the point.
Plants do not give off carbon dioxide. That was the insinuation Al Gore made, that during the winter they were spewing out CO2 like an animal would do. That is completely, absolutely, unconditionally false.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Kitilani
They release oxygen, but they do not breathe at all. There is no respiration in flora as there is in fauna.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
I will admit that "An Inconvenient Truth" was intended for a general audience; I typically use such simplified explanations here on ATS (and occasionally get lambasted for simplifying things myself). But when simplifying, is it reasonable to include minor effects irrelevant to the overall point?
Al Gore said that plants during the summer 'breathe in' carbon dioxide and during the winter 'breathe out' carbon dioxide. The truth is that they actually produce no, zero, nada, zip carbon dioxide internally. The emitted carbon dioxide is what has been absorbed and cannot be used for whatever reason. Fauna respires carbon dioxide from the reduction of carbon in food, a process used to create energy. Plants do not eat food (with the possible exception of a few species such as the Venus flytrap, which would, yes, emit carbon dioxide); plants use solar radiation to convert carbon dioxide to oxygen and simple sugars.
Flora does not perform photosynthesis all of the time, and this is where the confusion comes in. Photosynthesis consists of two different chemical processes, one which runs all the time (except in the dead of winter, to be accurate) and another which runs only when there is sunlight (commonly called the light reaction). Any carbon dioxide absorbed when both processes are running will be detected as an emission shortly after the light process has ceased. But this is no different than pumping gas into the tank of a running car: if the tank overflows, it does not mean the car is producing gasoline. It means the tank cannot hold any more gasoline. When plants emit carbon dioxide it simply means they have absorbed more than they can use and some is lost from extraneous chemical reactions inside the plant.
It is also a fact that higher carbon dioxide levels lead to a faster photosynthetic effect (increased growth). This is commonly used in commercial nursery greenhouses to increase profits. That is much more germane to the issue of carbon dioxide production vs. carbon dioxide sinking than trying to explain how plants actually produce the gas when it is in fact not true.
So which is it? Was Gore trying to simplify an explanation for an uneducated audience or was he muddying the waters? From where I sit, the waters don't look very clear. And apparently they look muddy to others as well, considering that his 'documentary' (my apologies to real documentaries) has been legally banned in some countries from use as a teaching aid due to numerous scientific inaccuracies.
This is just one of those inaccuracies.
TheRedneck
Plants, like the majority of life on earth (some bacteria and most archaeans are exceptions) use Oxygen as a core part of their metabolism; aerobic respiration. Without oxygen, they cannot break down the sugars they produce via photosynthesis, obviously.
Third time; it absolutely is true. Third time, again; plants use aerobic respiration, just like the vast majority of life on earth. if you were to seal a plant in a container with everything it normally has except oxygen, it would die, and it would die rapidly; it would starve to death because it would be unable to make its metabolism function.
You're just shockingly uneducated about the subject, and should probably avoid chiming in until you learn at least the basics.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Kitilani
Simplified:
Plants: absorb carbon dioxide, perform photosynthesis to create sugars, emit oxygen.
Animals: breathe in to get oxygen, 'burn' (oxidize) sugars for energy, breathe out carbon dioxide.
TheRedneck