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I'm working on this, I thought I would let you know that I am. It takes me a bit to see what you are referring to and what you are getting at. For right now, I think what pthena is talking about is important. There are differences between different prophets in the OT, and they did not agree with each other. Isaiah did not agree with himself so a lot of Bible scholars think there were three or four people writing under that name.
Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by jmdewey60
anyway that chapter 3 seems to speak of two comings and that last part seemed strange because he's speaking to the people shut inside his house, so ancient technology, bullhorn? remember Jesus/Isaiah say does'nt cry out and no hearing voice in the streets the son of man seems clear enough when considering Stephen looking to the heavens before being stoned makes me think of the Jerusalem above or we who are many make up one body
Right, the missing letters. Fundamentalist believe that God protected the Bible from tampering,
Why is it then that all we end up with is three verifiable forgeries, namely I & II Timothy and Titus?
LeoVirgo and pthena used to have a few good conversations. I used to get into it with her before I realized she was essentially right. I used to know people at church who would tell me, "God does not kill people" and no argument could make them change their minds. They were onto something but had no way to prove it. Now we have the internet to find people who agree and know how to explain what it is that they feel.
Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by jmdewey60
do you, pthena or whoever know any history in original writings where YA or Ya used to appear before Yah or Yahweh? or anything relative to YA period? Leo (whats her name) and someone a while back had mentioned something in a thread that really got my attention, just curious and is somewhat related to other languages like Ya'cov or Ya'RuSalem which I see no problem with it's when they say only Yiddish or Greek matters, it's a secret or Jesus means (fill in the blank with a lie) when it becomes an issue
Idolatry is how I think about it. People want a god to worship and are not satisfied with one they can't see. They can vicariously worship God through a sacred people. Back in the day, I am sure there were very devout believers in the idols. Feeling an excitement about a supernatural thing gets people going. There is a psychological warfare going on to get people to engage in actual warfare by playing on those feelings. "My God" oh it is so wonderful and it is really my God" as if they own it. "and here is the proof of that God, right here in this holy people, written of in the sacred writings of the very holiest men of God" They get all puffed up with pride that they are so gifted to recognize the godly while others, the backwards people we need to despise and are evil because they do not look at these people and see God", just like the devotees to the idol, they look at to what seems to the un-devout, a mere stone, and see in that carved figure, God. It is the same exact thing and they don't see it as idolatry, instead of a stone idol, they want to erect a stone temple for their sacred holy people of God to bring God to life, like the idolaters of old brought their statues to life.
Originally posted by Rustami
reply to post by jmdewey60
that is still something not many these days comprehend I suspect, in most instances specially in the NT it is dealing with dieing to the flesh/law/self, like "by his death all died""as in Adam all" do -our flesh, I don't see God favoring one above another any longer except whatever one a newborn may be, my daughters have some kind of Hebrew/Jewish in them that have yet to figure out is the best definition, and definately a Hebrew or Jewish woman was relative to when I heard the voice, but they also have Apache, Cherokee, German, African, Polish, Spanish, Irish, Italian, Swedish etc., which ancestor should I stand for in all this racial tension warfare?
HEB 11:13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country--a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
it's a secret or Jesus means (fill in the blank with a lie) when it becomes an issue
Speaking in unauthorized tongues, then.
I can now say what the "gift of tongues" really is.
It was a serious social taboo for anyone to be heard speaking Greek in the "holy city" Jerusalem. Diaspora Jews from the Greek speaking world, remained silent while visiting Jerusalem for religious festivals. On the day of Pentecost Peter stood in Jerusalem and in a loud voice proclaimed Jesus as the Christ IN GREEK, and he was not afraid