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Originally posted by Heliocentric
Studies of Neanderthal skulls show that – on an average – the Neanderthal brain was slightly larger than that of Homo Sapiens. The capacity of the Neanderthal brain in terms of size was between 1,350 and 1,700 cubic centimeters with the average being 1,400 to 1,450 cubic cm. The mean cranial capacity of modern man (all races included) is 1,370 cubic cm, with a range of 950 to 2,200 cubic cm.
When we compare average brain size between Caucasian, Asian and African populations, we find that there is equally a difference. By adulthood, East Asians average 16 cubic cm more cranial capacity than Caucasians, who average 82 cubic cm more than sub-Saharan Africans.
Is it pure coincidence that the Homo sapiens that interbred with a parallel species of humans with an average larger brain capacity, has an average larger brain capacity than the Homo Sapiens that didn't?
The brains of Neanderthals and humans were similar at birth but developed differently in the first year of life, according to a German study published Monday in the United States. Brains of newborn human babies and Neanderthals, who became extinct about 28,000 years ago, were about the same size and appear almost identical at first, said the research which appeared in the journal Current Biology.
But after birth and particularly during the first year of life the differences in development are stark, said lead author Phillipp Gunz of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany.
"There was a huge difference in the way they grew their brain compared to modern humans in the first one-and-a-half and two years," Gunz told AFP.
To compare the two brains, scientists assembled a virtual Neanderthal brain by scanning skull fragments and comparing the computer models at different stages of growth to the human baby brain.
The human brain began much more activity in neural circuitry in the first year of life, which may have helped early Homo sapiens survive in the process of natural selection, the study said.
"The interesting thing is within modern humans, the size of the brain correlates only very weakly with any measure of intelligence," he said. "It's more the internal structure of the brain that is important."
"And the Neanderthal, they were smart because they had a huge brain," he added, "but we think that internal structures must have been different because they grew differently, so we don't think the Neanderthal saw the world as we do."
Neanderthals are believed to be modern humans' closest ancestor, and some scientists view both as the same species.
In May a landmark genome analysis determined that humans most likely interbred with Neanderthals, and that as much as four percent of the modern human genome seems to be from Neanderthals.
From an evolutionary perspective, it is considered unlikely that any species would develop a large(r) brain for no good reason, since the brain is the most energy-consuming organ in the body. It would kind of be like driving around in a big, expensive, gas-guzzling car that you can't really afford and don't really have a need for... well, that might work in America, but it does not work that way in nature.
Originally posted by AdamAnt
It seemes that every since the results of this discovery has surfaced, people here have all of a sudden attempted to bring neandethals from the dumb cave men they were to all itelligent beings.
Originally posted by AdamAnt
To compare the two brains, scientists assembled a virtual Neanderthal brain by scanning skull fragments and comparing the computer models at different stages of growth to the human baby brain.
Originally posted by AdamAnt
You ever seen full fledge retard with a huge head??? I'm sure you have, I'm pretty sure those huge heads have huge brains that do not function like everyone else. So I do not beleive brain size determines intelligence.
I wouldn't say "all of a sudden". After all, the above mentioned Stan Gooch has been putting out elaborate theories about the interbreeding between Cro Magnon and Neanderthal since the 70's.
The difference is, science has now confirmed that there was interbreeding, and that a part of the human population carry a certain percentage of Neanderthal DNA.
Originally posted by LittleBirdSaid
Question, is it just raw brain size or brain in comparison to body measurement?edit on 27-7-2011 by LittleBirdSaid because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
Name ONE thing associated with them that is intelligent
Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
Name ONE thing associated with them that is intelligent
Check this link:
news.bbc.co.uk...
Originally posted by Heliocentric
If your heritage is non-African, you are part Neanderthal
Originally posted by Heliocentric
It was recently confirmed. Modern man (Cro Magnon, precursor of Homo Sapiens) interbred with Homo Neanderthalensis.
Originally posted by Heliocentric
The results show that 2% to 5% of our DNA stems from Neanderthals. This was discovered when the Neanderthal genome was finally sequenced in 2010.
Originally posted by Heliocentric
This in itself is a fairly spectacular discovery,
Originally posted by Heliocentric
you could say that sub-Saharan Africans are purely Homo Sapiens, while Europeans and Asians are a hybrid mix between Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals.
Originally posted by Heliocentric
Now, before moralists rush in to criticize, let me point out that there are no whatsoever racist ideas behind it.
Originally posted by Heliocentric
While I do consider that we are all equal as human beings, I do however believe that we are different genetically, and that we do not need to suppress the recognition of that difference in order to establish that we're equal. After all, men and women can be different, and even cherish those differences, and still (should) be equal as human beings, no?
Originally posted by Heliocentric
What I'm after is something different; the true nature of Neanderthal man.
For long he has been portrayed as a kind of primitive, inferior lineage in the evolution of mankind, that died out because of his 'incapacity' to adapt to new conditions (isn't that in itself a racist attitude?).
Originally posted by Heliocentric
The main basis for these assumptions is that he started to disappear as Homo Sapiens entered his territory, and disappeared all together after about 10 000 years of co-habitation.
Originally posted by Heliocentric
My question is, can we learn more about Neanderthals by studying physical, mental and cultural attributes of Caucasian and Asian populations, and compare them to equivalent attributes of sub-Saharan Africans?
Originally posted by Heliocentric
2% to 5% of Neanderthal influence may not sound like much, but consider this. We know through research on the Neanderthal genome, that Neanderthals had white skin and brown/blond/reddish hair (at least much of the European Neanderthal populations did).
Originally posted by Heliocentric
Is it pure coincidence that we find white skinned, brown/blond/red haired Homo Sapiens today in the same regions of Europe where they once co-existed with Neanderthals?
Originally posted by Heliocentric
Science has a tendency to write this off as genetic adaption,
Originally posted by Heliocentric
in effect natural loss of pigmentation in hair and skin due to less exposure to sunlight. Although, science has yet to explain why Inuits and Eskimos, who live in arctic regions, are not developing white skin and blonde hair,
Originally posted by Heliocentric
or why certain north African populations (of European ancestry) still have blond hair and green/blue eyes if evolution works as they claim.
Originally posted by Heliocentric
So, it is fair to theorize that modern Europeans have acquired the skin and hair color, and probably much of the facial characteristics from interbreeding with Neanderthals. What else did they possibly get from their Neanderthal ancestors? How about a bigger brain?
Originally posted by Heliocentric
I realize that this flies in the face of a lot of people, and that much of the criticism this text will get will focus on this postulation. Nevertheless, this is what a large body of research on the subject shows, and somehow we will have to deal with the data, rather than ignore it or consider it faulty or incomplete just because it doesn't show what we would like it to show.
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...thx for the entertainment...
...no... there is zero evidence of neanderthals in the americas...
Stone tools, particularly projectile points and scrapers, are the primary evidence of the earliest human activity in the Americas. Crafted lithic flaked tools are used by archaeologists and anthropologists to classify cultural periods.[38] Scientific evidence links indigenous Americans to Asian peoples, specifically eastern Siberian populations. Indigenous peoples of the Americas have been linked to North Asian populations by linguistic factors, the distribution of blood types, and in genetic composition as reflected by molecular data, such as DNA.[39]