Illuminati and Freemasons in cahoots....

Originally posted by pepsi78
No it's not, you got my posts, I'm sorry.

No, I do not get your posts, they are often all over the place in the premise you are promoting. It is obvious from older icongraphy and imagery that the Eye of Providence was then combined with the unfinsihed pyramid. If you have older iconographic evidence then present it, otherwise you are beating the same dead old horse.

The seal proves otherwise, and of course you god the artifact proving you wr I'm sure there are other similar ones.

The 'artifact' is a hoax until proven otherwise.

I find it a credible source.

Your archeological background is most likely zero, so your opinion is irrelevant.

No, I do not get your posts, they are often all over the place in the premise you are promoting. It is obvious from older icongraphy and imagery that the Eye of Providence was then combined with the unfinsihed pyramid. If you have older iconographic evidence then present it, otherwise you are beating the same dead old horse.

I'm sorry but older findings prove you wrong, even the maker says the pyramid is a triangle "it's why it was combined."

Although Thomson did not provide an exact translation of the motto, he explained its meaning in conjunction with the Eye of Providence in a triangle surrounded by light rays in the zenith of an unfinished pyramid: "The Eye over it & the motto Annuit Coeptis allude to the many signal interpositions of providence in favour of the American cause."

The description is clear, the pyramid is the triangle.

in a triangle surrounded by light rays in the zenith of an unfinished pyramid

Yet more evidence of similar things, it looks so fake I know.





For a clear image, exactly like the seal with inscriptions on the bottom.
and 13 stairs to the capstone.

The 'artifact' is a hoax until proven otherwise.

It's no hoax

Another source.
www.redicecreations.com...
And a clip with Klaus Dona.


These items and the pyramid included were put on the exposition by Klaus Dona.


Who is Klaus Dona, the pyramid is no hoax.

earthtransformation.com...
Klaus Dona has been the Art Exhibition Curator for the Habsburg Haus of Austria since 1991. Mr. Dona has organized 30 cultural exhibitions in Austria, Japan and Korea. Being a specialist in culture and art exhibitions, his attention was automatically drawn to a phenomenon called 'Ooparts' - out of place artifacts. These are artifacts that should not exist according to current science. Klaus Dona has been researching these types of artifacts for over a decade and, after a long preparation, decided to set up an exhibition of 470 of these (Ooparts) pieces, which he called ''Unsolved Mysteries''. He has artifacts from places such as Roswell, New Mexico; a still intact chupacabras skeleton; as well as giants (Nephilim) bones. He has been able to display such artifacts - a feat no one had been able to achieve since museums bury these in their basements to avoid raising unconfortable questions. A large portion of the pieces are scattered around the world and held in secret private collections. Klaus Dona has been able to gather more than 2500 pieces, all of which have no logical explanation!

Originally posted by pepsi78

The description is clear, the pyramid is the triangle.

in a triangle surrounded by light rays in the zenith of an unfinished pyramid

Yet more evidence of similar things, it looks so fake I know.





For a clear image, exactly like the seal with numerals on the bottom.
and 13 stairs to the capstone.

look at those symbols. Where is the reference to masonry? Why are there cats in them? What does a cat have to do with masonry?



those pyramids don't even have an eye above them! It's the sun. Do you even know the point you are trying to make anymore?

reply to post by network dude


Ohh the sun, okay.

en.wikipedia.org...
The Eye of Providence (or the all-seeing eye of God) is a symbol showing an eye often surrounded by rays of light or a glory and usually enclosed by a triangle.

In Medieval and Renaissance European iconography, the Eye (often with the addition of an enclosing triangle) was an explicit image of the Christian Trinity. Seventeenth-century depictions of the Eye of Providence sometimes show it surrounded by clouds or sun bursts.

As for the symbol it has 13 stairs to the capstone and inscriptions at the bottom with the sun on the top, the eye, it's really the same thing. This shows this concept was popular in the ancient world and that it came from there, and that it has nothing to do with Christianity. Christians did not know and did not asociate the eye with the pyramid because they had no knowlege of such things, they had no way of knowing, even more a precise design with 13 stairs.

This proves all my points, that the pyramid and the eye on the dolar bill came from the ancient world, it's clear without doubt it came from an occult"hidden" source :masonry.

The final seal is the pyramid and the eye. They knew of the pyramid and the eye from the ancient world, IT IS THE SEAL OF UNITED STATES.

This is a masonic art work


Yet another masonic monument

You can deny it all you like.

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the last one is a nice joke. But the three in the previous post have yet to be linked to masonry by anything other than your word.

And about the 13 steps, is it even remotely possible that the pyramid on the dollar with 13 steps was emblematic of the 13 colonies? Naw, makes much more sense to claim it has some masonic meaning.

So the link I provided that completely destroys your theory is just going to be ignored?

nice.

reply to post by network dude

No, it's clear where it comes from, as shown in the examples, it's where it originates from.

As for masonry, I have told you, there would be no other source for the pyramid and the eye, it's where it comes from since masons had knowlege of what the symbols meant, the rest of the people were innocent sheep, based on other things, not on the "ancient world"

As for the incorporation of symbols into Christianity, I have told you that it's the art of the roman empire and linked institutions such as the fremasons that have morphed symbols from outisde into christianity forging the christian religion. Christianity is a the invention of the Roman Empire and it has nothing to do with Jesus.
Same go's with the eye of providence, they sneaked it in from ancient cultures.

As I told you , Infiltrate and control.

It's why I find the Roman Empire and Masonry most evil insitutions of manipulative control freaks.
I've been asked to join free masonry, by a betraded friend who is now a free mason, and has changed beyond recognition (not my friend anymore) part of the Ostara club, and by other figures. But I would never join such a fraternity, I can't I have too much self esteem.

So the link I provided that completely destroys your theory is just going to be ignored?

It does not, It can't as explained by my making two points A and B.
A Knowlege of the objects and symbols, and B the irony of this, the contradiction.
It's in one of my upper posts.

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lets try this from a different angle.
please look at the picture.
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now remember where this came from? yes, your previous post. Now, knowing that you posted this as proof of the pyramid with the eye over it being masonic, where is this from? and what does it have to do with masonry? You need to use a credible source to link it. Your opinion is worth nothing. Bring facts, or close the pie hole.

lets look here:
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take a few minutes to look at this picture. You used it again, to prove a masonic involvement in the creation of the dollar bill. Explain to everyone here what this has to do with freemasonry. Is this a piece of masonic art? Did a mason create it? Why cats and elephants, and snakes and ferns?

When people accuse you of being all over the place and being foolish, this is why that happens. You don't offer proof of anything, you only offer opinions and expect everyone to accept them as fact.

Big boys use facts, be a big boy and bring something other than opinion.

reply to post by network dude

Well I already explained it, it's in my other posts, it was about where the objects come from the ancient world.

It's there.
The dollar bill and at most the seal is a masonic art work

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so you cannot provide an answer to my question.
admit you are completely clueless and this can all be forgotten.

Originally posted by pepsi78
reply to post by network dude

 

Well I already explained it, it's in my other posts, it was about where the objects come from the ancient world.

It's there.
The dollar bill and at most the seal is a masonic art work

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there is an ELEPHANT at the top of the pyramid.

Is it a masonic elephant?

Where in masonry is a elephant used?

Originally posted by network dude
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so you cannot provide an answer to my question.
admit you are completely clueless and this can all be forgotten.

I did, the pyramid with the 13 layers from equador, identical to the seal of the us.
What more accurate description would you like, it's identical to the seal.

The other images I posted show the same thing, I posted them to show it was popular in ancient culture, not debating on them and that they were similar in design to the other pyramid. I also explained the sun.
The two other images are just to show the similarity between the equator pyramid. One of them is identical in the number of steps, 13 identical to the equator pyramid , just like the seal of united states.

Originally posted by pepsi78

Originally posted by network dude
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so you cannot provide an answer to my question.
admit you are completely clueless and this can all be forgotten.

I did, the pyramid with the 13 layers from equador, identical to the seal of the us.
What more accurate description would you like, it's identical to the seal.

The other images I posted show the same thing, I posted them to show it was popular in ancient culture, not debating on them and that they were similar in design to the other pyramid. I also explained the sun.

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but you failed epically, to explain how it has any relation in the slightest to masonry. Do that, and you have an argument, fail to do that, and you are delusional and need to take some time off.

but you failed epically, to explain how it has any relation in the slightest to masonry. Do that, and you have an argument, fail to do that, and you are delusional and need to take some time off.

It's commun sense, the only ones who had that knowlege at the time were the masons, there is no other possible source. They knew what it was, where it came from and so on.

The knowlege came from them, no one had knowlege about this things, maybe as I told you the black slaves made it.(irony)

Originally posted by pepsi78

but you failed epically, to explain how it has any relation in the slightest to masonry. Do that, and you have an argument, fail to do that, and you are delusional and need to take some time off.

It's commun sense, the only ones who had that knowlege at the time were the masons, there is no other possible source. They knew what it was, where it came from and so on.

The knowlege came from them, no one had knowlege about this things, maybe as I told you the black slaves made it.(irony)

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The Great Seal, the Illuminati and the Freemasons (Excerpted from United Symbolism of America by Robert R. Hieronimus, Ph.D.)

Freemasons did not officially use the all-seeing eye as one of their symbols until several decades after the approval of the U.S. Great Seal.18 Likewise the pyramid. It’s more a case of the Great Seal influencing the Masons to adopt these symbols than the Masons influencing the symbols used in the Great Seal. Masons do not usually depict their all-seeing eye encased in a triangle, but rather floating alone among clouds, just as a lot of Christians do. Masons have long admired pyramids as incredible structures built by ancient stone masons, but they did not become popular on regalia until after the adoption of the Great Seal. Masonic symbolism and popular American symbolism run parallel sometimes, choosing as they did from the same pool, but the pyramid-with-the-eye-in-the-triangle-above-it is not a Masonic symbol. It was not an Illuminati symbol. It was not an Egyptian, Phoenician, Babylonian or any other kind of symbol. It was designed by an American, and a non-Mason, Charles Thomson. The reverse of the Great Seal is an American symbol.

Here is my proof, now you show yours.

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What you refer to has been explained over and over, I don't beilive it and even if was in such case, they had knowlege of it, of what it meant from ancient culture even if it was not used as a symbol (something I don't think it's true). The rest of the people were "sheep" It was the eye of providence for them, bahaha, not knowing it's origins and it's true meaning, fremasons of course knew, there for the depiction of the pyramid as the seal of united states.

To put it simply Freemasons borrowed the triangle and eye from the nations of antiquity and not from Christianity.
They already knew the meaning of what it represents and where it came from.

The seal of the united states.
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Other instances.


The dollar bill is full of occult meaning, an owl the wise owl, obsesion with the number 13.
The Capitol looks like a funeral city, pentagons, obleliscs, roman statues ....."of course they are all from Christianity"


Here it is.



Illuminati symbol


I know what you are going to say, that it's not an owl, it's an elephant, it's what masons do best.

reply to post by pepsi78


I see how this works now.

I don't believe you.

Originally posted by pepsi78

I know what you are going to say, that it's not an owl, it's an elephant, it's what masons do best.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f0250695c4b3.jpg[/atsimg]

I suppose that isn't an elephant at the top?

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by pepsi78

I know what you are going to say, that it's not an owl, it's an elephant, it's what masons do best.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f0250695c4b3.jpg[/atsimg]

I suppose that isn't an elephant at the top?

At the top is the sun, the eye not the elephant, stop distorting it.


The elephant is part of the ancient culture related to that place, while the pyramid and the eye are a generality passed on ancient cultures.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by pepsi78

 

I see how this works now.

I don't believe you.

As I was saying....

To put it simply Freemasons borrowed the triangle and eye from the nations of antiquity and not from Christianity.
They already knew the meaning of what it represents and where it came from.

This shows I'm right, it's just like the seal, it's where they got it.

This is from Quenca, Equador,
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www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
Notable features of this solid gold pyramid:
the snakes are where they belong - in the sky - and at its foot are elephants,
which the artists could not possibly have seen in South America around 12,000 B.C.
The writing on the lower edge of the pyramid is unknown and has not been deciphered so far.

The same thing as the seal, it has imprints on the bottom of the pyramid, 13 steps to the capstone, same as the seal.

As for your elephants, They were related to the local culture as stated.
The first image that you posted also comes from there.

nother plaque with a pyramid (Fig. 15). Two jaguars, symbols of strength, have their paws on the sides. There are obvious signs of writing at the foot of the pyramid. To the right and left we see elephants, which lived in South America about 12,000 years ago before any civilizations or cultures are supposed to have existed. And the snakes are at last where they ought to be, in the sky. No one can deny that snakes and dragons have a special place in all myths about the creation. Even a scientist such as Dr. Irene Sanger-Bredt, who is an engineer in the aircraft and space industries, puts the following question in her book ‘Ungeloste Ratsel der Schopfung’ (Unsolved Puzzles of the Creation):

It the same place as this, this shows what I was talking about, the pyramids are related, identical 13 steps with the eye at the top.
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There are probaly many more example waiting to be found across the world with the same notion, showing it was a comun symbol in ancient times and that the seal without a doubt comes from there.