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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Janky Red
I believe we should enforce the laws already in place. Illegal immigration is a problem in this country and we shouldn't be rewarding it.
Originally posted by projectvxn
Firstly, it already is a crime.
Secondly, what about those of us that aren't republican and are also legal immigrants? I want illegal immigration stopped, not rewarded. I'm tired of these social justice morons spreading this idea that illegal immigration is good. It isn't. All it does it hurt Americans, and ESPECIALLY those of us who came here legally. Like me.
Originally posted by Hijaqd
Seriously? There is still confusion on the issue?
Nobody is bashing IMMIGRATION, the problem is with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, you know the one that is AGAINST our laws, making it ILLEGAL???
Compassion or no compassion is not the debate, it is simply about more of the political kabuki theater, in this act it is DNC Chair Wasserman trying to demonize the Republican party for having the audacity to think ILLEGAL immigrants are here ILLEGALLY.
Would there be any "C'Mon feel sorry for them, let's have compassion." if we were talking about demonizing one side of the aisle for saying rapists deserve to be in prison?
"They should have a path to citizenship." For real?!?! They DO it's called LEGALLY IMMIGRATE, if you don't follow that path then you are clearly here ILLEGALLY, and yes they should get the F#@% Out, try to do it right next time!
If they would simply do their part, THE RIGHT WAY, then we could even save taxpayer money that is being tied up securing the borders to the extent they currently are (drones aren't cheap to operate), save money on the taxpayer funded residential facility that they are occupying while eating taxpayer funded food for a meal while they wait on the taxpayer funded bus driven by yet again US taxpayer funded drivers.
I'm not a republican either, but they're RIGHT, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is well in a word ILLEGAL, this is not one of the "grey" areas, this one is black and white.
An alien's unauthorized presence in the United States is not a crime under the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 …. Thus many people find the term undocumented alien preferable to illegal alien, since the former avoid the implication that one's unauthorized presence in the United States is a crime. Elizabeth Hull, Undocumented Aliens and the Equal Protection Clause, 48 Brook. L. Rev. 43, 43 n.2 (1981).
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by boondock-saint
All I see in any of his immigration papers if those are in fact legit, is him being railroaded out of Harvard, denied an extension and him leaving voluntarily to go back to Kenya.
Originally posted by boondock-saint
reply to post by no time
undocumented alien huh ???
lol
try sneaking into the Superbowl
and when you can't provide
a ticket for your seat, you
get kicked out of the stadium.
Guess that makes them an undocumented
spectator.
They still get kicked out none the less.
Call it anything you like or whatever
label u want to describe it.
Originally posted by no time
Originally posted by Hijaqd
Seriously? There is still confusion on the issue?
Nobody is bashing IMMIGRATION, the problem is with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, you know the one that is AGAINST our laws, making it ILLEGAL???
Compassion or no compassion is not the debate, it is simply about more of the political kabuki theater, in this act it is DNC Chair Wasserman trying to demonize the Republican party for having the audacity to think ILLEGAL immigrants are here ILLEGALLY.
Would there be any "C'Mon feel sorry for them, let's have compassion." if we were talking about demonizing one side of the aisle for saying rapists deserve to be in prison?
"They should have a path to citizenship." For real?!?! They DO it's called LEGALLY IMMIGRATE, if you don't follow that path then you are clearly here ILLEGALLY, and yes they should get the F#@% Out, try to do it right next time!
If they would simply do their part, THE RIGHT WAY, then we could even save taxpayer money that is being tied up securing the borders to the extent they currently are (drones aren't cheap to operate), save money on the taxpayer funded residential facility that they are occupying while eating taxpayer funded food for a meal while they wait on the taxpayer funded bus driven by yet again US taxpayer funded drivers.
I'm not a republican either, but they're RIGHT, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is well in a word ILLEGAL, this is not one of the "grey" areas, this one is black and white.
An alien's unauthorized presence in the United States is not a crime under the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952 …. Thus many people find the term undocumented alien preferable to illegal alien, since the former avoid the implication that one's unauthorized presence in the United States is a crime. Elizabeth Hull, Undocumented Aliens and the Equal Protection Clause, 48 Brook. L. Rev. 43, 43 n.2 (1981).
Illegal?
Looks to be a pretty grey area....actually.
“Illegal alien” is the legally precise and preferred term: The usual and preferable term in American English is illegal alien. The other forms have arisen as needless euphemisms, and should be avoided as near-gobbledygook. The problem with undocumented is that it is intended to mean, by those who use it in this phrase, "not having the requisite documents to enter or stay in a country legally. But the word strongly suggests "unaccounted for" to those unfamiliar with this quasi-legal jargon, and it may therefore obscure the meaning.
That statement is only equivocally correct, however: although illegal aliens' presence in the country is no crime, their entry into the country is. As Justice Brennan wrote in Plyler v. Doe,… "Unsanctioned entry in the United States is a crime, 8 U.S.C. § 1325…."2 Moreover, it is wrong to equal illegality with criminality, inasmuch as many illegal acts are not criminal. Illegal alien is not an opprobrious epithet: it describes one present in a country in violation of the immigration laws (hence "illegal").3
8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper Entry By Alien
a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both
b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.
Originally posted by Janky Red
Originally posted by Hijaqd
Seriously? There is still confusion on the issue?
Nobody is bashing IMMIGRATION, the problem is with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, you know the one that is AGAINST our laws, making it ILLEGAL???
Compassion or no compassion is not the debate, it is simply about more of the political kabuki theater, in this act it is DNC Chair Wasserman trying to demonize the Republican party for having the audacity to think ILLEGAL immigrants are here ILLEGALLY.
Would there be any "C'Mon feel sorry for them, let's have compassion." if we were talking about demonizing one side of the aisle for saying rapists deserve to be in prison?
and these people are not rapist are they???
The issue is the police factor, this country does not need an expansion of police powers
How many policemen do you think this country would need to employ to rangle tens of millions of people?
And what would that cost???
She is right, the John Wayne approach is half way to retarded as far as solutions go.
Originally posted by no time
reply to post by Hijaqd
I actually agree.
But the truth is illegal immigration, in fact, is a grey area, as it is very hard to prove in court the criminal act of crossing the border.
At the end of the day, I don't support illegal immigration either, however, my personal experiences with illegals has been quite pleasant. And these neighbors of mine were in fact deported. All they wanted to do was raise their children away from war. Doesn't sound like they were criminal. they could not be here legally. They should have been able to stay.
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Janky Red
Is this not the solution many here advocate for???
That is what the law, enacted by Congress and signed by the president, calls for.
Why would a democrat try to make it sound as if asking for enforcement of the law is somehow an offense in and of itself?
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edit on 31-5-2011 by jdub297 because: sp
Originally posted by Hijaqd
Seriously? Did I SAY they were by chance? That's whats called an analogy, those help to let people understand a concept when viewed from a different angle.
While we're being cute with wordplay, do you KNOW that "undocumented" aliens are not engaging in the crime of rape?
I have an issue with an enhanced police factor as well, as far as cost?
Yeah I don't know how much it would cost, do you know how much we would save if we did not need more police to enforce the laws that are broken by "undocumented" workers?
What would be the savings of shutting down the residential centers?
What would be the savings of not paying for their meals, on top of the meals of the currently incarcerated of our already bloated prison system which boasts the highest rate of incarceration in the world?