Egypt Opens 6 New Tombs, Including King Tut's General (Horemheb)!

Egypt's top archaeologist Dr. Zahi Hawass announced Monday that the county will open a series of new tombs to the public, offering a never-before-seen glimpse of desert life thousands of years ago for the first time ever.

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The tomb of Horemheb is just one of many tombs at Saqqara

The six new tombs are located in the New Kingdom Cemetery in South Saqqara and include the tomb of Maya, who was the treasurer of King Tut, as well as the tomb of Horemheb, the general of King Tut who later became king.

Maya and Horhemb were very important men during one of Egypt’s most tumultuous periods, the Amarna Period, Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities explained in a press release announcing the opening of the tombs. During this time, the pharaoh Akhenaten closed Egypt’s most important temples in Luxor and moved the capitol to a site in the middle of the desert -- confusingly also called Akhetaten or Tell el-Amarna.

Some of these tombs were first discovered in 1843 but were not fully excavated until an Anglo-Dutch mission began digging there in 1975.

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My dream is to get to Egypt and tour everything I can. I want to see some things for myself. Things others have written about but I am skeptical. howver, that being said, good news for the Egyptian lover in us all.

I know we believe we know a lot about the Egyptians etc but I look at them as the ones we know about and seem to understand.

I am talking about the previous folks on this world, in that region, who I believe were the ones who actually made the first pyramids. Then something happened to that race/group and what we know today is the ones who rose up and re-build/copied or claimed the existing structures to be theirs.

Anyway, good day for "past-seekers"

The fraud that is Hawass saying anything is to be taken with a pinch of salt. I really wouldn't believe anything that comes out of that mans mouth, he has done more to set back and mislead true Egyptology than any other person or organisation.

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Please elaborate. I want to hear more.

What are we to do. He is Egypt's #1 man in the topic field.

I don't have to listen to him,.... just look at what his crews had found.

It really seems like they are working it up over there as fas discoveries.

They probably feel they need to work faster due to the Muslim Brotherhood about to take over the reins of the country. Which I believe will be on sad time.

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First Image from the OP looks extremely reminiscent of the Sumerians

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On another note I hope they open that chamber in the great pyramid so we can find out whats inside there.

Also i hope they find out whats under the sphinx too..

Originally posted by chaztekno
The fraud that is Hawass saying anything is to be taken with a pinch of salt. I really wouldn't believe anything that comes out of that mans mouth, he has done more to set back and mislead true Egyptology than any other person or organisation.

this is it right here....look...he was threatened with prison...i think the canary is singing....!

ok firstly, horemhebs tomb is not in saqqara...its in the valley of the kings....and horemheb wasnt a general...Ay, the pharaoh before him was, horemheb was a political leader...one of the smartest, he dealt with the usurpers.

ok i went to the valley of the kings...only a few tombs were closed to the public...one was horemheb...now if you know hormhebs story...YOU WILL DEMAND to see his tomb, as i did. they said no...so i spoke in arabic and told them this is my blood....and they let me in....

horemheb (and Ay)... were from the south, Thebes....when the north, again, tried to instigate a new state religion, and take egypts sovereinty....the south raised an army...led by Ay....he went north and emptied the country from these sun worshippers. Ay was an army general and horemheb was a political leader. Ay destroyed the sun cult and akhenaten...took akhenatens son...and took the throne back to thebes...back to the cult of amun. so tutankh-aten was named as tutankh-amun...he died quickly and Ay took his place...3 yrs or so he died then horemheb took the throne....

the problem with Ay and horemheb is that they were not real pharaohs, just stand-ins during difficult times.
horemheb dealt with that issue as the crown had slighty shifted towards foreign blood. HOREMHEB STARTED THE 19TH DYNASTY, RAMSEES1, SETI1, RAMSEES THE GREAT...these people wouldnt exist if it wasnt for horemheb...

so you tell me why they would not let people see his tomb...i`ll tell you...IT OPENS UP A CAN OF WORMS THAT TPTB WANTED KEPT IN THE SHADOWS...these things could end an empire....or not lol

2 weeks ago...he showed amenhoteps 4 site of moneuments...in south egypt...ending the debate that akhenaten was a foreigner...then he said hes going under giza with an egyptian only team to see if there are tunnels...now hawas is opening horemhebs tomb
well done hawass...just keep singing... i love him when he like this...

mate watch him closely from now....you will start liking him...hes not gagged anymore

Originally posted by anon72

Egypt's top archaeologist Dr. Zahi Hawass announced Monday that the county will open a series of new tombs to the public, offering a never-before-seen glimpse of desert life thousands of years ago for the first time ever.

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The tomb of Horemheb is just one of many tombs at Saqqara

The six new tombs are located in the New Kingdom Cemetery in South Saqqara and include the tomb of Maya, who was the treasurer of King Tut, as well as the tomb of Horemheb, the general of King Tut who later became king.

Maya and Horhemb were very important men during one of Egypt’s most tumultuous periods, the Amarna Period, Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities explained in a press release announcing the opening of the tombs. During this time, the pharaoh Akhenaten closed Egypt’s most important temples in Luxor and moved the capitol to a site in the middle of the desert -- confusingly also called Akhetaten or Tell el-Amarna.

ok akhet-aten.....and akhen-aten...two different words.

and called "tell-el armana"...WTF this isnt isreal...it was called ARMANA....thats it...no added isreali components in the word....sheesh...tell-el.....lol

is this the reason why hes showing this stuff....isrealis and greeks, also persians are trying to hijack egypts history and claim it for themselves....go on hawas...do your thing....

so in 1000 yrs will it be "tell-el new-york" lol....really its ridiculus

They should show us EVERYTHING. This isn't Egypt's history, IT'S OURS!! In 5000 - 8000 years from now people will look back at this time and wonder how & why we knew so little, and I will tell them (hahhahaha) THEY DIDN'T SHOW US EVERYTHING.

but seriously, how can all of this secrecy be justified? How can one person be allowed to look at this stuff and not others? I bet he's took all the good stuff away. I say when Hawass or whoever is running the show now dies, I say we bury them somewhere and label it "GREAT SNAKE OF THE AGES".

Originally posted by R3N3G4D3
They should show us EVERYTHING. This isn't Egypt's history, IT'S OURS!! In 5000 - 8000 years from now people will look back at this time and wonder how & why we knew so little, and I will tell them (hahhahaha) THEY DIDN'T SHOW US EVERYTHING.

but seriously, how can all of this secrecy be justified? How can one person be allowed to look at this stuff and not others? I bet he's took all the good stuff away. I say when Hawass or whoever is running the show now dies, I say we bury them somewhere and label it "GREAT SNAKE OF THE AGES".

mate im related by blood to these people....and im not allowed to see certain things....my ancestors probably think im a mug for taking no as an answer....

to add...the only people that would influence and try and stop certain release of material would actually be TPTB...its to do with divine right to rule.....are you a christian..the ressurection and virgin birth is from the cult of osiris.

are you aa catholic?...the vatican...which was placed right in the middle of the roman empire...
ever wondered what happened to the pharaoh...and how come the roman empire started on egypts downfall!!?

their is a long line of empreors and king and queens that would not of come into power if the pharaoh was still here....and where was the pharaoh from? he was from per-aa...in upper egypt....a nubian.....
funny how egypts government is now giving nubians their land back this month....

...egypts history is deep and it effects the way we live today.... we get most of our law and social/economic structeures from the roman empire...what if cleopatra was proved to be a non egyptian..
that could mean the roman empire is a farse....and the pharaoh came back, would be placed on top of the tree...or pyramid...mind the pun!

Originally posted by thePharaoh
and called "tell-el armana"...WTF this isnt isreal...it was called ARMANA....thats it...no added isreali components in the word....sheesh...tell-el.....lol

Is Arabic... And yes, Armana is also known as Tel el Armana: en.wikipedia.org... "Tel" refers to the ancient digsite and is different than the modern city of Armana.

these are the reason why hes showing this stuff....isrealis and greeks, also persians are trying to hijack egypts history and claim it for themselves....go on hawas...do your thing....

Well, there were a number of periods when Egypt did have foreign rulers... the Hyksos, the Persians and the Greeks as well. No Israeli rulers, though.

Woohoo!

I love new discoveries or releases even if that twit Hawaas is involved. Maybe now that his leader is no longer there to protect him and put him positions he shouldn't have been in just to keep the lies going he will start talking!

You know he knows more than he lets on, lets hope he shares it with the rest of us. It is all of our history not just Egypt's. Egypt imo esp ancient Egypt was very important and I still believe there is alot left unsaid and hidden!


Thanks for this OP I shall be following..

To the member that said they glyphs looked like the Sumerian ones, agreed! Awesome! They aren't that far from each other (ancient sumerian and ancient egypt)

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Is it just me or do the features look Caucasian

Originally posted by R3N3G4D3
but seriously, how can all of this secrecy be justified? How can one person be allowed to look at this stuff and not others?

I'm speaking from experience when I say that active digsites USUALLY don't allow visitors of any sort. They're disruptive to work, disruptive to research, AND their impact can hurt conservation efforts. The site has to first be completely excavated and then research finished (you can't imagine how irritating it is to need to go back to conclude research (they don't get it all the first time and you may need to go back and check some hypotheses that relate to the site... like "how, exactly, is that wall positioned and how high is the remaining layer") and find that the site has been invaded by tourists who are carving their names on the monuments and dropping trash all over your excavation.

And yes, in old tombs, moisture from the exhalations of a lot of people can hasten the disintegration of pigments and construction elements.

So they want the site secure and stable before they let anyone in.

I realize this must seem unreasonable... the reasonable answer around it is to start taking archaeology courses and get some field school experience (I have) and then sign up as a "shovelbum" (digger) for various locations. You'll get paid to go to the site and you'll learn a lot more.

And perhaps you'll be in sympathy for those who want to stabilize and secure the site before letting the tourist masses in. And perhaps you'll start to resent tourists and curiosity seekers just a bit after you see what they do to the site (particularly ones that aren't under guard... I could give a long list of horrible examples involving art, rock art, and tombs.)

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Uhmmm... what DID you expect their features to look like? Bones show that they're Caucasian (roughly) -- Mediterranean types. In truth, they (as we) are all mutts. Got a bit of everything in our background.

Originally posted by Byrd


Well, there were a number of periods when Egypt did have foreign rulers... the Hyksos, the Persians and the Greeks as well. No Israeli rulers, though.

thats just it...were the so-called hyksos kings, foreigners?...the upper egyptians never accepted a foreigner, which is why cleopatra and other grecoroman kings, never left alexandria...which is the northern tip of egypt, closer to italy than thebes!

i think hawas is using his energy to put these stories to bed....just my opinion.

what do you think of the new hawas?...hes about 3weeks old...with noone of authority for him to answer to (or so he thinks)....im loving the show

Originally posted by Signals

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Is it just me or do the features look Caucasian

cmon...honestly...really...really?

are you trying to do my nut on purpose....how on gods green earth are those caucasion features?...even the racist before you tried to break the nose on this peice as well...why cant you believe that they were black...and why is that an even an issue to you what colour they were....

they wre the A-group...nubians!

and if we are gonna start being ignorant...can i be part of it ...with this following nonsense....thank you:

"how can they be caucasion...caucasions were invented in 1808 to sow cotton plants for africans to harvest"

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Nope, not trying to "do your nut"

It's a legit observation. Look at the ears, eyes, nose, mouth, lips.

People that cry racism right off the bat =

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Nope, not trying to "do your nut"

It's a legit observation. Look at the ears, eyes, nose, mouth, lips.

People that cry racism right off the bat =

ok...how many caucasions do you know are from thebes?

nubians DO have socalled caucasion features, thin lips, sharp noses, soft hair etc...
and this pharaoh is horemheb...even the dumbest egyptologists cant deny his ethnicity...

People that cry "its caucasion" right off the bat =

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wasn't akhenatens mother or one of his grandparents [yuya?]from mittani ?
that would explain the :caucasian: thing [actually indo-european]


oh i see race-baiting so...

the original egyptians were brunets*/afro-libyans/mediterranean type what used to be known as "dark whites"[considered to be lazy and shiftless by nordic euros. hmm were have i heard that before?]
just look at the pictures they left us

nubia was a country/land to the south that contributed a dynasty or at least a few pharaohs

speculation is that hyksos were Semitic maybe related to hebrews maybe not others posit other racial origins


*term used by HG Wells in his "Outline of History" to describe the peoples of southern europe/north africa- ME-southern asia and posited as the creators of the silk road during the late neolithic, all of these people worshiped the White Goddess under one name or another i.e. isis, amaterasu

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
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wasn't akhenatens mother or one of his grandparents [yuya?]from mittani ?
that would explain the :caucasian: thing [actually indo-european]

his dad had many wives....but 1 official wife....


anyway...i think akhenaten was a woman....go look at any image of "him" you will see breasts, and hips and a long neck....pure female...
google it

no nubia that you know today is not the nubia the pharaoh mentioned...
nubia/ kuchites got called this after the armana and 18th dynasty divisions....

the upper egyptians...thebes abydos nekhen naqada...memphis....and the cult of amun...are the modern day nubians....the black people the pharaoh fought with are modern day shouthern sudanese and northern ethiopians.

the pharaohs are the people that live their now...ie nubians

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what i'm saying is that he and tut may have had hittite [or was it hurrian ancestry]

lol maybe he was a hermaphrodite?

Possible illness

The rather strange and eccentric portrayals of Akhenaten, with a sagging stomach, thick thighs, larger breasts, and long, thin face — so different from the athletic norm in the portrayal of Pharaohs — has led certain Egyptologists to suppose that Akhenaten suffered some kind of genetic abnormality. Various illnesses have been put forward. On the basis of his longer jaw and his feminine appearance, Cyril Aldred[73] suggested he may have suffered from Froelich's Syndrome. However, this is unlikely because this disorder results in sterility and Akhenaten is believed to have fathered numerous children — at least six daughters by Nefertiti, and his successor Tutankhamen by a minor wife.

Another suggestion by Burridge[74] is that Akhenaten may have suffered from Marfan's Syndrome. Marfan's syndrome, unlike Froelich's, does not result in any lack of intelligence or sterility. It is associated with a sunken chest, long curved spider-like fingers (arachnodactyly), occasional congenital heart difficulties, a high curved or slightly cleft palate, and a highly curved cornea or dislocated lens of the eye, with the requirement for bright light to see well. Marfan's sufferers tend towards being taller than average, with a long, thin face, and elongated skull, overgrown ribs, a funnel or pigeon chest, and larger pelvis, with enlarged thighs and spindly calves.[75] Marfan's syndrome is a dominant characteristic, and sufferers have a 50% chance of passing it on to their children.[76] All of these symptoms appear in depictions of Akhenaten and of his children. Recent CT scans of Tutankhamun report a cleft palate and a fairly long head, as well as an abnormal curvature of the spine and fusion of the upper vertebrae, a condition associated with scoliosis, all conditions associated with Marfan's syndrome.[77] Marfan Syndrome was ruled out following DNA tests on Tutankhamun in 2010.[78]

However, Dominic Montserrat in Akhenaten: History, Fantasy and Ancient Egypt argues that "there is now a broad consensus among Egyptologists that the exaggerated forms of Akhenaten's physical portrayal... are not to be read literally".[57] Montserrat and others[79] argue that the body-shape relates to some form of religious symbolism. Because the god Aten was referred to as "the mother and father of all humankind" it has been suggested that Akhenaten was made to look androgynous in artwork as a symbol of the androgyny of the god. This required "a symbolic gathering of all the attributes of the creator god into the physical body of the king himself", which will "display on earth the Aten's multiple life-giving functions".[57] Akhenaten did refer to himself as "The Unique One of Re", and he may have used his control of artistic expression to distance himself from the common people, though such a radical departure from the idealised traditional representation of the image of the Pharaoh would be truly extraordinary.

Uffinton too supports this view[80] and claims that Akhenaten's asexual appearance is explained in the Gnostic Book of Enoch when Enoch meets the Elohim. Representations of other persons than Akhenaten in the 'Amarna style' are equally unflattering — for example, a carving of his father Amenhotep III as an overweight figure;[81] Nefertiti is shown in some statues as well past her prime, with a severe face and a stomach swollen by repeated pregnancies.

Another claim was made by Immanuel Velikovsky, who hypothesized an incestuous relationship with his mother, Tiye. Velikovsky also posited that Akhenaten had elephantiasis, producing enlarged legs. Based on this, he identified Akhenaten as the history behind the Oedipus myth, Oedipus being Greek for "swollen feet", and moved the setting from the Greek Thebes to the Egyptian Thebes. As part of his argument, Velikovsky uses the fact that Akhenaten viciously carried out a campaign to erase the name of his father, which he argues could have developed into Oedipus killing his father. This point seems to be disproved, however, in that Akhenaten in fact mummified and buried his father in the honorable traditional Egyptian fashion prior to beginning his monotheistic revolution.[82]

In the same 1960 work, Oedipus and Akhnaton, Velikovsky not only saw Akhenaten as the origin of Oedipus, but also identified him with a Pharaoh mentioned only in Herodotus, "Anysis of the city of the same name" — Akhenaten of Akhetaten. Like Oedipus, Anysis was blinded, deposed and exiled. Some scholars have argued that Akhenaten went blind at the end of his life and was supported by his wife Nefertiti.


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