Human Rights Watch shows that Gaddafi was not deliberately killing civilians.

Human Rights Watch shows that Gaddafi was not deliberately killing civilians.

A report by Human Rights Watch shows that Gaddafi was not deliberately killing civilians but rather targeting armed rebels fighters who were targeting his government. Obama insisted civilians were being targeted and that Gaddafi would kill them all if intervention did not take place.

However, intervention has not stopped the killing of rebel groups and may have in fact put civilians at greater risk. US interference has emboldened rebel fighters and encouraged them further, it has placed civilians in between government forces and rebel groups, further prolonging Libya’s civil war and brining about greater casualties.

Alan J. Kuperman, a professor at the University of Texas

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Alan J. Kuperman, a professor at the University of Texas argued there is simply no evidence Gaddafi was targeting civilians, therefore there is no possibility Obama could have had evidence or reason to enter Libya and begin a military intervention.

“Civilians are caught in the middle,” he said. “We didn’t stop a bloodbath but we are prolonging and perpetuating the suffering of civilians in Libya.” He argued that Gaddafi is targeting rebel fighters. There was never a bloodbath of civilians at the hands of Gaddafi.

“We knew that if we wanted – if we waited one more day, Benghazi, a city nearly the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world,” Obama said in a speech.

“If Gaddafi were trying to massacre civilians there would be thousands killed, not a couple hundred killed,” Kuperman remarked. Gaddafi said he would show no mercy to rebels, he did not speak about civilians. He even said rebel fighters who laid down their arms and surrendered would receive mercy, explained Kuperman. “He made clear would not target civilians,” he said.

“Obama exaggerated the threat.” The US lead NATO intervention has prolonged the war. Had there been no intervention the civil war would have ended in March Kuperman argued.

“My rough guess at this point is we have actually increased the net suffering to civilians in Libya,” he said. The international community should stay out of domestic issues, Kuperman contended. Intervention should be a threat, a potential last result only if civilians are truly targeted.

so all of you out there who still think that the west is out there liberating the fundementist rebels from gaddafi free education and healthcare,and only 10% unemployment .....and to start a revolution to move into the gold currency and put a end to the perpetuating debt of the fractional reserve.

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really hard to aim those spears poor melty face both sides are wrong

he wasn't targetting civilians...he was targetting rebel fighters

wtf do you think those rebel fighters were?!

by that reasoning, no citizens died in the united states civil war...just yankee and rebel soldiers...but the civilians were untouched.

-facepalm-

Keep in mind also, most were saying Obama was dragging his feet and not reacting fast enough (or even at all).
and, last point, this is not a US only venture (however, we did do a disproportunate amount of the initial bombings...which I think we should get paid for frankly). you got the right wing having a fit that france appears to be heading up this operation


Add: Let me be clear...there may be a conspiracy here...humanitarian reasons...naa...come on, there are much worse places on earth than libya, so there is something at work here
just saying the premise of the argument is seriously flawed...

reply to post by SaturnFX


im British and must commend you, if you oppose a side one way or the other then fair game !!!

reply to post by SaturnFX


If you have any brain you know its US led just sneeky sneeky wink wink

Originally posted by nonetruegod
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

If you have any brain you know its US led just sneeky sneeky wink wink

I think thats american ego believing that moreso than reality.

one thing we have programmed is america leads every single thing on earth...we got our fingers in alot of stuff, but to say no operation anywhere ever doesn't go on without us holding the strings is simply an overinflated sense of importance

Before the rebels were "rebels", they were the "opposition". I recall very clearly that Gadaffi threatened violence and death to the opposition. Once the opposition began defending themselves they became rebels.

Yes, Gadaffi deliberately killed civilians. Semantics doesn't change the facts.

We have no business in this Tribal mess.

We completely through him under the bus.

Not that he's a nice guy, but Libya was a Sovereign Nation.

Get a rope...Looks like we are going to have another hanging.

Sheesh...

Killing people is just good business for the bankers..

Its why they get involved in as many wars as they can...this makes no difference.

Sad, but true.

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its all BS theres no way the yanks have held back here

Originally posted by Aggie Man
Before the rebels were "rebels", they were the "opposition". I recall very clearly that Gadaffi threatened violence and death to the opposition. Once the opposition began defending themselves they became rebels.

Yes, Gadaffi deliberately killed civilians. Semantics doesn't change the facts.

thats rubbish the rebels are mainly from the east were it's very fundamentalist in religious nature...they turned on gaddafi because he closed down there fundamentalist schools,and told them to put the koran back on the shelf,as he brings libya into the 21st century...and another known fact is that a hell of a lot al,qaeda were and are eastern libyans...

honestly i could link you to video's of what the so called rebels are doing out there to the libyans soldiers and civilians....they are beheading everyone they catch or that surrenders..the west is not showing all the atrocities being done on the news by the rebels were many of them fresh from iraq,and it's a fact that some of the rebels are infact high ranking al,qaeda and known to the CIA....and from all the be-headings being done by the rebels....you can bet your life its the same lot who were killing americans not so long ago..

reply to post by nonetruegod


Yup, just like in every other war the U.S. has been involved in.

They jump at the chance to kill people, its why the U.S. occupies so many countries..

reply to post by TheMaverick


Good post OP, was just wondering what the source was for the quoted text, would like to read more.

Would recommend link below, a good read at least

Libya: All about Oil or all about Banking

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[Libyans] are entitled to free treatment, and their hospitals provide the best in the world of medical equipment. Education in Libya is free, capable young people have the opportunity to study abroad at government expense. When marrying, young couples receive 60,000 Libyan dinars (about 50,000 U.S. dollars) of financial assistance. Non-interest state loans, and as practice shows, undated. Due to government subsidies the price of cars is much lower than in Europe, and they are affordable for every family. Gasoline and bread cost a penny, no taxes for those who are engaged in agriculture. The Libyan people are quiet and peaceful, are not inclined to drink, and are very religious.

this is what the rebel are opposing..lol

As the United Nations works feverishly to condemn Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi for cracking down on protesters, the body's Human Rights Council is poised to adopt a report chock-full of praise for Libya's human rights record.

The review commends Libya for improving educational opportunities, for making human rights a "priority" and for bettering its "constitutional" framework. Several countries, including Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia but also Canada, give Libya positive marks for the legal protections afforded to its citizens -- who are now revolting against the regime and facing bloody reprisal. Whatever might be said of Gaddafi, the Libyan people seem to be thriving.

A delegation of medical professionals from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus wrote in an appeal to Russian President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin that after becoming acquainted with Libyan life, it was their view that in few nations did people live in such comfort:

nice find..and a good read ..thx uk wolf

Edit:LINK you wanted.

reply to post by TheMaverick


Was just wondering what the source was for the quoted text in your original post refering to Judiocial watch,

would like to read more on it

Originally posted by TheMaverick
reply to post by ukWolf

 

[Libyans] are entitled to free treatment, and their hospitals provide the best in the world of medical equipment. Education in Libya is free, capable young people have the opportunity to study abroad at government expense. When marrying, young couples receive 60,000 Libyan dinars (about 50,000 U.S. dollars) of financial assistance. Non-interest state loans, and as practice shows, undated. Due to government subsidies the price of cars is much lower than in Europe, and they are affordable for every family. Gasoline and bread cost a penny, no taxes for those who are engaged in agriculture. The Libyan people are quiet and peaceful, are not inclined to drink, and are very religious.

this is what the rebel are opposing..lol

As the United Nations works feverishly to condemn Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi for cracking down on protesters, the body's Human Rights Council is poised to adopt a report chock-full of praise for Libya's human rights record.

The review commends Libya for improving educational opportunities, for making human rights a "priority" and for bettering its "constitutional" framework. Several countries, including Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia but also Canada, give Libya positive marks for the legal protections afforded to its citizens -- who are now revolting against the regime and facing bloody reprisal. Whatever might be said of Gaddafi, the Libyan people seem to be thriving.

A delegation of medical professionals from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus wrote in an appeal to Russian President Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin that after becoming acquainted with Libyan life, it was their view that in few nations did people live in such comfort:

nice find..and a good read ..thx uk wolf

Edit:LINK you wanted.

edit on 19-4-2011 by TheMaverick because: (no reason given)

Wow....I have to say if they weren't in a state of war, I would be pretty jealous....

I thought I had it good where I lived....which in the U.S. is sadly slowly decaying away....

Any links quoting this above text? I would like to read the article.

reply to post by Quickfix


Original article - Libya - All about Oil or All About Banking

2nd line

reply to post by ukWolf


Thanks

Its all about banking by the way....banking controls the oil industry...and everything else.