Conspiracy regarding the cutting of social programs, etc

Originally posted by The Sword
I just wanted to point out that the partisan debate over social programs is a distraction from the real issues that face this country.

I don't know if the Tea Party folks realize it or not but we are fighting 3 wars and pumping billions of dollars into our defense industries every single year.

Why hasn't the Tea Party suggested cuts in the defense budget?

Why haven't they rallied to withdraw our troops from Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya?

What do Rand Paul and Paul Ryan really want for this country?

Think about this angle:

Social programs (welfare, medicare, ssi/ssdi, medicaid) are cut, thus putting people into a situation where they become desperate and retaliate.

Think about it. It's not that far-fetched. Is it guaranteed? That depends on how much you cut.

But, it gives the government a wonderful excuse to use those FEMA camps and trains.

High unemployment + no safety nets = ????

Well if you actually studied the tea party you would see that they have called for massive cuts and our withdrawl out of the wars. And it's actually those exact social programs along with defense that need to be cut to save money. They make up about 80% of our total spending when you add them all together.

Originally posted by Misoir
The true Tea Partiers have been quite vocal about the issue, maybe not as vocal as with ObamaCare for example but this has not completely distracted them from the real budget issues.

As I have already stated in another thread, the first thing which should be cut is worthless domestic spending such as pork projects then second is the war budget. We have no right to be in Iraq, Libya, or Pakistan, Afghanistan we do have a right to be there but our current and previous policy initiatives in regards to that country have been horrible.

Read my custom title, I am an Isolationist. So these wars IMO are not only immoral but unconstitutional. And yes even to those who like to say “Libya isn’t a war”, yes it is, read what a war means.

Then we have William Kristol (leading Neocon) saying Obama is a “born-again Neocon”. Like the guy ever wasn’t.

. All politicians care about is making big business big money and if Americans troops and treasure along with Muslim lives must be sacrificed, they have no problem with that.

Actually the President has 60 days to authorize military action for whatever reason he sees fit before he needs to seek approval from congress. If he goes past that date then it becomes illegal but not unconstitutional. Nothing in the constitution mentions this. He must follow the War Powers Act however.

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Watch it.

I've voted for Ron twice now. We notice in the video you posted his estimate of a 30% military budget cut over a period of time and in line with the ending of our overseas military adventures. In this anti imperialist stance Ron has been very consistent.

However what I heard in the Rand video you posted was this. I heard the woman ask him if he supported a cut in military spending to which he said yes, and she asked if he could be specific. He replied that it is difficult to give exact numbers and then pulled "the switch".

After stating that exact numbers are difficult to give, the woman let him continue with his statement because he began to refer to what a general had to say. But when he finished relaying what the general had had to say, wha la, it had nothing to do with military funding just a vague reference to how bad the deficit is.

Classic.

I heartily encourage those who have found in Ron Paul a glimmer of hope in our political process to not blindly carry this hope over to Rand Paul. He is not his father and I believe he never will be. I cannot trust him like I do father.

Originally posted by watchitburn
Most people don't realize this but our troops are tired and pissed off.

There is no clear objective in Afghanistan anymore besides come home alive with all your limbs intact. THAT IS ALL THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT AT THIS POINT!

Tell them they have to go fight another war in LIbya and they will probably tell the Govt. to F***k off.(congressional approval or not) It has seriously gotten to this point.

Not true at all. My nephew just went in the service in August so the constant turnover probably prevents this. I doubt if most of the soldiers from 10 years ago are still over there.

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Oh come on Misoir, you are a born again Socialist!

LOL, I know I am but what are you! LOL

Damn folks pounding truth changed you didn't they? I be one of them. You best beware of the end times!

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Fair enough.

However, I still wouldn't blame Obama for high unemployment.

But, there's one of your points that I want to address: what constitutes a "victory" in either Iraq or Afghanistan?
I don't think we can achieve one in either.

I see that Rand supposedly supports cutting defense spending. Perhaps it's time he put his money where his mouth is?


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The U.S was founded by illegal immigrants! Who gave the English, Dutch and French permission to come here, enslave the population and wipe out entire native cultures?

You just don't #ing get it!

Why does such ignorance fester in this country? Are people really that stupid?


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To be frank, we didn't go into it with a clear idea of what victory constitutes. Now? It's an even bigger cluster.

Military's job is to kill people and break things. Not win hearts and minds. We tried that in Vietnam. I see an end to this "conflict" along the same lines unless we can get some real leadership with some clear goals.

Reply to post by kro32

Cut the defense spending first.

Trust me, they are playing with fire.

Also, if you pay into a program, you're entitled to it too!

It just seems easier to call people "leeches" and refuse to look at the bottom line.


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WOW, that tent sure shrunk when someone said something you do not like.

HmmmmmDJK

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I see no end unless bold action is taken.

We can keep clinging onto the excuse that we must rebuild these countries or we can withdraw in portions until all troops are out.


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If you don't have anything constructive to say, go troll somewhere else.

I'm looking for a legit discussion, not an immigrant-bashing thread.

So far, most have been civil.


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HEY, why not just nuke em and then move in!?

That should satisfy the communists..........erm democrats I mean.

Now that the Democrats are in Power, "War is good"!

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Civility-

1. Formal politeness and courtesy in behavior or speech.
2. Polite remarks used in formal conversation.

For some unknown reason, war and decimation does not seem to be in there.

Originally posted by The Sword
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Cut the defense spending first.

Trust me, they are playing with fire.

Also, if you pay into a program, you're entitled to it too!

It just seems easier to call people "leeches" and refuse to look at the bottom line.

 

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I never said cut spending first and I also never called anyone a leech

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Misoir

Dog gone. Excellent post. Isolationist. That my friend is a staunch position, one worth consideration in relation to both right and left and one with a great moral history.

Man, that would make a very good thread in itself. Have you ever done a thread on isolationism as a philosophical position? I could dig that URL if you have. If you haven't you might consider doing us ALL a favor and doing one up with history and stuff.

Originally posted by The Sword
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The U.S was founded by illegal immigrants! Who gave the English, Dutch and French permission to come here, enslave the population and wipe out entire native cultures?

You just don't #ing get it!

Why does such ignorance fester in this country? Are people really that stupid?

 

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actually when the U.S. was founded those countries were already off our shores for all intents and purposes. And there were no laws yet regarding immigration so no one was an illegal.

The conspiracy revolves around two levels of the elite’s agenda:

Level 1: Destroy in the US any vestige of power of the middle class

This is being done by the outsourcing of American middle class jobs, and the mass illegal immigration; the attack on the New Deal programs, primarily by the Republican Party; and the concentration of real wealth in the hands of a few.


Another level is the strategic demise of the middle classes last vestige of power . . . that exists in the public service unions.

This is fueled by the puppets of the Republican Party, who have been assigned not only the task to continue their vicious attack on the New Deal, but to cement that destruction through the annihilation of public service unionism.

The present activities going on now around the country, led by Republican Governors, attacking state unions is this plan being enacted before our eyes.

The OP may be correct in deducing that once the lower and middle classes become so disillusioned by the hopelessness that will ensue through this attack on them . . . any attempt to revolt will be met by severe repercussions; such as putting dissidents in FEMA camps.

Originally posted by beezzer
Cutting funds DURING wars is just silly. Cutting funds after you win the wars makes sense. Cutting funds during a war would be akin to cutting gas usage during a road trip. Yeah, we cut funds! But we aren't where we want to be.

You're nuts if you think any of the current foreign wars the US is committed to are "winnable".

The opposite is true. They are designed to go on in perpetuity, lining the pockets of war profiteers.