34 Firms...Unknown to Dun & Bradstreet

Dun and Bradstreet is where you go to learn who's who in business.

Dun and Bradstreet

It's also an informative tool to use to discover that you're really just a chattel slave to the corporate types of the world. Check out your local police department or your representative in congress if you doubt me. Here's a link to my Senator, who's name is listed as a corporation for profit at Dun and Bradstreet. Why would my senator be registered as a business for profit? Who's profit?

Ron Wyden

But I digress.

This post is about the ongoing discovery by intrepid researchers into the number of false businesses and their employees who died in the WTC on 911.

Dun and Bradstreet keeps tabs on real corporations, because greedy corporate types want to know how badly they're going to get screwed by other greedy corporate types they're dealing with.

It seems there were many false front corporations at the WTC, which further supports the belief that the towers were gigantic props for Intelligence Services. Excerpts from the article:

Regus, which provided companies with temporary, small-scale offices, or office services, was planned as a way to justify the disappearances of deep cover assets from a variety of backgrounds, in the same way that Alliance Business Center, operating in the North Tower allowed, as did the Risk Waters conference, held at Windows on the World Restaurant, which became a "catch-all" category for professional losses. Unfortunately for the planners, Regus didn't start operation in the South Tower until June of 2001, and so, wisely, its utilization was abandoned, other than the handful of staff said to have perished. Still, the early "concern" was "significantly" elevated.

Let us be clear that all the media reports say that AON occupied three full floor, and not the seven floors the Port Authority is wont to dissemble. Most of the significant, legitimate tenants in the trade center had their square footage doubled by the PA to account for some of the vast amount of empty space within the towers.

Roughly they say. Although the Washington Group did in fact have a listing with Dun & Bradstreet, this firm's name conspicuously disappeared from later news reports, subsumed within the Raytheon corporate family perhaps. In "fact" eleven Washington Group employees and contractors were said to have been killed in the South Tower, which is a far cry from 40. (See Victims of the World Trade Center attack, listed by employer, at www.albany.edu...) Interestingly, the only "Raytheon" deaths were four executives killed on the various 9/11 flights. Another firm said to have had offices on the 91rst floor was Gibbs & Hill, which according to a district attorney was entirely a bogus operation.

911 was a much bigger operation than we are led to believe.

Rest of the article here:

34 Firms Unknown to Dun and Bradstreet

Interesting. How inclusive is Dun and Bradstreet. How big does a company have to be to be listed? Is there a limit? Nobody is denying 911 was an operation on a large scale, that might have gone well beyond Israel and Mossad.

Originally posted by Cassius666
Interesting. How inclusive is Dun and Bradstreet. How big does a company have to be to be listed? Is there a limit? Nobody is denying 911 was an operation on a large scale, that might have gone well beyond Israel and Mossad.

edit on 5-4-2011 by Cassius666 because: (no reason given)

I don't know how inclusive they are, but if the firms were false fronts I'm not sure they'd be listed in their database.

I would think if D&B lists my local Police Department, they'd list a firm that leased space in the World Trade Center.

Reading some of those company names it would not be a conclusive search at all. Small companies are oftentimes not listed.

Are you saying they dont exist? Try looking them up in the NY secretary of state database. I have not done this so I dont know either way.

Keep in mind just because they are listed in either source does not mean they are legitimate by any means.

By looking them up in the SOS database you could at least determine the name of a person or lawfirm who registered the business.

reply to post by Yankee451


Could not find Franklin Templeton Investments in D&B?

Were you looking in the right spot ?

Company is know as FRANKLIN RESOURCES INC

Franklin Templeton Investments is the name of our global brand. Our company, which is listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol BEN, is Franklin Resources. Inc. Please visit Investor Relations for company information.

As for Ron Wyden having a listing - many professionals (lawyers, doctors, engineers) incorporate themselves
for their services

Unfortunately the clowns at LETS ROLL FORUM as notorious for this kind of crap......

Do some sloppy half ass "research" then proclaim it as some grand conspiracy

Took me 30 seconds to locate corporate name of Frankllin Templeton

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This post was from Steven Warran; why do you bring up Let's Roll? Although I consider it an honor to be lumped in with the serious research being done at Lets Roll, I don't hold a candle to them, and I'm not affiliated with them. I post there and here on occasion.

Regarding Franklin Templeton Investments, this is what was printed in the article. Was it incorrect?

Floors 90, 94, 95, 96 and 97 Franklin Templeton Investments, owners of Fiduciary Trust Company International, said that between half and three-quarters of its 600 employees were accounted for. Fiduciary Trust was bought by Franklin Templeton in April this year, and the company specialised in investments for very wealthy individuals. The company's chairman, Charles Johnson, said: "Our greatest concern at this time is for the safety and wellbeing of our employees"

Their "great concern" left a pretty broad range of between 300 and 150 potentially dead employees (remember, this is Friday following the attacks.) The last-minute reorganization of companies is also a marked motif throughout the 9/11 conspiracy. Franklin Templeton Investments does not have a Dun & Bradstreet ID. (The final tally was 46 for Fidelity, and one for Franklin Templeton, or 47 total.)

Can you think of any use for 150 still live, yet officially missing ex-intelligence agents?

reply to post by Yankee451


150 Missing intelligence agents? Now know you are delusional......

Fiduciary Trust/Franklin Templeton lost 87 employees that day

As you may know, Fiduciary Trust International and its parent company Franklin Templeton lost 87 employees in the World Trade Center attacks.

Many employees took advantage of 16 minute interval between impact at North Tower (Wtc1) and South Tower (Wtc 2) to leave

Tom Sullivan knew.

In his office at Fiduciary Trust on the 97th floor, the portfolio analyst had just told his boss, Anthony Ventura, that his wife was expecting twins. Then, he recalls, something out the window caught his eye: a jet streaking south over Manhattan. He had just enough time to yell "Get away from the windows!" before he dived to the floor as the jet crashed into the north tower, 40 yards away.

Sullivan, 30, an Army Reservist and an assistant fire warden for his floor, ran out of the his office and yelled at colleagues to hit the fire stairs. He didn't stop to take anything, not even his wedding ring lying by the keyboard.

Long article from USA TODAY on decision made by employees on whether to leave or not

www.usatoday.com...

Complex bit of human behavior - I'd seen this up close at fire scenes. Searching upper floors of office building
found people at desks, alarms blaring, smoke filling building from trash compactor fire , acting as if nothing had happened , Literally had to bum rush them out...

Fiduciary had a disaster recovery plan which was activated when emplyees witnessed impact on North Tower

www.forbes.com...

I suppose according to your warped view that this was some sort of conspiracy.....

The OP fails to note that my blog concerns firms said to be located in the World Trade Center towers, and not whether Franklin Templeton has a D-U-N-S number in general. Of course they do. Nor does my blog deny they have a specific address within the WTC complex, according to D & B.


As I quoted D&B:

"The following is a list of those businesses that, according to Dun & Bradstreet's records, operated from an address at the World Trade Center. This information is representative of information in D&B's database as of September 11, 2001 and may be updated as additional facts become known. Please Note: In some instances there will be multiple records with the same name or a similar name. This may result from the existence of multiple business operations or divisions/affiliates within the World Trade Center. D&B requests that any reprinting, reproduction or redistribution of this information include the following notation: Source: Dun & Bradstreet - www.dnb.com"

But other well-known firms said to be occupants of towers 1 & 2, such as Sun Microsystems, Lehman Brothers, and TD Waterhouse, DO NOT have references in the D & B database as maintaining offices in the WTC complex

As to the poster who criticizes others at the Let's Roll forum for their inadequate research, he/she is guilty of not even checking out the link to my original article. So pot---meet kettle.

reply to post by stevenwarran2


Thanks for the correction of my OP, and thanks for a great research article. You must have spent a ton of time on this. Much appreciated.

reply to post by stevenwarran2

But other well-known firms said to be occupants of towers 1 & 2, such as Sun Microsystems, Lehman Brothers, and TD Waterhouse, DO NOT have references in the D & B database as maintaining offices in the WTC complex

And? I don't get it. So what if the D&B listing is imperfect? Sounds like the garbage about some of the victims not being dead or never existing because they aren't listed in some online social security index.

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by stevenwarran2

 

But other well-known firms said to be occupants of towers 1 & 2, such as Sun Microsystems, Lehman Brothers, and TD Waterhouse, DO NOT have references in the D & B database as maintaining offices in the WTC complex

And? I don't get it. So what if the D&B listing is imperfect? Sounds like the garbage about some of the victims not being dead or never existing because they aren't listed in some online social security index.

The towers were gigantic duds which never sported enough occupancy to justify their existence. They became big billboards and empty statements of fraudulent power predominantly occupied by intelligence services and fake corporations.

This is not speculation, this is where the evidence leads.

I get a little tired of your nay saying and whining. If you've got some better information, spill it, otherwise if all you're going to do is belittle the hard work of dedicated people I wish you'd just put a sock in it.

Originally posted by Yankee451

The towers were gigantic duds which never sported enough occupancy to justify their existence. They became big billboards and empty statements of fraudulent power predominantly occupied by intelligence services and fake corporations.

This is not speculation, this is where the evidence leads.

Building owners still charge rent to government customers, and often like them because they may be poor negotiators and usually pay, though they are very slow to make decisions.

Perhaps the "coverup" was to inflate the apparent occupancy, all for commercial reasons---the landlord expected to lease the replacement building.

Originally posted by mbkennel

Building owners still charge rent to government customers, and often like them because they may be poor negotiators and usually pay, though they are very slow to make decisions.

Perhaps the "coverup" was to inflate the apparent occupancy, all for commercial reasons---the landlord expected to lease the replacement building.

I can see it playing out like this, but I really don't know. It could be they were built as props to begin with. I digress...

They decide to make the WTC the tallest buildings in the world, so the pressure is on.
They build using an innovative design which doesn't require all the floors to be installed. This is supported by photographic evidence throughout the construction. Some floors, like mechanical floors may have been concreted, but the others could be deployed as needed, pulling up the floor decking as the construction moved up.

This would be much cheaper for the building owners, only finishing the floors as they were leased. Think of it as a big development of new homes...the contractor builds a few model homes, and develops the rest of the project in phases, as the finished models are sold.

So they finished say the bottom and top dozen or so floors, and perhaps a few in the middle, but never were able to lease the other hundreds of acres. Over time, the building owners installed shutter and lighting systems to give the impression that their development was a busy city within a city...no one would want to lease space in an empty tower. This thriving metropolis myth was reinforced by tourists going to the top of the towers, real employees working in what real offices did exist in the towers, and the subway traffic.

After a few decades of trying to maintain the ruse, it became clear the buildings would need to be destroyed, but the environmental impact was too great and the public would never stand for it.

What to do...what to do...

reply to post by Yankee451

The towers were gigantic duds which never sported enough occupancy to justify their existence. They became big billboards and empty statements of fraudulent power predominantly occupied by intelligence services and fake corporations.

This is not speculation, this is where the evidence leads.

You have evidence to support this opinion? Predominantly occupied by intelligence services? You have "evidence" to support this? Or just links to conspiracy websites? There is a difference you know.

I get a little tired of your nay saying and whining. If you've got some better information, spill it, otherwise if all you're going to do is belittle the hard work of dedicated people I wish you'd just put a sock in it.

No, I have no information to support your fanatasies. Sorry.

reply to post by Yankee451


Maybe some info can be dugged up about those corporations which have not been listed. If the list is very conclsuive and includes virtually every small buisness in the country, then its suspicious indeed that corporations which rented space in the WTC arent listed. What can be found out about those corporations that were not listed. Are the genuine or is there reason to suspect they were just a front, beyond them not being listed? Did they have any buisness or were they inactive without clients, because they were just a front?

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Yankee451

 

The towers were gigantic duds which never sported enough occupancy to justify their existence. They became big billboards and empty statements of fraudulent power predominantly occupied by intelligence services and fake corporations.

This is not speculation, this is where the evidence leads.

You have evidence to support this opinion? Predominantly occupied by intelligence services? You have "evidence" to support this? Or just links to conspiracy websites? There is a difference you know.

I get a little tired of your nay saying and whining. If you've got some better information, spill it, otherwise if all you're going to do is belittle the hard work of dedicated people I wish you'd just put a sock in it.

No, I have no information to support your fanatasies. Sorry.

Yes I do have evidence to back up my opinion, what's your excuse? Your sister gave you yours?

Unlike you, I don't rely on the TeeVee for my opinions, so that may be why all you do on ATS is belittle and discount. Rarely do you provide any "evidence" to support your opinions, and when given contradictory proof, you simply ignore it, or you'll make up a fake eye witness when you're cornered.

Originally posted by Cassius666
reply to post by Yankee451

 

Maybe some info can be dugged up about those corporations which have not been listed. If the list is very conclsuive and includes virtually every small buisness in the country, then its suspicious indeed that corporations which rented space in the WTC arent listed. What can be found out about those corporations that were not listed. Are the genuine or is there reason to suspect they were just a front, beyond them not being listed? Did they have any buisness or were they inactive without clients, because they were just a front?

There are many folks researching this angle. Read the article in the OP...its a long one...and then check the Hollow Towers threads on Lets Roll...it fits the evidence nicely.

Buildings to be demolished undergo a pre-demolition dismantling of plumbing fixtures, carpets, wires...basically everything that can be removed and recycled will be removed or it would become a projectile. The Hollow Towers threads discuss all the items missing from the debris piles...telephones, toilets, break room refrigerators, vending machines, cubicles, computers, monitors, elevator doors, etc.

reply to post by Yankee451


Well everything has beem mashed up good. Personally I think it was due to big@ss explosives. I am not saying there might have been fronts, but there were genuine corporations as well. Werent the people who died in the towers employees?

Originally posted by Cassius666
reply to post by Yankee451

 

Well everything has beem mashed up good. Personally I think it was due to big@ss explosives. I am not saying there might have been fronts, but there were genuine corporations as well. Werent the people who died in the towers employees?

I think that's the point...that if say the telephones and computers were actually there when those explosives went off, they would have rained all over Manhattan.

As far as the employees, I would think they'd want some real victims to make the scam believable, and that's what the article implies...with false front firms come fake employees which can boost the casualty counts.

Originally posted by Cassius666
Interesting. How inclusive is Dun and Bradstreet. How big does a company have to be to be listed? Is there a limit? Nobody is denying 911 was an operation on a large scale, that might have gone well beyond Israel and Mossad.

edit on 5-4-2011 by Cassius666 because: (no reason given)

A company doesn't have to be large at all. I was a one man show when I listed my company with Dun & Bradstreet. Being listed with Dun & Bradstreet starts a business credit profile and helps with acquiring business credit. When obtaining a business loan most lenders will check your Dun & Bradstreet credit score.