The Office of Naval Intelligence and UFOs.

There's some very interesting reading in the article below about the role of the Office of Naval Intelligence in the UFO subject - it also makes mention of Donald Menzel's association with the organization, speculates about UFO origin and states that the U.S. Government was aware of the 'marine aspect' of the phenomenon all along.

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Air Intelligence Division Study No. 203 with the help of the Office of Naval Intelligence presents the first important clue that the Pentagon was well aware of the phenomenon's marine nature. This document is one of the rarest documents in the national archives linking the Office of Naval Intelligence to any association with the investigation of the phenomenon and offers an early clue that the study of the UFO phenomenon did not fall totally within the realm of the Air Force. Could the naval UFO experience be more involved than the air force..?

Recent reports by UFO researchers suggest there is an on going Navy effort to destroy any evidence linking the navy to the UFO phenomenon. The reports of UFO sightings being edited out of ship's logs, by UFO researchers, confirms a considerable naval sensitivity to the phenomenon. Researchers have also reported the naval archives in Seacaus, New Jersey appear to have been purposely sabotaged. Documents are missing and files have purposely been mixed chronologically thwarting researchers attempts to do meaningful research at this facility relating to the UFO phenomenon.

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Missing Naval Log Books:

Brand New Log Books / Do not Discuss:

Feb 1963 Royal Navy North Atlantic Fleet:

After Tom witnessed the senior officer enter the UFO observations in the radar log book, their shift ended. Radar room personnel on the early morning watch ate breakfast and then turned in. Probably sometime between 1200 and 1300, Tom said he was awakened and ordered to report to the ward room, along with the five radar and sonar operators on his shift that morning.
The senior officer proceeded to go over the events of that morning, asking questions about the radar-sonar observations.He told the six men that their conversations were being taped and explained that until more was known about the unknown target, they were to remain silent about what they had seen. "Gentlemen," the officer said, "we will remember that we have all signed the Official Secrets Act (or words to that effect)." Although there were no threats, the implication was clear that to divulge anything to anyone concerning the tracking of the UFO would be considered a breach of security.
I asked Tom if the meeting might have been part of a general order carried out on other ships in the fleet as well in connection with the UFO incident. He responded that he didn't know if it was or not.
The witness recollected that he was in the ward room about 10 minutes. He said he never heard anything further about the unknown target.
When Preston came on duty once again at 2400 hours, he said he was surprised to discover that a "spanking new book" had replaced the radar log used the previous morning.

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USS Reeves:

All of a sudden I lost Sonar Contact like it was never there, but CIC still had it at last bearing with an abrupt positive altitude change. The chatter was look at the size of that thing. I went outside through the sonar door on the Port Side and visually saw a large moonlike shape that flew upward over the ship at a 60 degree angle and disappeared into the sky in seconds. I heard no noise from the object when it went over us. I saw a full moon that night on the other side of the ship, but it remained fairly constant give or take a few ship rolls.

When we pulled into port a few weeks later, all records in the Bridge, CIC, and Sonar logs about that time were torn out. Whoever tore them out made one error, the pen imprint on the next page was still there. No one spoke of the incident again

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USS Reclaimer:

The F-14 went to full afterburner right off the deck, pulling a rooster-tail7 behind it. It rattled the ship severely as it went by. This USO thing pulled easily ahead of the jet, crossed the horizon in seconds while underwater... no visible wake. It just... I mean this thing was FAST. Well, we just stood there. Wow, you know... what do ya say. We speculated about what it was. Guam told us it was a classified matter not to be reported or discussed.

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Carrier USS Kearsarge:

The cameraman was able to get some photos, not sure how many, before they all took off almost straight up and out of sight.
The cameraman turned the film into to his superior officer and was told to not ever mention it. My dad said he and his friend were asked about the incident by their NCO and also told not to ever talk about it.

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Sonar operator Account -British Destroyer Warship:

One of Sanderson's sources stated that no less than 13 craft recorded in their logs that their sonars had tracked this object. Allegedly, the unknown target continued to be tracked for four days as it maneuvered down to depths of 27,000 feet! (This must have been in the vicinity of the Atlantic's deepest point -- 28,374 feet below sea level -- in the Puerto Rico Trench.)
If the above story is true, nothing of known earthly origin can travel underwater at such speeds or maneuver at such depths. The fastest nuclear subs can attain 45 knots (52 miles per hour) and dive to around 3,000 feet. The bathyscaphe Trieste, with a specially constructed pressure-resistant hull, descended to a record 35,820 feet in 1960. However, it was incapable of maneuvering about.
It is unfortunate that more than 21 years elapsed before the Preston case reached the attention of a UFO investigator. We have here yet another example of government UFO secrecy at work--this time a foreign nation, Great Britain. Largely due to his apprehension over potential repercussions if he revealed his experience,Tom felt compelled to keep his knowledge of the event to himself. Since it hadn't occurred to him at the time that the radar log notes would be removed,he had only his memory to rely upon during our interviews.

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USS John F. Kennedy

So we exited the Communications Center and went to the catwalk on the port side of the ship on the edge of the flight deck and we observed a large glowing sphere over the ship. It was hard to decide what size this thing was because there was no perspective. It was late in the evening. The sun had gone down, it was twilight, but it looked huge…

After that, I talked to a few shipmate friends that I had on the ship. One in particular worked in the radar department and he was on watch during the incident. He told me that all the radar screens were glowing- and then nothing. They couldn’t detect anything on radar. We stayed up most of the night talking about it.

We heard that the compasses were not working on the bridge and that the radar navigational system had gone offline…

A few days later the Commanding Officer and the Executive Officer came on the closed circuit television system that we had on board. It was the only way that they could address the crew of 5,000. He [the Commanding Officer] looked at the camera - and I will never forget this - and he said, "I would like to remind the crew that certain events that take place on board a major naval combative vessel are considered classified and should not be discussed with anyone without a need to know." And that was all he said.

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USS Edenton

During one of my scans of the night sky, out of know where, four red circular lights appeared. The lights where hundreds of yards apart from each other and formed a square.
After relaying the contact information a second time, the four lights, in a flash, darted towards the horizon amazingly fast. The lower two lights in the square went first, with the top two lights following directly behind them in a curved swooshing motion and there was no sound.
Next, after a half hour had passed since the sighting, the radiation detection system (gamma roentgen meter) on the bridge started making a loud clicking sound. At first, no one seemed to know what was making this sound then a very loud bell went off notifying us as to what was going on, we were being radiated.
The captain stated not to log the instance concerning the radiation exposure and left the bridge. During the rest of my watch duty that night, no officer or enlisted person spoke of what happened, and also acted liked nothing happened.

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Submarine repair ship 'The Volga' ,October 7, 1977.


"Were such reports made public?"

Azhazha shook his head no. "At the time, naturally, they were classified top secret. Now we have a more open attitude in this country. We are able to talk about such things. On a few rare occasions I did publish some UFO information, but I paid for it under Leonid Brezhnev.The official reaction was very harsh, very negative. My career suffered as a result, and the directorship of a scientific group was taken away from me."

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Captain of Navy R5D aircraft,February 8,1951:

Crew members and passengers witnessed UFO emerging from the Atlantic ocean:

When we landed at Argentia (Newfoundland), we were met by intelligence officers. The types of questions they asked us were like Henry Ford asking about the Model T.
You got the feeling that they were putting words in your mouth.
It was obvious that there had been many sightings in the same area, and most of the observers did not let the cat out of the bag openly. When we arrived in the United States, we had to make a full report to Navy Intelligence..
I found out a few months later that Gander radar did track the object in excess of 1800 mph".

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USS Waldron,1968-Near Puerto Rico:

They were tracking two bright lights, that didn't answer up to IFF – they weren't enemy, friend, foe or commercial aircraft. And were flying at speeds in excess of 400 knots and making turns at right angles. Nothing we knew of could do this but they did.

We were on an operation called Racer Run near Puerto Rico. Ship officials supposedly logged a report to Washington but we never heard anymore about it.

I've told several people about this and many acted as if I had 3 heads, but I have witnesses and evidence: there were about 20 in the 2 bridge watch sections, the combat watch sections (CIC), the ships log and the report sent to Washington.

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Related Threads:

USO Research

Water related UFO/USO phenomenon: Suboceanic Intelligence?

Forgotten UFO Researcher Ivan T. Sanderson

great thread yet again. Very informative. USO's are some of my favorite cases.
Thanks for such a well done post.

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Network dude, thanks for the reply mate and it's certainly a very intriguing subject - I don't know if you've seen the thread but there's more info here about all the UFO/USO activity experienced aboard the U.S.S. Franklin D. Roosevelt - there's also another interesting article below dealing with NICAP and the U.S. Navy:


UFOs & The Enigma of the United States Navy


Cheers.

Some reading about 'Naval Intelligence' taken from Timothy Good's book 'Need to Know: UFOs, the Military and Intelligence':

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Chapter 9

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Great, as usual, karl!
S&F.

Thanks again for an excellent post Karl. Always look forward to them...

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Hey Arken, thanks for the post - considering the sheer number of Naval reports in the USO thread, it looks like official Naval UFO/USO documents are a bit thin on the ground - the only one I could find was this one from the archives of the Naval Security Group Command (COMNAVSECGRU) which describes a strange object emitting a bluish green beam of light:

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COMNAVSECGRU

APRIL 30, 1979

AT 220032 AUG 15 OBSVD BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT APPEARING AT BEARING 02E (TRUE NORTH), ELEVATION APPROX 15 DEGREES POSIT 6F MULLER 23 17 82 19[?]. DURING THE FIRST MIN OF OBSERVATION THE LIGHT WAS PULSATING OR FLUCTUATING IN BRIGHTNESS AT APPROX ONE SECOND INTERVALS. FOR THE NEXT TWO MINS OF OBSERVATION THE LIGHT BEGAN PULSATING CONCENTRIC RINGS OF LIGHT WHICH FLOWED FROM THE CENTRAL (S) SOURCE IN A RIPPLING, SHIMMERING FASHION DIMINISHING IN BRIGHTNESS AS THEY DREW FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ORIGINATING SOURCE. DURING THE FOURTH MINS OF OBSERVATION A BLUISH GREEN BEAM OF LIGHT APPEARED FROM THE CENTRAL CORE OF THE CONFIGURATION, EXTENDING OUTWARD AND DOWNWARD TO THE LEFT AT AN ANGLE OF APPROX 45 DEGREES, AND REACHING TO THE FADE OUT POINT OF THE RADIATING RINGS OF LIGHT. APPROX FIVE MINUTES AFTER THE APPEARANCE OF THE BLUISH-GREEN BEAM (SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE TO A SEARCHLIGHT BEAM), THE RADIATIVE CIRCLES OF LIGHT DISAPPEARED, LEAVING ONLY THE CORE OF LIGHT AND THE COLORED BEAM. FOLLOWING THE DISAPEARANCE OF THE CIRCLES, THE BEAM SEEMED TO RETRACT TOWARDS THE CENTRAL CORE, GROWING BROADER AND STOUTER AS IT RETRACTED. FINALLY, THE BEAM AND CORE SEEMED TO FORM INTO A NEBULOUS CLOUD-SHAPED MASS, WHICH DRIFTED SOUTH ON THE WIND, FADING FROM VIEW AFTER APPROX 14 MINS. DURING THE EVENT, THE FOLLOWING ATMOSPHERIC DATA WAS ACCUMULATED: BAROMETER 29.95, TEMPERATURE - 83 DEGREES DRY 178 DEGREES WET. VISIBILITY EXCELLENT, FOUR TENTHS CLOUD COVER (STRATUS AND CUMULUS) WIND E X N.S. AT 12 KTS, ELECTRICAL STORM FORMING OVER IMMEDIATE AREA OF CITY OF HAVA

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Cheers.

Thanks & great stuff, karl12.

Naval Intelligence does seem to be the keeper of the flame so to speak in regards many of the ufological mysteries. Unfortunately for us, as far as ufo/uso's go, they seem to be better at keeping secrets than most organizations.

Hopefully more members will build on this OP. I have some interesting & compatible material...I'll see if I can find it...

S&F!

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S & F
I strongly agree that Naval Intelligence is a major player in
in the universal investigation and knowledge of UFO/USO's and
has been in that capacity for many years.

S&F

Thanks for the research, yes fascinating

If one is to believe the Bob Lazar story, he claimed to work for the Department of Naval Intelligence and presented a W2 form allegedly from that organization.

www.gravitywarpdrive.com...

All I can think of is Zorgon rolling is eyes, sometimes I don't know why he wastes his time here, I know myself I have written about USO where they are in the deepest of our waters and year after year someone else writes a thread same stuff different day.

I'm not writing this with the intentions of being mean just pointing out facts, my bad

Thanks for posting this.
I read many things and documentaries on this and I find them just as much,if not more interesting than the UFO's in our skies...

Many solid reports and especially even from submarines....

Yes,,these craft can function quite well under water.

Many thoughts on this,,,,,?
To if they are just re-charging their ship somehow and operate on 2 types of power source's????
Underwater base(s)...??

Yes,they could be exploring down under the ocean as well,,,BUT,,,I feel there is something more to it????

Even old logs from ships long ago seen orbs/mysteries ??,,,enter and exit the ocean....

The ET craft probly is just as fast under water also maybe.
Maybe they use the waters ways(canal) more than we think???

I hope soon the truth comes out,,,It wont be a disclosure but like HEY!!,,,
EXPLAIN THIS!!!

great thread...

s&f

Originally posted by observe50
All I can think of is Zorgon rolling is eyes, sometimes I don't know why he wastes his time here, I know myself I have written about USO where they are in the deepest of our waters and year after year someone else writes a thread same stuff different day.

Soooo what about OUR USOs?

Or more precise UUVs (Unmanned Underwater Vehicles)

Like the CORMORANT..



or the MANTA



You might recall that one Observe from HERE

MANTA and CORMORANT

s&F

great thread extremely informative

there is very litlle info on USO's

need more research

Originally posted by ProfessionalCivilEngineer

If one is to believe the Bob Lazar story, he claimed to work for the Department of Naval Intelligence and presented a W2 form allegedly from that organization.

If one is to believe the Bob Lazar story there would have to be both an Office of Naval Intelligence and a Department of Naval Intelligence. Seems a bit redundant to me.

I know yawl LOVE Bob Lazar cause ya keep dragging his name out of mothballs

But he wasn't involved with the USO's His were in the Desert

Quote (partial) from the OP

"USS Reclaimer:

The F-14 went to full afterburner right off the deck, pulling a rooster-tail7 behind it. It rattled the ship severely as it went by. This USO thing pulled easily ahead of the jet, crossed the horizon in seconds while underwater... no visible wake. It just... I mean this thing was FAST. Well, we just stood there. Wow, you know... what do ya say. We speculated about what it was. Guam told us it was a classified matter not to be reported or discussed."

Many will howl that the above incident is totally, absolutely impossible for a solid device of any type to do, and thus, they will want to throw out this example if not others. I beg to differ with that view. There is a quite reasonable explanation that it was a solid craft and doing exactly as stated by the witnessess.

As I've stated on ATS several times and in my more recent thread "The Nuts and Bolts of Triangles," regardless of how they do it, the UFO and now triangles seem to have the ability to cancel mass by creating a field around themselves.

t seems obvious that such a field also extends outside of the physical body of the craft into the near local area of atmosphere and, in this case, water. With aerial UFOs that feature explains how they display the "flight" characteristics they do and more importantly to this discussion, why they do not create sonic booms. In short, the air in front of the craft becomes massless and flows effortlessly around the craft to fill the void behind it with hardly a disturbance to the local, non-effected air. I see no reason why that process would not work equally well in water also. --Damn! I just gave away one of the best-kept secrets of the US Navy!

Great thread per usual karl

I've lost count of the times throughout the years I've seen the Office of Naval Intelligence implicated and discovered to be a central player in various TS UFO matters.

Keep up the good work!

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The NAVY runs HAARP
The NAVY sent Clementine to the Moon
The NAVY has an UNLIMITED budget for 'Space Engineers" and an open contractor bid
The NAVY was rumored to be involved with Time/Dimension research (Philadelphia)
The NAVY is rumored to have paid Bob Lazar at Area 51
The NAVY has a submarine base under the Nevada Desert

The NAVY runs the real space program, keeps tabs on Schumann Resonance, has a cool rail gun and a laser capable of transmitting raw power to a base on the moon (SELENE) and now we see the NAVY is mixed up in the UFO mess...

I have only one thing to add

GO NAVY