Nephilim in Peru

Sir James Douglas wrote about a great airy man like being who shouted at them and threw rocks down into their canp by harrison lake when exploring inlaand of vancouver BC.
The Paiutes have a story of how the giants were drfeated, it basically goes this way.
The paiutes had driven the remnants of the giants into a cave,and they proceeded to pile brush and wood in the mouth of it till there was sufficient fuel for a large fire.
The paiutes set it ablaze and the giants all were killed.
I have read stories of this cave, and have heard that it was found a while back.
There were saidtoo be remains of the giants inside.

Consider that most legends and anecdotal writings have a truth or reality as their base...

For instance, Santa Claus...the little red suited guy that flys in a sleigh with eight tiny reindeer and gives toys to good girls and boys is actually based on a real Saint Nicholas...but see how far the legend strayed or bastardized the reality.

How hard is it to assume that maybe a group or groups of nautical explorers...ie Vikings went south west around the horn of South America...did get caught in a storm..and lost their way...navigating by strange stars, not the usual northern signs but by the southern constellations....

this would have them approach from the west...they were hungry...hungry survivors resort to canibalism ie Donner Party....they were without the benefit of women for a long time... look at what prison does to some heterosexual or pwer hungry men...

They landed with limited technology...limited supplies and skills...they could make sea farring craft but not swords...no blacksmiths or forges ... they were mighty warriors and larger than the average native...

throw in a few hundred years for the reality to dissolve into folklore and TADA>>>

Giants that ate people that stood 12 feet tall and were sodomites and abused the women folk...

Well, to me it looks more like a allegory to describe the Spanish invading the old empires of South America.

Giants = Spanish and their atrocities towards the Incas, for example.

But that is just me.

Originally posted by Canslli
Well, to me it looks more like a allegory to describe the Spanish invading the old empires of South America.

Giants = Spanish and their atrocities towards the Incas, for example.

But that is just me.

Not really. These giants at the end, were conquered by the Incas or punished by the "gods", their survivors eventually became part of the empire, that means these events took place before the spanish came to Peru.

Years ago, I've read some of them (or descendants), appeared in public. One of them was a main atraction about 100 years ago (don't remember exact time), in the "Plaza de Acho", big arena in Lima used for bullfights. The giant was forced to fight bulls with his bare hands, winning all the time.

There is another cronicle of how one of them, part of the Incas army, lifted the rocks of the walls of Sacsayhuaman Fortress and used against the spanish in the war with the conquistadors.

Note for skeptics : No, there is no video or photos.

Couple of observations:

- Cannibalism is known to lead to prionic disease. If you have seen Book of Eli, those shakes the cannibals got is this disease. Occassional eating of human flesh by a human is not risky, but repeated consuming will destroy the proteins in the muscles and nerves. I would not suspect that we have humans that frequently and recurringly eat human flesh, and if we do then it explains why they died out and possibly some of their seeming madness.

However, it could be a ritual of a cultural group. Like after you kill something, you must eat it (an extreme naturalism, for example). It has been seen in some Amerind cultures, where the heart of your enemy is eaten after winning a battle. My son and I both are advocates of hunting, but kind of go by the mantra that you can only kill what you will eat. Of course, i wouldn't eat a person...but I am trying to convey an idea here.

- there are known giants in history. Not the ones with pituitary problems, either. The Philistines were reported to be giants, and stories of them often refer to fighting with rocks (similar to stories recounted here). But even more recently, we have Angus Macaskill. He wasn't a violent man, but he was extraordinarily strong and large. Able to lift and carry items weighing the the tons. It would not be hard to imagine such a great man among a primitive people. It would be likely that he would bear many children, and it wouldn't be far fetched to think that a culture could spring up around the bloodline of such a man, if his progeny carried on his genetic freakishness.

The idea of giants in humanities past, given the way man tends to idolize "men of reknown", seems to be a no brainer to me. I would expect that most of the times in the past that you saw an Angus Macaskill come along, his "genetic profile" was utilized to the fullest. I mean, men knew about animal husbandry thousands of years ago. Why is there even a debate over it as a possibility?

I am always amazed at how people think the fossil record even represents reality. It paints a partial picture, to be sure. But we always seem to forget that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Something else to mention. I can't find this story now. It was about 10 years ago i read it on the internet somewhere. It was just a legend that was recounted. Cannot speak to validity.

In the eastern US there was a race of giants. They were reported to have terrorized the local indians, raping the women and eating the indians. They were reported to have excessive strength, be in the 9 foot range, and have "bones of iron". They also had multiple rows of teeth.

The indians called them the "Cat people", because when they talked they sounded like a panther (that is what makes that UFO sighting with cat like talking intriguing to me). They lived a more primitive life, less social order. Often they would go to a local river and would eat the rocks there. This was the source of the iron to make their bones so strong.

I would love to have a location to reference this story, if it is a real legend and not some made up, urban myth of the internet. Anyone else ever hear of them?

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Nevada’s Mysterious Cave of The Red-Haired Giants

July 10, 2010 by Ironlight

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Nevada’s Mysterious Cave of The Red-Haired Giants

July 10, 2010 by Ironlight

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Nevada’s Mysterious Cave of The Red-Haired Giants
by Terrence Aym
Source: Helium.com

Many Native American tribes from the Northeast and Southwest still relate the legends of the red-haired giants and how their ancestors fought terrible, protracted wars against the giants when they first encountered them in North America almost 15,000 years ago.

Others, like the Aztecs and Mayans recorded their encounters with a race of giants to the north when they ventured out on exploratory expeditions.

Who were these red-haired giants that history books have ignored? Their burial sites and remains have been discovered on nearly every continent.

In the United States they have been unearthed in Virginia and New York state, Michigan, Illinois and Tennessee, Arizona and Nevada.

And it’s in the state of Nevada that the story of the native Paiute’s wars against the giant red-haired men transformed from a local myth to a scientific reality during 1924 when the Lovelock Caves were excavated.

At one time the Lovelock Cave was known as Horseshoe cave because of its U-shaped interior. The cavern—located about 20 miles south of modern day Lovelock, Nevada, is approximately 40-feet deep and 60-feet wide.

It’s a very old cave that pre-dates humans on this continent. In prehistoric times it lay underneath a giant inland lake called Lahontan that covered much of western Nevada. Geologists have determined the cavern was formed by the lake’s currents and wave action.

The Legend
The Paiutes, a Native-American tribe indigenous to parts of Nevada, Utah and Arizona, told early white settlers about their ancestors’ battles with a ferocious race of white, red-haired giants. According to the Paiutes, the giants were already living in the area.
[Nevada Review-Miner newspaper, June 19, 1931.]



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Links to info, and a few pics of the giants in the Lima, Peru museum.

www.stevequayle.com...

www.sydhav.no...

Also a lot of info here on giants in general. www.stevequayle.com...

Beware. Not all pics of giants on the internet are real. Some are definitely hoaxes.

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if they are advance entities they might collect their dead or take them back like human soldiers do in war..just a thought.

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Totally off topic but your Avatar??? Absolutely one of the funniest deadpan sentences in history.

Originally posted by leemachino
Ancient Giants

Pretty good site on ancient giants. I would need a little more proof though. Anything is possible.

While I think the idea of giants living in current or ancient times would be a great story I have to say that this site is making some pretty wild insinuations.

This page is inferring that people with Gigantism (a pituitary gland disorder) are somehow connected to 'giants'.

While this idea, would be pretty cool (if it were true) we really shouldn't look over the facts of the condition. Excessive growth hormone causes major changes in the body. In fact, we can administer this synthetically nowadays and actually cause the same effects.

The people that suffer from that disorder live very difficult lives. There are a number of complications that arise, including but not limited to: Heart conditions, bone and skull deformities, severe and debilitating arthritis, etc.. etc. (don't forget short life-span)

So to say that people with this condition are somehow connect to a race of giants is bordering on crazy. All the ailments I mentioned don't sound like a super-race of any kind.

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Thanks, first time I got a comment about it,

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I believe we are talking about big groups of people not necesarly considered family between them, so the medical explanation hardly applies in this discussion. The only way to consider the gigantism in this case is if we see it as a consecuence suffered by descendants of the union between humans and no humans.

Genesis 6:1-4

When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days - and also afterward - when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Genesis 7:23

Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

Numbers 13:33

"We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Interesting article on giants, it covers Peru at the end.

www.articlesafari.com...

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Something else to mention. I can't find this story now. It was about 10 years ago i read it on the internet somewhere. It was just a legend that was recounted. Cannot speak to validity.

In the eastern US there was a race of giants. They were reported to have terrorized the local indians, raping the women and eating the indians. They were reported to have excessive strength, be in the 9 foot range, and have "bones of iron". They also had multiple rows of teeth.

The indians called them the "Cat people", because when they talked they sounded like a panther (that is what makes that UFO sighting with cat like talking intriguing to me). They lived a more primitive life, less social order. Often they would go to a local river and would eat the rocks there. This was the source of the iron to make their bones so strong.

I would love to have a location to reference this story, if it is a real legend and not some made up, urban myth of the internet. Anyone else ever hear of them?

Not sure how valid it is, but maybe you are talking about the "Ronnongwetowanca".

Obviously they were Vikings, because we all know South America was lousy with Vikings, and Vikings are well known cannibals.

It couldn't have been giants because giants don't fit the theory of evolution, and we all know the theory of evolution is 100% correct.

So move along people there's nothing to see here.

Here is another reference to giants in Peru :

According to the Incas (1190 - 1570 A.D.), Viracocha was the creator of civilization. He was one of the most important gods and his name was not to be mentioned or pronounced by commoners.

According to "History of the Incas" by Pedro Sarmiento De Gamboa, "The natives of this land affirm that in the beginning, and before this world was created, there was a being called Viracocha. He created a dark world without sun, moon or stars. Owing to this creation he was named Viracocha Pachayachachi, which means "Creator of all things." And when he had created the world he formed a race of giants of disproportioned greatness painted and sculptured, to see whether it would be well to make real men of that size. He then created men in his likeness as they are now; and they lived in darkness.

www.haktanir.org...

Here we have more evidence :

Ferdinand Magellan's expedition (1519–1522) was the first expedition to sail from the Atlantic Ocean into the Pacific Ocean. He also completed the first circumnavigation of the Earth

Captain Magellan in his ship’s log mentions a race of giants living on the Pacific coast of South America.

The myth of the Patagonian Giants, like other stories about remote, exotic places, captured the European imagination for a very long time. The first mention of this mythical race surfaced in the 1520s from the account of Antonio Pigafetta, chronicler of Ferdinand Magellan’s expedition:

But one day (without anyone expecting it) we saw a giant who was on the shore [near today’s Puerto San Julián, Argentina], quite naked, and who danced, leaped, and sang, and while he sang he threw sand and dust on his head. Our captain [Magellan] sent one of his men toward him, charging him to leap and sing like the other in order to reassure him and to show him friendship. Which he did. Immediately the man of the ship, dancing, led this giant to a small island where the captain awaited him. And when he was before us, he began to marvel and to be afraid, and he raised one finger upward, believing that we came from heaven. And he was so tall that the tallest of us only came up to his waist. Withal he was well proportioned. . . . The captain named the people of this sort Pathagoni.*

The etymology of the word is unclear, but Patagonia came to mean “Land of the Bigfeet.” Magellan seized two of the younger males as hostages to bring back to Spain, but they got sick and died on the journey.

libweb5.princeton.edu...

Originally posted by mrnotobc
Obviously they were Vikings, because we all know South America was lousy with Vikings, and Vikings are well known cannibals.

So move along people there's nothing to see here.

There is 0% of evidence or any kind information supporting your words, as far as I know. Please provide us the source(s) you have for your statement.

I MOSHAH (Gen.) 6:1-8

Bara-Esh-YA (The Creator of ‘The Explosion’ is YAH)

1 And so it took place that, AHdams (men of YAH) began to multiply on the surface of the ground and beautiful daughters were born to them. Many times three or four generations of men returned to The Covenant of YAH and His Word. They would prosper and have such abundance that no one lacked food, many houses, clothes and many animals to bear them. But most then forgot YAHUWAH and His Way. Because of this, greed and violence entered in to many peoples and destroyed many nations. These Wordless peoples spread across the earth stealing the livestock, land, children and women of others, killing those who resisted them. They preached both some of the Word of YAHUWAH necessary for any life but also their selfish corruption. This YAHUWAH hated because it is the way of destruction for every man and the worship of Shatan (man saves). The earth became filled with violence, greed and fear.
2 Then the sons of foreign gods (elohim) saw that the daughters of the men of YAH were beautiful and they took for themselves wives of all that they could steal.
3 YAHUWAH hwhy, being angry, said, “My RUWach (Spirit of YAHUWAH) will not tolerate men like these very long, therefore to those ruled by corrupted flesh, their opportunity to repent and seek Me will be no more than one hundred and twenty years."
4 Giants were made by YAHUWAH from ancient times to protect mankind from the large predators but pride and greed had corrupted them. They became feared and hated by many. These Wordless giants were still upon the Eartz in these days and often, these giant sons who followed foreign gods (elohim) stalked other men’s daughters. They forcibly took them and made them bear children to them, seeking for giant children. Many women died giving them birth yet they cared not for the life of their wives. These were violent Lawless men known far and wide for their violent Wordless ways.
5 YAHUWAH saw that these Wordless ones of mankind became overpowering on the Eartz, corrupting it to the violent Earth. Mankind of all tribes imagination and the thoughts of his heart were constantly about deceit, slavery, sex and violence! They even bred many animals to also become violent!
6 YAHUWAH grieved over these violent tribes of men who had so corrupted this region of the Eartz and it grieved Him in His very heart for YAHUWAH remembered who He had made them to be! Wordless men disqualify themselves to become His Family.
7 YAHUWAH said, “I must destroy these Wordless people whom have created violence on the surface of this land, all these Wordless violent men along with their violent animals, their violent creeping things and their violent birds of the sky, for they have failed to become what I have purposed for them."
8 Yet NUWach (NoAH) found favor in YAHUWAH's eyes.