Romanian Discovery |Inscribed Clay Tablets Predating Sumerian Tablets !!!!

I decided to start this Thread while posting on my previous thread Amazing Discovery in 2003 Bucegi Mountains because I think this subject needs to make it up there and be brought to everyone's attention.

The Amazing Story goes like this:

The tablets from Vadu Rau Romania (120 pieces)

Predating Sumerian Cuneiform tablets.

These incredible adventure with the inscribed "stones" in the '80s began when Professor Dumitru Ionita, during a recognition of land held in the city section called Vadu ,Farcasa Rau, has discovered a number of Neolithic objects, such as : weights for fishing nets or loom, polished stone axes,the tablets with inscription etc..

Among these objects, few have attracted particular attention. It's clay tablets, some rectangular, oval or round, signs incised: diamond fringe, intersecting lines, which constitute a support for other smaller lines arranged in a row, etc. various hollow points.

Over the years, erosion has continued on the right bank of Bistrita River, the opportunity that came brought to light dozens of such tablets, their number reaching 120, all carriers of different inscriptions.

The weight of the tablets is between 100 and 500 g.

Some of this tablets are almost identical with the ones from Tartaria discussed earlier in this topic.

Prof. Dr. Vasile Boroneanţ well known archaeologist, who, for many years, looked at the archaeological site and the Cladova Chitila where breakthroughs were made. In regards to this particular tablets he stated that similar inscriptions have been discovered Chitila and elsewhere and that They are similar to those of Mesopotamia.

British archaeologist Colin Renfrew, who performed all the digging in Bulgaria, Sitagroi, supports this hypothesis. Then, the famous Italian archaeologist Professor Marco Merlin, director of the Prehistory Knowledge Project, a member of the World Rock Art Academy Italy, who was keen to rhe "miracle"from Tartaria ,searched and found bones found by Vlassa together with the three tablets .

After they have been analyzed and dated to the Department of Geology, University of Rome, Professor Merlin concluded: dating is very old, around 7,300 years! And the bones belonged to a woman aged 50-55 years, which he assigns a religious role, because the bones were found among the 23 sacred objects, including a tissue anchor, some bracelets and some statues of idols.

Located in 2004 in our country, the famous Italian archaeologist would declare a colleague: "The bones are very old as tablets. Now it is a certainty. Now is our turn to find that writing began in Europe two thousand years before Summer. In Romania, we have a huge treasure, but it does not belong only to Romania, but all of Europe. "
I will try to find more photos of this tablets but I think this is pretty much Mind Blowing !!!!!!!

Vadu Rau Romania Tablets | 7000BC:

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Tartaria Tablets Romania 5500BC:
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Uruk Tablets Sumer 3000 BC:
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I will post more of the Tartaria Tablets and try to find more of the Vdu Rau for comparative reasons in the meantime please feel free to comment.

There si also an Artifact from Aiud that is basically made from ALUMINUM and more important
Because the age of the object was established to be 250000 years old !!!

This was brought to my attention by oone of the ATS members Nairda and is highly discussed on my previous Thread mentioned in the beginning.

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This is a quote from Nairda's post on my Thread

The story begins in the the area which by today description is the Transylvanian Plateau,near the city Of Aiud. During the excavations done in the local sand pit in 1973 (for construction purposes) the workers discovered 3 objects "wrapped " in the petrified compressed sand .The "Wrapped" look is normal because they were discovered at a depth of aprox 10 meters ( 33 feet) and excavated from the bank.For how long the objects were there nobody knows but one thing is for sure - for a river to create a 10 Meters (33 feet) thick sediment it takes a long time actually a very very long time. A specialist was called on the site and he identified the objects as follows : two of the objects were fossils of animal origin and the third one appeared to be a stone axe which they assumed it helped the primitive man to kill the animal of which bones were found near. For a better and more in depth evaluation these objects were sent to the researchers from the city of Cluj Napoca. After carefully "unwrapping" the objects from the petrified sand cover the researchers from Cluj city discovered that the animal fossils belonged to a young mastodon ( mammals that look like today elephants but lived until about 800 000 to 1000 000 years ago) and the object was found to be not a stone axe - was not even stone it was METAL. So what you will say .Well the story just begins so hold on to your hats !!! Ok let's move on. A more detailed analysis of the object revealed more interesting and unbelievable facts. The objects had 2 cylindrical holes of different sizes done in such way that the hole with the smaller diameter perpendicular penetrated the base of the other cylindrical hole.The larger hole base was oval as it was done by a shaft with a rounded head part with which it appeared to have been assembled.The object has surface marks that indicates strong and repeated strikes some of them very powerful. All the details suggest that the object was part of a larger functional assemble and that the object was lost in the river bank because of an undetermined reason. Now the juicy part... REPEATED metal analysis will provide more questions than answers and the questions were huge. The analysis spreadsheet provided by ICPMMN (Magurele research institute) showed that the metal composition of the object was in fact a complex alloy made from 12 elements and the that 89% of the alloy was ALUMINUM. The other components were found to be :Silicone 2.84% , Zinc 1.81%, Lead 0.41% ,Tin 0.33% ,Zirconium 0.2% ,Cadmium 0.0024%,Cobalt 0.0023% ,Bismuth - 0.0003%,Silver 0.0002% and Gallium traces. SOOO the Object is basically made from ALUMINUM - and why is this so important you will ask? Because the age of the object was established to be 250000 years old !!! BECAUSE ALUMINUM WAS DISCOVERED IN 1825 BY OERSTED IN HIS LAB AND THE INDUSTRIAL USE OF ALUMINUM BEGAN IN 1883 BECAUSE CADMIUM WAS DISCOVERED IN 1817 - NICKEL IN 1751 - BISMUTH IN 1753 AND COBALT IN 1735

It's strange that aluminum was found. I was thinking about the crash at Roswell and the metal found there. It was shiny, bendable and strong. Aluminum in our household use isn't that strong, but if you take the heavy duty foil and put three sheets on top of each other, it is super strong.

There has been plenty of artifacts from all over the world that seem to have some strange mystery behind it. The dropa stones for instance is something to look at.

www.badarchaeology.net...

Another interesting thread.

I have to say I am very doubtful about the age of the supposed axe head along with its composition. Unfortunately I can't speak or read Romanian so I can't assure myself that the source sites are 100% reliable. I'll have a look later and see if I can find anything in English about the finds

Source :www.romanianhistoryandculture.com...

An educational website for the Romanian Discoveries.

Tartaria Tablets:

The tablets are generally believed to have belonged to the Vinča culture, which at the time was believed by Serbian and Romanian archaeologists to have originated around 2700 BC. Vlassa interpreted the Tărtăria tablets as a hunting scene and the other two with signs as a kind of primitive writing similar to the early pictograms of the Sumerians. The discovery caused great interest in the archeological world as it predated the first Minoan writing, the oldest known writing in Europe. However, subsequent radiocarbon dating on the Tărtăria finds pushed the date of the tablets (and therefore of the whole Vinča culture) much further back, to as long ago as 5500 BC, the time of the early Eridu phase of the Sumerian civilization in Mesopotamia.[2] Still, this is disputed in the light of apparently contradictory stratigraphic evidence.[3] If the symbols are indeed a form of writing, then writing in the Danubian culture would far predate the earliest Sumerian cuneiform script or Egyptian hieroglyphs. They would thus be the world's earliest known form of writing. This claim remains controversial.

Also in Regards to the Tartaria Tablets

Nicolae Vlasa made a colossal discovery in 1961. At Tartaria, in an ancient tomb he found 2 tablets with inscriptions that were dated from 4500-200 BC. Tartaria, is located in Alba county, Saliste. At the same site there were found human skeletons. The inscriptions on the tablets are 1000 years older than the ones discovered at Djemer-Nasr, Kis and Uruk from Summer, dated by specialists somewhere around 3300 BC. The culture who created the tablets in taught to be Turdas-Vinca (4500-3700 BC). The tablets have been dated with C14 and it is officially confirmed that the inscriptions on them are the oldest form of writing known to man, outdating the Sumerian ones. There are 2 ipotetic translation of the text so far: NUN.KA.S.UGULA.PL.IDIM.KARA.I. >> On the 40 reign for Saue’s lips, the oldest after the ritual was burned. NUN-KA-SU-GULA-P/atesi/-L/ugal/-IDI-M/e/-KAR-A-I >> The main city from the acces place under the protection of Cula witch, lady who gives life, goddess of medicine and healer of the black heads (Sumerians), princess of the big man (a king maybe), who knew to give rules by the area located around the river". It is taught that Sumerians are descendants of the culture that created the tablets and that they migrated from the area where the discoveries were made later to become one of the most advanced civilizations of the Ancient World.

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That aluminium object look like an excavator bucket tooth. Theese are often field replaceable and the holes in the object seems to be for some type of bolt fastening to the bucket. Even the wear and tear of the object indicates this could be a bucket tooth. Aluminium bucket tooths comes in all types, but a google image search couldnt find anyting like this.
250.000 years old?? Im sceptical about that..

THE GRADESHNITSA TABLETS




The tablets date back to the 4th millennium B.C. They were found some 400 kilometres west of Lake Town. There are several dozens of them. Something is presumably written on their upper side. On their backside there seems to be a symbol resembling a sun wheel.

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THE KARANOVO TABLET
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June 13, 2008 German Scientists: Europe’s Oldest Script Found in Bulgaria 18 May 2005, Ancient tablets found in South Bulgaria are written in the oldest European script found ever, German scientists say. The tablets, unearthed near the Southern town of Kardzhali, are nearly 7,000 years old, and bear the ancient script of the Cretan (Minoan) civilization, according to scientists from the University of Heidelberg, who examined the foundings. This is the Cretan writing, also known as Linear A script, which dates back to XV-XIV century B.C. The discovery proves the theory of the Bulgarian archaeologists that the script on the foundings is one of the oldest known to humankind, the archaeologist Nikolay Ovcharov announced Wednesday. Ovcharov, who is heading the archaeological expedition in the ancient Perperikon complex near Kardzhali, called the discovery “revolutionary”. It throws a completely different light on Bulgaria’s history, he said in an interview for the National Television.

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MILADY TARTARIA AND THE RIDDLE OF DATING

TARTARIA TABLETS

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Human Remains discovered:




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Lady Tartaria:

Lady Tartaria, the tablets owner, human remains were carbon dated 6,310-5,480 BC




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The person was not a Great Priest or a Shaman but a "revered holy woman" But who was the adult buried with the inscribed tablets? If one wants to go on with the image of a ritual pit, one should start to talk about the Tartaria Priestess, shaman-woman or dignitary-woman. Milady Tărtăria limped on her right leg since her youth because of her thicker, anchylosed and shorter right femur and leg. She had a posture forming a > (an arrow.) The artifacts were part of the funerary inventory of a woman, 50-55 years old (Tãrtãria milady ), along with 26 burnt clay idols, two alabaster Cicladic idols, a Spondhylus seashell bracelet.

Aiud Object Romania dated 200000 years old

After some research there are few hypotheses for this object.One of them is expressed by an aeronautical engineer.

An aeronautical engineer who examined the object, compared the object with a point of support for a smaller version of a module for space exploration, such as a lunar module, or for the foot of a Viking probe. According to this hypothesis, the object as part of a spacecraft, may have got worse, after a forced landing.

So what is the real origin of the Aiud piece? Could it be that had extraterrestrial origin or there has been advanced civilizations before ours?

You can see in this magazine from 1995 Romanian Magazine authentic photos of the object as published back in those days :

In this photo you can see how this piece could have been the foot of a moon landing module or of a probe




Measurements of the object:




Length 205mm
Width 125mm
High 68mm
Weight 2.300 KG





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www.rufon.org...

A translation of the magazine pages is already n the other thread and I am waiting approval from the member who did the translation to post it on here.

Sure

First page:

An amazing discovery

For the first time we could find out about the scandalous objecy discovered in the summer of 1973 in Aiud, in 1983, from Florin Gheorghita's book, "Enigmas in the galaxy", printed by "Junimea" Iasi. In the 6th chapter, "Visits on the blue planet", page 152, the author describes tge history of the sensational discovery in Aiud. According to the author, in 1973, near Aiud, with the occasion of excavations in a sand quarry, in a 10m deep layer, were found "3 bodies encassed in a shell of pressed sand"(quote page 152). An expert called to the scene "identified in one of the respective bodies a fossiliesed bone"(quote page 153). The expert surrendered the findings at Cluj-Napoca. Here ends the first part of the bizarre discovery's odyssey. A surprise object Experts cleared the sediment layer from the most bulkiest object. It was no small surprise when they discovered that it was a weird shaped, metallic object with obvious signs of being manufactured. According to the Iesean author, the other 2 relics were part of the "skeleton of a mastodon"(quote pg 153). Intrigued by the item's aspect and the fact that in such an old geological layer an artificial metallic object, Clujean experts sent fragments for analysis, at the centre of research of ICPMMN Magurele.

Another surprise: An ancient aluminum object! The performed analysis baffled even the experts from Magurele. The object was composed from an alloy of aluminum with ingredients from other rare metals. Let's see the conclusions of these experts, reproduced in the book of the Iesean engineer: "(...) it was a complex alloy composed from 12 diverse elements, dosed in different percentages. The main ingredient - the big surprise - was aluminum (89%)! The rest of the component elements that were found (in the order of the size of the determined percentages): copper (6.2%), silicon (2.84%) zinc (1.81%), lead (0.41%), tin (0.33%), zirconium (0.2%), cadmium (0.11%), nickel (0.0024%), cobalt (0.0023%), bismuth (0.0003%), silver (0.0002%), galium (traces)." (quote pg 154). The same experts were surprised that the layer of aluminum oxide from the surface of the object and also being surprised of the state of "aging" of the object itself.

Some things about aluminum

*History of aluminum and some facts*

3rd paragraph:
The existence of an object made from aluminum in a profound geological layer, and the layer of at least 1mm of oxide, baffled the metallurgic experts: there existed a manufactured aluminum object, apparently part of a landing gear, with centuries or millenia before the discovery of aluminum! Neither the other "ingredients" are less contradictory: cadmium was discovered in 1817, nickel in 1751, bismuth in 1753, cobalt in 1735.

Lost paths, refound path *TL note: "Lost paths, found" would be a more poetically accurate translation, but I guess you're not interested in such things right now*

The sensational discovery in Aiud was assumed by many authors, but none of them tried to find it at least. The answer to a letter sent to ing. Fl. Gheorghita in 1987 was disarming: "sadly, the location of the object from Aiud is unknown.". I thought that the same thing would happen as in the case of other bizarre objects discovered everywhere around the globe, which

Second page:

were lost forever ."Transylvanian object", the name used by many authors, continues to remain just a myth instead of something real and tangible. The idea of finding this item again was obsessing us with the apparition of the magazine RUFOR. We decided to "walk on the wire", in our attempt to find it. The first thing we did was to contact the Museum in Aiud. We mailed this institution, because of it not having a phone, in August 1994. Not even to this date have we received an answer! We started to think that our investigation reached a dead end. In our attempt to get out from this impasse, we decided to contact the History Museum of Transylvania in Cluj-Napoca. Our first contact with this prestigious institution was made at the end of January 95. Even if we expected a skeptic answer, if not ironic, we were told that THE OBJECT FROM AIUD EXISTS! and that it is found in the heritage of the Museum in Cluj. More than that, we were recommended to keep in touch with the person that was preoccupied with this finding, which was proved to be none else than the director of the Museum in Cluj! Having this informations at hand, more than promising, we telephonically contacted mr Lazarovici. Very amiable, he has confirmed that the item exists, and, if we want, we can go to Cluj to study and photograph it. Considering his busy schedule, we agreed on more telephonic discussions and that our "trip" to Cluj to be on Friday, February 17 1995.

THE OBJECT FROM AIUD

In the morning of Feb 17, accompanied by our colleague from Cluj, mr Adrian Patrut, we presented at the office of the director of the HM of Transylvania. Mr Gh Lazarovici was expecting us already. Even before we arrived, he readied the strange object for us. So, when we will have arrived, we only had to wait several minutes before the item was in our hands! The object has a more than interesting aspect: it is like a tripod or like a foot of a landing gear.The base of the "foot" wasn't plane, having 1/3 of the frontal side a deviation of 15 degrees. In the rear, there were two "arms" in the shape of a triangle placed at 45* from the plane of the object. At the rear end, there was a small orifice, and horizontally a bigger orifice (see pics). The entire object was covered in a layer of thick oxide, of a white-yellow-ish colour with a green tint, and on the upper part one could observe, visibly mechanically eroded, either by hitting, either by mechanical corrosion, such as friction with a tougher object (collision?).
In the following, we we'll present the size of this object:
-total length: 205mm
-width: 125mm
-height: 68mm
-length of the rear "arm": 35mm
-diameter of the "small" rear orifice: 18mm
-diameter of the "bigger" perpendicular on the ax orifice: 47mm
-depth of the "bigger" orifice: 35mm -weight (without the "carota" *tl? - my guess is sample*) extracted for analysis: 2.3kg

Third page:

A new possible dating:

As we recalled, in the book of mr Fl Gheorghita was launched the idea that the bones found near the object in the same geological layer, would be mastodon bones.
Director Gh Lazarovici made some very important statements about this subject. According to his declarations, the bones found were from a specie of hairy rhino.
According to our data, the hairy rhino *tl note: no real specie name, sorry* lived in our geographic area during the Pleistocene era (10000-80000 years ago), in the Wurm era. This period was contemporary with the habitat of the Neanderthals. This interglacial period can be characterized with a pretty harsh climate, similar to the one of the taiga and tundra. (...). As a first conclusion we can affirm only this: the aluminum object was from a geological layer afferent to a period in which our human ancestors not only didn't knew aluminum, but it was situated in the first Paleolithic!

Swiss analysis

Mr Marian Pasla, retired engineer, was closely preoccupied with the "object from Aiud". He confirmed the hypothesis that a piece extracted from this object was examined by a laboratory in Lausanne (Switzerland).
Swiss experts confirmed the composition of the object, the same with the one from Magurele. As well, they stated that the alloy did not fit in none of the "standard" alloys we use today, or usable. The alloy was defined as "weak", not a duralumin and that it has "designer angles", which denotes the artificial characteristic of the object.
At the base of the layer of oxide and of the "aged" aluminum, prof. Stoicovici reached the conclusion that the object could have an age of at least 300-400 years. But, according to other specialist, cited by Fl. Gheorghita, the age of this object could even be of thousands of years. Even if the age of the object is the minimum one, in no way can this item be fitted in the "standard moments" of the discovery, processing and industrialization of aluminum.

A few preliminary conclusions

Taking into consideration the chemo-metallographic analysis, we can conclude that the item discovered in Aiud, in 1973, has an age that can be fit somewhere between 300 and 80000 years. In either case, this affirmation comes in contradiction with what it is know about the usage of aluminum in the technological history of humans.
The geological stratigraphy [1] shows that the object inclines to an older age, contemporary with the hairy rhino, fossils of which were found in the same petrified layers. In the defence of this last hypothesis comes and the considerable depth at which the object was found (~10m).
Another conclusion: the object is an artefact created after "engineering" methods. The two existent orifices, as well as the existence of the "rear arm" determines us to believe that this item was part of a landing gear of large dimensions, being a component of it.


Forth page:

What could it be?

Of course, the temptation of expressing some other hypothesis is great.
Yet, we can not not remark the fact that the shape and characteristic of this object are strikingly similar with the landing gear of a drone or spacial robot.
As Fl Gheorghita assumes in his quoted work, the object could have collided with a furious being (the hairy rhino), and has partially deteriorated, losing a part of its landing gear, resulting in the death of the "curious fellow*tl note: forced translation. added fellow for meaning*"? Or: if the hypothetical item was completely destroyed, the rest of the parts could still be buried somewhere deep in the ground, near Aiud.
And if it is indeed a part of a flying object which overflew the tundra of the Pleistocene, then who has built it and where does it come from? A possible answer is hard to give. But a possible confirmation of this question is prone to cause shivers.

A unique object on the global scale

A lot was written about metallic objects (iron or steel), found in coal mines, million year old geological layers. But to this date, nothing but descriptions remain, the objects disappearing. It is also spoken of aluminum chest plates, discovered in the tombs of ancient Chinese emperors; but with the afferent literature, none of these were seen by a certified researcher. Doru Davidovici, in his book, "Galactic worlds", speaks of a goddess made of "oricalc", discovered in a coal mine, somewhere in Valea Jiului, but which disappeared in even more mysterious conditions.
From the panoply of evidence more than bizarre in this field (another terrestrial civilization?, another technology?, random visitors from the Cosmos?). THE ONLY ONE THAT EXISTS, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS ANALYZED AND STUDIED BY EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS "RE-FOUND" AND PHOTOGRAPHED is right here, at our side, at the Museum of History of Transylvania in Cluj-Napoca. It is not improbable that this artifact discovered at Aiud is another vision of ours about the human being, technology and the Universe...

With italics: Credits

Very interesting and lots to read.....however a couple of links not in english

I wonder if this civilisation could have had any connection with the Bosnia pyramids!

The civilisation who built the Bosnian pyramids would have been even older than the Sumerian civilisation!

Bosnian Pyramids

Just further proof that Scientist have been guessing for years.

Obviously, a civilazation was here that we have no concept of how they lived.

I find it kind of funny, we think we have a clue about our past.

Yet we are stumped by every single new find...

Originally posted by nyloncylon
That aluminium object look like an excavator bucket tooth. Theese are often field replaceable and the holes in the object seems to be for some type of bolt fastening to the bucket. Even the wear and tear of the object indicates this could be a bucket tooth. Aluminium bucket tooths comes in all types, but a google image search couldnt find anyting like this.
250.000 years old?? Im sceptical about that..

I never would have come up with the excavator tooth as I'm unfamiliar with heavy equipment. I was leaning towards trailer hitch of some type, possibly owned By Fred Flinstone and lost on a trip to Jelllystone; but then you came along with the tooth hypothesis, and while the style is obviously an early model, the artifact does bear a striking resemblance to an excavator tooth:



It's very cool having a bunch of people from varied backgrounds - like the membership here at ATS - checking these things out, because more often than not, somebody will have the necessary knowledge to debunk false claims.

hey thanks for all this info, i remember a few years ago hearing about this guy who found more pyramids in that region of europe, i hadnt heard anything about it until your post prompted me to search for more.



I dont know that there has been any direct link to the finds in the video and the ones you have brought to our attention but one can only imagine that a culture able to erect such structures would be able to travel such nominal distances. Also given the other geological structures in the area of Bucegi, it is interesting to say the least.

Here is also another ATS thread on the issues as well as further reading on other European sites of interest

Surely there is more here than meets the eyes, keep up the digging (so to speak) and thanks again

Fantastic find... S&F

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Aluminum excavator tooth? I have never seen an aluminum one. All the ones on the backhoes we have are steel.

How long would an aluminum one last? Not even an hour where I dig.

Originally posted by Versa Unfortunately I can't speak or read Romanian so I can't assure myself that the source sites are 100% reliable. I'll have a look later and see if I can find anything in English about the finds

Originally posted by bluemirage5
Very interesting and lots to read.....however a couple of links not in english

Seriously? The whole world doesn't speak English you know. Just how hard is it for you guys to paste the url into google translate to get an English version?

These finds are from Romania... therefore the links will be in Romanian. Don't forget that not that long ago Romania was behind the Iron Curtain, so little info will be found outside Romania.

Let's hope that now we can get more research from that region. Seems we already have a few people able to translate the works, but it is simple enough to use the translator program from google to verify what they say is from a real source

Originally posted by mwood

Aluminum excavator tooth? I have never seen an aluminum one. All the ones on the backhoes we have are steel.
How long would an aluminum one last? Not even an hour where I dig.

Yes... I find it amazing how people grasp at straws so they can avoid the harder questions... "it looks like... ergo it must be... nothing to see here... move along now"

Sorry but that doesn't work for me... Good to see at least a few people see beyond their nose

All the work Lisa and other contributors have added to her thread are available for review here;

Lisa2012s Collection

Makes it easier to find references, though it is still a work in progress. Translation from blogs and forums is harder because they use shortcuts and bad spelling and grammar just like we see here and local expressions and 'colorful' language, so a lot of transliteration is needed.

Fortunately we have enough people that know the language to help on those spots. Heck at this rate I will be able to read Romanian by the time I am done