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A fusion between two worlds began 1300 years ago with Tariq ibn Ziyad’s crossing of the Strait of Gibraltar in 711. Please join us to commemorate the brilliant contributions resulting from the blending of eastern and western cultures. The agenda will tell the vital story of the achievements when Christians, Jews, and Muslims thrived side by side in Western Europe, building a society that lit the Dark Ages. Experts will discuss how to transform education, promote tolerance, civility, political reform, and advance human development so that we can emulate the spirit and triumphs of the early years.
Originally posted by HoldTheBeans
What next celebrate 9-11 at all our military academies? When will all this PC stuff end??
A fusion between two worlds began 1300 years ago with Tariq ibn Ziyad’s crossing of the Strait of Gibraltar in 711. Please join us to commemorate the brilliant contributions resulting from the blending of eastern and western cultures. The agenda will tell the vital story of the achievements when Christians, Jews, and Muslims thrived side by side in Western Europe, building a society that lit the Dark Ages. Experts will discuss how to transform education, promote tolerance, civility, political reform, and advance human development so that we can emulate the spirit and triumphs of the early years.
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Originally posted by LibertyLover
reply to post by HoldTheBeans
The achievements of the cultural fusion that resulted when adherents of Islam, Judaism and Christianity came together in peace and learning from each other as they did in Moslem occupied Spain were simply amazing. Mathmatics, astronomy, medicine, art - these are but a few of the fields that prospered and advanced. I don't see a problem with studying this era.
Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by HoldTheBeans
Fortunately, the muslims bent on conquering all of western europe were defeated at the battle of Tours in France in 732 A.D.
Otherwise, instead of just starting to become muslim nations now, the countries of western europe would already be praying to mecca.
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Interesting that some things never seem to change. The text says that although the exact number of soldiers on both sides is unknown, it is accepted that the muslim forces greatly outnumbered the franks that were defending what is modern-day france. In modern times, muslim armies are routinely defeated by much smaller forces in battle after battle.
Originally posted by Cuervo
Originally posted by HoldTheBeans
What next celebrate 9-11 at all our military academies? When will all this PC stuff end??
A fusion between two worlds began 1300 years ago with Tariq ibn Ziyad’s crossing of the Strait of Gibraltar in 711. Please join us to commemorate the brilliant contributions resulting from the blending of eastern and western cultures. The agenda will tell the vital story of the achievements when Christians, Jews, and Muslims thrived side by side in Western Europe, building a society that lit the Dark Ages. Experts will discuss how to transform education, promote tolerance, civility, political reform, and advance human development so that we can emulate the spirit and triumphs of the early years.
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Really? You insist on confusing the two issues? That cultural blending is why we have the advancements in society we have today. It's the intolerance from each faction and the people who use that intolerance for power that kills people like the 9/11 incident.
Or Hiroshima, for that matter. Or the holocaust. I could keep going. Those were all perpetrated by men with the attitude of intolerance.
The achievements of the cultural fusion that resulted when adherents of Islam, Judaism and Christianity came together in peace and learning from each other as they did in Moslem occupied Spain were simply amazing. Mathmatics, astronomy, medicine, art - these are but a few of the fields that prospered and advanced. I don't see a problem with studying this era.
Originally posted by sonjah1
reply to post by LibertyLover
The achievements of the cultural fusion that resulted when adherents of Islam, Judaism and Christianity came together in peace and learning from each other as they did in Moslem occupied Spain were simply amazing. Mathmatics, astronomy, medicine, art - these are but a few of the fields that prospered and advanced. I don't see a problem with studying this era.
I don't see a problem with studying Burn the Armada, Cordoba--the conquest-- either.
Sometimes you need to look at the means vs. the ends.
The Spanish were bloodily conquered, and they either had to convert to Islam or *pay* great monetary fees to the Muslims in order for the advancement to occur....war crimes come to mind....
edit on 8-2-2011 by sonjah1 because: (no reason given)
Yes but they aren't studying it they are celebrating it.
Originally posted by HoldTheBeans
Originally posted by Cuervo
Originally posted by HoldTheBeans
What next celebrate 9-11 at all our military academies? When will all this PC stuff end??
A fusion between two worlds began 1300 years ago with Tariq ibn Ziyad’s crossing of the Strait of Gibraltar in 711. Please join us to commemorate the brilliant contributions resulting from the blending of eastern and western cultures. The agenda will tell the vital story of the achievements when Christians, Jews, and Muslims thrived side by side in Western Europe, building a society that lit the Dark Ages. Experts will discuss how to transform education, promote tolerance, civility, political reform, and advance human development so that we can emulate the spirit and triumphs of the early years.
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Really? You insist on confusing the two issues? That cultural blending is why we have the advancements in society we have today. It's the intolerance from each faction and the people who use that intolerance for power that kills people like the 9/11 incident.
Or Hiroshima, for that matter. Or the holocaust. I could keep going. Those were all perpetrated by men with the attitude of intolerance.
Exactly what advancements in society are you speaking of?
Originally posted by FarArcher
reply to post by SmedleyBurlap
Let's be a bit more accurate.
Christians didn't run Jews out of Europe.
The Catholic Church ran the Jews out of every place they could.
The Catholic Church. Wasn't much Christian about it.
Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire.
Originally posted by CerBeRus666
reply to post by LibertyLover
Sorry not to be able to S&F you.
The Al Andaluz was the first enlightened civilization in the European Continent. It not only gave Southern Europe all the technology later used, or misused, to navigate the Oceans; it gave them Art, Civilization, and tolerance. The University of Cordoba, and it's famous libraries, preceded the "first" European University (at Bologna), by ~400 years. Almost all medical assistance to the Kings, and Noble families of Europe, came from this Civilization, as did the inventors, and the commerce, not to mention fashion, music, poetry, and so on.
Unfortunately it would fall, due to the inner wars between Baghdad, and Damascus; and, even though for a short period, it became a prosperous Caliphate, it would fall victim of the radicalization, both of the Islamic, and the Christian camps...
The Al Andaluz is certainly something to be celebrated, remembered, and serve as an example of the triumph of multiculturalism.
Thanks for your great answer, and forgive the usual stupidity, ignorance, and fanaticism, that grow ever more rampant on this site.
Originally posted by Cuervo
I know the bible-belt folks like to say that Catholics are not Christians but... every time a Christian picks up a bible, they are submitting to Catholic authority.
Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by HoldTheBeans
Fortunately, the muslims bent on conquering all of western europe were defeated at the battle of Tours in France in 732 A.D.
Otherwise, instead of just starting to become muslim nations now, the countries of western europe would already be praying to mecca.
Interesting that some things never seem to change. The text says that although the exact number of soldiers on both sides is unknown, it is accepted that the muslim forces greatly outnumbered the franks that were defending what is modern-day france. In modern times, muslim armies are routinely defeated by much smaller forces in battle after battle.