Do you really believe the conservatives and liberals are two different groups if so explain

I thought this thread was on the differences between the two political parties.
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I like how people believe one side is for "left-wing" politics while one is for "right-wing politics".

Under the neo cons (read; fascists) we have seen an expanse in power of the federal government only matched now by the liberals (read; socialists). Fun thing about socialists and fascists is that, besides the rhetoric used to influence the masses and minute organizational details there is no difference in the conduct, utility, or results from either system. It's the collusion of economic prowess and governmental control creating one system to keep the populace in check for the elite to make money.

Mostly everyone in US politics is just a bought and payed for face to gain support in the country for laws no one wants, taxes no one likes, and a government that is far too out of control. Once you reach this political paradigm where government runs rampant, left and right no longer exist outside of rhetoric. It's all about the state, and the people who make money from the state.

If you don't think either of the "two" reigning political ideologies in America is just a farce, you're delusional and following step-in-toe behind the pied pipers herding people around.

It amazes me still to this day, that people care what politicians say and not what they do. You can say so called "liberals" are against the wars (even though after 4 years in power they have done nothing practical to stop them) and the war on drugs. You can say so called "conservatives" support the constitution and fight for the freedom of the American people as well as support the middle class and small businesses. Even though ALL actions a majority of these people make is completely contrary to what they say, people still believe in it.

What's worst is that people here actually believe in it. So much for denying ignorance.

Originally posted by SpectreDC
I like how people believe one side is for "left-wing" politics while one is for "right-wing politics".

Under the neo cons (read; fascists) we have seen an expanse in power of the federal government only matched now by the liberals (read; socialists). Fun thing about socialists and fascists is that, besides the rhetoric used to influence the masses and minute organizational details there is no difference in the conduct, utility, or results from either system. It's the collusion of economic prowess and governmental control creating one system to keep the populace in check for the elite to make money.

Mostly everyone in US politics is just a bought and payed for face to gain support in the country for laws no one wants, taxes no one likes, and a government that is far too out of control. Once you reach this political paradigm where government runs rampant, left and right no longer exist outside of rhetoric. It's all about the state, and the people who make money from the state.

If you don't think either of the "two" reigning political ideologies in America is just a farce, you're delusional and following step-in-toe behind the pied pipers herding people around.

It amazes me still to this day, that people care what politicians say and not what they do. You can say so called "liberals" are against the wars (even though after 4 years in power they have done nothing practical to stop them) and the war on drugs. You can say so called "conservatives" support the constitution and fight for the freedom of the American people as well as support the middle class and small businesses. Even though ALL actions a majority of these people make is completely contrary to what they say, people still believe in it.

What's worst is that people here actually believe in it. So much for denying ignorance.

edit on 15-1-2011 by SpectreDC because: (no reason given)

I think the farce of it all is hidden in the relationship between business and government -

Liberals want to us government to combat corporatism

Conservatives want to us business to combat federalism

One "Side" wants to assign supremacy to one of the two, while both fail to see that things are rigged both ways.

You want regulation the corporations will write em

You want free market, deregulation will just stack the benefit instead of removing bias all together

People need to accept the fact that the Democratic and Republican Party is one big smokescreen. The Corporate Party is the only party that exists in the U.S. Barack Obama and every president prior to him are puppets that are chosen to carry out the corporatists agenda. Yes, they have literally sold their souls for a high price just for the title. The President of the United States has zero power. It is very simple. The people's interests come last in their agenda.

I know this revelation is painful. The truth is hard to accept sometimes. You may feel like you are going through D.T.'s, but believe me, this too shall pass.

This article provides the truth about the left/right b.s. If you still don't get "it" after reading it, then you have a serious party addiction that is going to require future therapy.


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As far as I can tell, they are the same essentially.

Both are big spenders, both are pro-war, both enjoy using lies to misdirect the population, etc.

They are both Authoritarians - Totalitarians.

They are both only interested in taking bribes and doing whatever their lobby buddies want them to.

They both will sell us out for a dollar $ anytime, anywhere.

So it only follows that it is the combined fault of the Republicans AND the Democrats simultaneously, who are destroying this country and attempting to restrict our freedoms on every front.

reply to post by lastrebel


Heres the difference. I will use Reublicans and Democrats as an examle and am only generalizing so of course there will be excetions...(sorry, this comuter will not rint the letter that means urine)

Reublicans set u the system to encourage and favor entrereneuers.

Those entrereneurs need emloyees.

Democrats watch out for the interests of those who hel the entrereneurs in their business.

Business owners forget they could never have accomlished their success and wealth with out the workers.
They reach a certain oint where the workers become the enemy...always asking for things like safe working conditions and a decent wage. They seek some comensation for reetetive motion or stress related injury that is brought on by their jobs.

Democrats tend to take on these issues.
Reublicans tend to defend the osition of the original founder or business owner.

I always say that everyone is a democrat until they come into money. Then they switch over to Reublican so they can better hang onto it.

However in my exerience there are few business owners who care for their workers as they would care for themselves. And this is how we run into roblems.

reply to post by Janky Red


A true free market ripe with competition would never allow this. Be mindful that a true free market has rarely come to fruition anywhere in the world at any time period. Regulation from the "state" (all of which just bars other businesses from combating with multi-national corporate conglomerates on a fair field, especially when those large power brokers write the regulations) is not the only way for a market to not be free. Any form of injection of an outside authority controlling aspects of a market stops free markets from existing. If a market exists with mass competition and a competent, mindful consumer can be and will remain a free market. Look at the computer market. You can see here a market once dominated solely by competent and knowledgeable consumers spiraling slowly into a market dominated by large corporations that completely screw the consumer unknowingly because the consumer in this case is 99.9% chance of being computarded. These are the people who buy macs, rejected processors, alien ware, or any other pre built overly priced pieces of trash. Happily. And the worst is these people think they're making a good choice.

Strangely enough it's just the same with politicians nowadays.

not really.

think about this: Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton are like BEST FRIENDS.

reply to post by SpectreDC


You stated this so much better than me, thanks.

It always amazes me to see people that believe the BS spouted by both sides when the evidence of their actions prove otherwise. I cant tell the difference between Obamas term and Bushs

reply to post by lastrebel


Here is a way to describe the difference....Do you remember when you were young and going to school?

There were some families, fairly well off. They lived in the best house and the kids all had nice clothes...but when you went over to visit you could see they didn't have it as good as you imagined. The father would not turn on the heat no matter what the temerature outside because he did not want a big electric bill. Meals were small and meager and no one asked for seconds. The kids would be near death before getting taken to a doctor because dad did not want to give money to a doctor.

This is the conservative family.

Then you have the big house where the heat is on constantly and the doors and windows are wide. The kids are jolly and fat and although they do not have much in savings or in the bank...everyone is cheerful, glad and no one wants for anything.

This is the liberal family.

There may be a time in the future when this family regrets their frivolous actions.
Maybe.

[However NOT according to Christian belief system. Therein you are guided to "throw care to the wind" and care for the less fortunate (regardless of cost) and not worry about yourself - Somehow, living like this, YOU will always have your needs met and why the term Christian Conservitive is such an oxymoron!]

You can see how both of these families have something to teach the other.
Neither is exactly right.
Right is somewhere in the middle.

Well whatever we can say about the leaders of said groups out here on the street back in the world there really are conservatives and liberals. At least folks that really around the banners, use all the right terms and believe the other is evil.

There is no real difference between the self-proclaimed "parties"and anyone who thinks so has been deceived.The fact of the matter is they both use empty slogans and patriotism as tools to keep the masses in check and to keep those campaign donations coming in and the people just eat it up.