A Galaxies Cluster Older Than Possible! Scientists say.

It is a confirmation that brings havoc among astrophysicists! If are correct the conclusions of Stefano Andreon, of INAF-Astrophysical Observatory of Brera (Italy) and Marc Huertas-Company, of the Astronomical Observatory of Paris-Meudon (France), reported today on Astronomy & Astrophysics this news may lead to the revision of the most reliable models of galaxy formation and galaxy clusters. The data collected by two astrophysicists about JKCS041, confirm that fact, the cluster of galaxies "miracle" is really old, so old that it can not exist in accordance with what is believed about the universe today. But since it is there and that the study of Andreon and Huertas-Company reiterates that the cluster has pretty much 10 billion and 620 million years old, this means that when the Universe was not even one quarter (3 billions years)of the age the cluster JKCS041 was already present and there was not dissimilar to the clusters of galaxies today. But according to most models of the universe a clusters of this kind could not be there!

The cluster of galaxies JKCS041

"In accordance with the standard evolution of galaxies most reliable, run into a cluster with a sequence of red galaxies fully formed at 10.6 billion light years away is a little 'how to open an ancient Egyptian sarcophagus and find in an iPod: simply, that object should not be there. "

So says the press release issued by INAF, which describes well the dismay of astrophysics in the face of an impossible object.
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Day by day we experiencing that our theories about Universe are really weaks and incoherents and that the real truth is:

We don't know nothing!

And everything is possible!

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the theory of BIG BANG is collapsing!
thanx for this post***

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This is amazing!

This is confirming what I have been thinking about perfectly.. I really think that the Universe had or was/is expanded before things started forming, sort of like a uniform ocean of hydrogen, and then just like sugar crystallizing in water, things started to happen in all parts of the "ocean". Just some subtle movement, or heat. But how any of that got there is a mystery.

I don't know. I think we're going to keep looking to find that the Universe is part of something else. It's the fractal nature of things. This universe is too great to know from such a, relatively, small perspective.

Thanks again for posting

the universe is infinate. people will always look, and find a little bit more, but never understand it.
God made a perfect mystery that can't be solved.

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It will eventually come to our understanding,..You are supposed to pray/ask for wisdom anyway.
We'll figure it out if we don't blow ourselves up over religion.

yes isnt it odd how nearly every religion teaches love, yet no one does it.
anyways back on topic. There are still countless things we dont know about earth, it would be foulish to think you know anything about space. New studies will continually contadict previous "theories" about space. It's almost a waste of money studying it (other then seeing if a giant astroid is headed our way). All that money should go towards improving transport to and from space and colonizing the moon and mars. Then from there we can work our way outward.

Originally posted by dalibor1
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the theory of BIG BANG is collapsing!
thanx for this post***

Yes.

The "Big Bang" Theory is false and scientists must rewrite all the books and all the other theories build on the Big Bang theory.

A huge work!

It is amazing just how many scientific theories are embraced and cleaved unto as fact, just to be disproved later. Makes you wonder if blind worship of ANY scientific theory is a sign of insanity????

He made the stars, also.

He made it aged.

He just left a little out there to shake up your theories.

Come back to Him.

(What will happen to this scientific information? Brushed under the carpet, scientists will be removed from funding, lose tenure, or get fired. Lesson: Truth is not the objective. Never challenge the atheists, they run the science.)

Looks like the big bang theory just blew up.
You could say that the big bang went bust.
ok.

Just as galaxies collide with galaxies, and galactic clusters collide with other clusters, I think that Universes (not in the sense of being different dimensions or anything...but simply different "Big Bang" events) may collide with other universes. Maybe this cluster is actually from another such Universe, on ITS outer edge, and overlapping into ours? Would explain its existence..... Kind of like how stars are born, collapse, reborn, etc.

Maybe we need a new term, for what the Universes float around in?

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I've heard people refer to such an idea as the "macroverse" or the "macrocosm". Though, to be fair, macroverse usually shows up in literature, and I've heard macrocosm used scientifically.

Very cool, lots of new discoveries coming out of space lately and most of it very interesting. Now like someone else said we need to get our stuff straight and focus on some real exploration out there. The term is thrown around a lot here but it fits, we really do live in exciting times.

Absolutely humbling.
And beautiful.

I firmly believe one human life span is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too small for us to know even a small bit about the 'universe' we live in.

Thank you for sharing

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Hmmm...I wonder if maybe after the big bang when the universe was 'small' maybe time passed much more quickly than what we perceive today? and so..older objects would appear much older by our 'modern' scale....hmm? no? maybe?

meh nvm.. someone beat me to the comment...

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" It is amazing just how many scientific theories are embraced and cleaved unto as fact, just to be disproved later. Makes you wonder if blind worship of ANY scientific theory is a sign of insanity???? "


Blind worship of anything = sign of insanity

That now brings up a hole host of new questions.

How old is the earth now?

Does that mean that every structure on this planet is older that we think?

That may mean that who ever lived on this planet my have lived longer that we think.

That means that our solar system may have had life on all of it's planets before we even got here?

It also means that the age of our sun could be out by billions of years?

If there was no big bang then where did all of the back ground radiation come from?

The big one is how old is the universe hundreds of billions years may be more hundreds of trillion years or more, how old are we and where did we come from and are we hundreds of billion years old?

This going to blow the top off of every thing.

js

using on optics model
if there was an optical lens refracting the image then the location of the image and the physical location of the mass could be in completly different places
ill use a einsteins gravitational ring as an example
if we are veiwing a galaxy that is being lensed it could be much further away
or projected onto the curvature to any dircetion depending on the angle of incidence (the veiwers observable direction)
the object if lensed could be quite some distence from its apparent position.

this is only theory tho
so im going to say hey cool we get to learn more about the question of
the universe and everything =44

xploder

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Could it be that when two universes bump into each other, if sufficiently similar in physical laws, perhaps a galaxy or entire cluster from a much older universe could be transferred to a much younger universe at the point of maximum congruency?