Top Israel rabbis: Don't sell property to non-Jews

Originally posted by DuceizBack
People who compare israel to nazi germany is sad..
that comparison is so horrible

and PLUS i think its HORRIBLE to compare them to people who tried to KILL THEM.

The word "Nazism" describes a set of actions and ideologies - based on racial purity or cultural/religous supremecy that are used to support a military and political regime.

If you examine the actions and rehtoric of the German socialist movment that later became the Nazi party under Hitlar and then examine the actions and rehtoric of the socialist based Zionist party's actions and rise to power in Israelie politics you cannot fail to see the comparison. That alone is case for the label...not to mention the literal actions of violence, forced transfers and murder/assault and rape perpetrated by Zionism on the people of Palestine.

To me, zionism and nazism are inseperable in action, creed and outcome.

I'd wish there wasnt evidence for this stance..but there is.... and to deny it because it is unpalatable or socially inconvenient, is wrong.

Yes. It IS a horrible comparison. It is however, fitting. The name fits the reality of the actions and the conseqences of those actions.

Please do not take my word for it...

Zionists and the ethnic cleansing issue in their own words:

www.palestineremembered.com...

Remember too, that in 1920 only 550 Jewish zionists lived in Palestine. The rest of the 50K jewish poplation were ANTI-zionist.


Rosha.

Originally posted by BillfromCovina
I used to think a two-state solution was possible, but I now realize it is not. The establishment of Israel as a Jewish homeland is very racist. The religion itself is racism at its worst. When you read stories like this you realize that the religious bigots and racists are in control. If you read the Torah and Old Testament, you will see that the promised land is very huge. The crazies will not rest until they have what their little black books state they are entitled to. The only solution is the total elimination of the state of Israel. The Jews who live in these areas will be part of a democratic state or go back to the countries they belong to. No more Jewish homeland.

I try to keep in mind that zionists do not speak for all Jewish people. They speak only for themselves.

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by Nutter

 

These are proposed laws.

But evidence exists of how Hamas terrorists use civilian areas to store weapons & act as strategic military points & then try to manipulate the news with fake stories to inflame the situation!. Then there are sleeper suicide bombers who can come out of the woodwork at any given time in the name of their bogus "Extremist" form of Islam!. True it is harsh on some but that is what terrorism has forced upon us ..... some innocents will suffer but they know who to blame & if they think it surely is not Israel. I sure as hell would not want any of this in my area so you cannot blame the Israeli's for not wanting war on their doorstep where they & their children live!

Anyway.

www.thegoldstonereport.com...
www.speroforum.com...
www.foxnews.com...

Reports of the Goldstone Report Errors
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
frontpagemag.com...

www.youtube.com...

Palestinian Media Manipulation
www.youtube.com...

Well I could go on all day. Israel are only reacting to the daily assault perpetrated on them by the Iranian back terrorists Hamas. Hamas play the game of converting otherwise moderate Muslims into Extremist terrorists. If this gets into their neighborhoods it will continue. They need to be pro-active to stop this!

Again look at the above the Rabbi's want the laws so they don't get this rubbish in their neighborhoods. As you said opinions are like ...... that is mine you have yours don't care!!!!! Long Live our Ally Israel!

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Assaults et al that would never be if what has happened did not.

If you come to my house and try to beat me up you can be sure I will defend myself...not only that I will remove you anyway I can from MY house...if you cry poor, and accuse me of terrorism for defending my house, then YOU are in the wrong and have expectations that exceed the immaturity of your actions.

I find it very sad that one party invades a nation, attempts to 'transfer' the poplution and naively assumes the people will just toddle off and go away willingly and quietly?

Would Americans do that?
Would the peoples of England?
I think the answer is a resonding hell NO!

Read history as written by zionists: www.palestineremembered.com...-Gurion

His own words he say's that the Palestinians owned 96% of all lands there in 1920..and that force would be requried to remove them...hence he admits that the lands Zionists currently occupy are stolen property.

Simple solution, hand the lands back their inhabitants and leave..end of Israels terrorism problem!


Rosha.

reply to post by Rosha

Simple solution, hand the lands back their inhabitants and leave..end of Israels terrorism problem!

Switch sides around & you are right. Israel are not terrorists you are mistaken. It actually the Hamas fueled palastinians that are the real terrorists. It is Iran stirring this up. Other Muslim countries are sick of them meddling in other countries & turning them into terrorists just like them. Look at the wikileaks!

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by Rosha

 

Simple solution, hand the lands back their inhabitants and leave..end of Israels terrorism problem!

Switch sides around & you are right. Israel are not terrorists you are mistaken. It actually the Hamas fueled palastinians that are the real terrorists. It is Iran stirring this up. Other Muslim countries are sick of them meddling in other countries & turning them into terrorists just like them. Look at the wikileaks!

Sigh.



www.mediamonitors.net...


The question is: Who is really, in Sharon’s words, “under terror”? It is an unfortunate but well-documented fact that Israel’s bloody record of terrorism against Palestinians far outweighs the scale of the tragic atrocity that occurred on Saturday. From the inception of the Zionist State to the present day, terrorism has been built into the foundations of policy of Israel’s military institutions. We should start, naturally, at the beginning. One authoritative source for understanding the genocidal essence of Israeli military policy comes from within Israel itself - the Israeli military historian Aryeh Yitzakhi, Senior Lecturer in the Faculty of Eretz Yisrael Studies at Bar Ilan University (Tel Aviv) and Senior Lecturer in Military History in Israeli Defence Force (IDF) courses for army officers. Yitzahki is particularly qualified in this area due to his in-depth acquaintance with IDF archives, on which his conclusions are based. In the 1960s, Yitzakhi served as director of the IDF archives within the framework of his IDF service in his capacity as historian. “The time has come,” he observes, “to face the ocean of lies in which we were brought up. In almost every conquered village in the War of Independence, acts were committed, which are defined as war crimes, such as indiscriminate killings, massacres and rapes…

“For many Israelis it was easier to find consolation in the lie, that the Arabs left the country under orders from their leaders. This is an absolute fabrication. The fundamental cause of their flight was their fear from Israeli retribution and this fear was not at all imaginary. From almost each report in the ***IDF archives*** concerning the conquest of Arab villages between May and July 1948 - when clashes with Arab villagers were the fiercest - a smell of massacre emanates. Sometimes the report tells about blatant massacres which were committed after the battle, sometimes the massacres are committed in the heat of battle and while the villages are ‘cleansed’.
Some of my colleagues, such as Me’ir Pa’il, don’t consider such acts as massacres. In my opinion there is no other term for such acts than massacres. This was at the time the rule of the game… In the first phase a village was usually subjected to heavy artillery from distance. Then soldiers would assault the village. After giving up resistance, the Arab fighters would withdraw while attempting to snipe at the advancing forces. Some would not flee and would remain in the village, mainly women and old people. In the course of cleansing we used to hit them. One was ‘tailing the fugitives’, as it used to be called (‘mezanvim baborchim’)… In a typical battle report about the conquest of a village we find: ‘We cleansed a village, shot in any direction where resistance was noticed. After the resistance ended, we also had to shoot people so that they would leave or who looked dangerous’.” [1]

This grim record of acts of genocide and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian population is corroborated by authoritative Israeli military historian Professor Uri Milstein. Milstein, however, goes even further than Yitzhaki in his conclusions about Zionist killings of Palestinians:




or try:
www.thirdworldtraveler.com...


The Diary of former Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharett is a major source of evidence for a conscious policy of deliberate, unprovoked cross-border attacks, in which advantage was taken of superior military power and a servile western propaganda machine, with the intent of destabilizing neighboring states and provoking them into military responses. Sharett was a footdragger in these enterprises, often shaken by the ruthlessness of the military establishment-"the long chain of false incidents and hostilities we have invented, and so many clashes we have provoked;" the "narrow-mindedness and short-sightedness of our military leaders" [who] "seem to presume that the State of Israel may-or even must-behave in the realm of international relations according to the laws of the jungle." Sharett himself referred to this long effort as a "sacred terrorism."



When will you stop defending actions that the majority of people who are Jewish living around the world and in Israel already acknoweldge were and are terrorism ?


Rosha

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When will you stop defending actions that the majority of people who are Jewish living around the world and in Israel already acknoweldge were and are terrorism ?

OK you had your say and your opinion ....... That's cool & you are entitled. Nothing you can write will change my mind. I am waiting for the ignorant comment for having a different opinion!

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

Facts on the ground are thus: Israel has a coalition of orthodox Rabbis who have more weight with the government of Israel than they probably should. These fellows have a solid record of just being plain racist, working against anything that might "contaminate" the Jewishness of Israel. These are the guys who are suggesting that property not be sold to non-Jews, and further, they are not winning the support of the Israeli government (which rather enjoys foreign investment) OR the people of Israel (who are generally a lot more liberal and open-minded than your average orthodox rabbi).

By the sounds you are the racist one !!!!!!!!!!! - lost your argument big time there!

How so? By pointing out that there's a coalition of conservative clerics that have a history of bigoted meddling into the affairs of Israeli government? Or was it the part where I pointed out that most Israelis are pretty open-minded people who disagree with these clerics?

Do you know what racist means?

Your bad again!. I don't use twitter & it's a real lame attempt to use as bit of sarcastic parody type humor

Do you know what "simile" means?

So because I don't agree with you my opinion is not informed, invalid & irrational Hmmmmmmmmmm . You are real tolerant to another person's views who differ from your own!

No, it goes the other way around. I disagree with you because your opinion is uninformed and irrational.

And no, I'm not tolerant of your views, for the same reason I am not tolerant of anyone who tries to tell me that two plus two equals giraffe. I am under no obligation to tolerate, or even consider what I know to be ignorant gum-flapping from someone with more volume than information.

the funniest thing you wrote. Your sarcasm kills me lol. My wife & I are in hysterics about you! Keep it up great work!

The point is you have resorted to being personally rude & insulting because you have been well & truly smashed in this argument! Anybody else want a crack?

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Again with the poorly-informed opinions. It's not rudeness to tell someone they're completely wrong about something and that their opinion is thus not worth considering. Well, okay, I guess it's rude, in a world where even the kid who comes in last in a race gets a gold medal. Rude or not, it's still the truth.

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Again with the poorly-informed opinions. It's not rudeness to tell someone they're completely wrong about something and that their opinion is thus not worth considering. Well, okay, I guess it's rude, in a world where even the kid who comes in last in a race gets a gold medal.

Rude or not, it's still the truth.

Say what you want I know I'm right! Be rude & intolerant to other peoples opinions. It don't matter when it comes from you!

Originally posted by phatpackage
Say what you want I know I'm right! Be rude & intolerant to other peoples opinions. It don't matter when it comes from you!

Okay? Was there more, or are you just going to stick by going "LALALALALALACAN'T HEAR YOUUUUU"?

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ah well you said not me! Shows your mental capacity! lol Medication can help you! lol

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by TheWalkingFox

 

ah well you said not me! Shows your mental capacity! lol Medication can help you! lol

Sadly it wont help this conversation....