War with Iran would rescue economy!

War with Iran would rescue economy!

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Washington Post political correspondent David Broder has kind words for President Barack Obama in in his opinion column Sunday, arguing that it isn't the president's fault the economy is stuck in reverse.

But the four-decade-plus veteran of Washington politics offers a startling solution to the president's political and economic woes: March off to war with Iran.

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Well the suggestion has now moved from the various armchair generals of the world into the mainstream media.

The Washington Post article has stated what has been mentioned more than a few times on ATS. Of course the difference being Broder appears to actually believe the hype that Iran is the greatest threat to the world.

My favourite part;

"I am not suggesting, of course, that the president incite a war to get reelected,"

Of course you're not Broder...

What I love is how some of these guys state Iran is a massive security threat, yet in the same breath make the suggestion that the US would have no trouble 'taking them out' due to Iran's military incompetence. Plenty of higher ups in the Us military don't agree this would be a walk in the park.

Mods if this has already been posted my apologies, and do what you must.



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Dear Big Raging Loner,
Thank you for posting that. To be honest and direct I am not surprised at all. War has been used for centuries to recover falltering industry, financial gain and global positioning. I saw a video not long ago from Project Camelot about the Anglo-Saxon project which highlighted the war with Iran as one of the main stepping stones to the New World Order.

I do believe in higher powers pushing buttons and war with Iran is definately one of the objectives. Just another rung on the ladder so to speak. I do wonder what trigger they will use to get the ball rolling though. The investigation into the legality of the Iraq war is still ongoing, so i'm sure a valid reason won't be required. Nuclear threat probably.

Regards,
T

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Here are some iranian forces in action.

I wouldnt want to piss these guys off seriously.

reply to post by rajaten


Most humorous!

But there are plenty of US and coalition forces fails to draw on too though don't forget. Friendly fire killing each other and civilians etc.

Most people seem to use the Iran Iraq War as a reference for the Iranian military.

"War is good for business."
[size=0]Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #34


The suggestion of war as a remedy for a poor economy is hardly novel. Indeed, it's arguably the most common and perhaps only reason for waging war in the final analysis.

In this case, Mr. Broder is merely giving voice to what a lot of people in Washington are thinking, and in some cases, have probably been thinking for more than a decade.

The fortunes of war can be fickle, but unavoidable for a nation that has already committed to a Middle East empire.

The challenge now for American leaders is deciding whether to bet the farm and move forward with Iran, try to maintain the uneasy status quo or devise an exit strategy that doesn't result in cataclysm or collapse of several carefully-constructed houses of geopolitical cards.

All in all, a fine kettle of fish for the President and Congress to plumb in the coming months.

A lot of people say that a War with Iran is inevitable - whether this will happen because of TPTB or because of Prophecy or some other "unstoppable" reason. The thing is that the vast majority of people in the world would oppose a War with Iran. In fact, which are the only parties that want a War with Iran? TPTB, Arms Dealers, Oil Tycoons, Private Security Firms, etc.

Only a few parties seek to gain from a War with Iran, but the vast majority of the world will experience negative consequences if this War goes ahead. While a War like Iraq is already considered "unforgivable", a War on Iran would be "the last straw". Whenever you hear people talking about Iran and what a threat they are, remind them of what a threat Iraq used to be!

I don't want a War with Iran, do YOU?

The war we've been in for the last ten years hasn't boosted the economy at all. Why hell would invading Iran?

War as an economy booster stopped working for the united states after WW2. We don't live in the time of rosy the riveter any more. The working people of the US wouldn't benefit one bit if we invaded Iran. that might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.... At least the stupidest reason to invade Iran.

If they want to invade Iran at least just tell everyone it's because we don't like their nuclear plans.... Or their friends. Don't say its for an economic boost for America because that is blatantly false.

A better idea would be purging the Pentagon/CIA/NSA/etc etc,

cut the defense budget by 60%,
redirect 40% of the cut toward the deficit,
and the rest of the cut from defense could go to benefit the people of the country .

If you have a missle defense system/shield,
then logically you should be able to reduce spending in offensive areas

that just means you have to stop screwing around helping other countries - they have their own defence budgets

heck, a $150bn defence budget is still more than any other country.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
The war we've been in for the last ten years hasn't boosted the economy at all. Why hell would invading Iran?

Last year, I did some research on the correlation between the Great Depression and World War II and although some argue that the war did not boost the US economy, I believe it definitely did. Today, growth of the US economy is improving, but US unemployment rates remain high and it seems that the Fed is running out of options, especially now the creation of billions of new Dollars doesn't seem to be effective any longer either.

War creates jobs and it wouldn't surprise me if this is going to be a very bloody, long-lasting war that could make the military draft to be re-established.

Interesting source with facts and figures:

At a macroeconomic scale, the war not only decisively ended the Great Depression, but created the conditions for productive postwar collaboration between the federal government, private enterprise, and organized labor, the parties whose tripartite collaboration helped engender continued economic growth after the war. The U.S. emerged from the war not physically unscathed, but economically strengthened by wartime industrial expansion, which placed the United States at absolute and relative advantage over both its allies and its enemies.

the US economy during world war II

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Dear W3RLIED2,
I am not sure where you got your economic statistics from, but the war in Iraq did definately boost western economies. It created numerous jobs, got western construction and infrastructure companies work and one can argue it was all about rights for oil production.

War with Iran would indirectly do the same.

Regards,
T

Originally posted by Soshh
Obama needs a change of strategy to regain popularity. In my opinion that is likely to be a switch of emphasis from domestic policy to foreign policy, to push national security bollocks and to capture public opinion by making himself appear powerful and assertive. Bullying Iran is the currently the best way for him to achieve this.

Well that was my prediction and I'm sticking by it. The Republicans are hardly going to get in the way are they?

boosting the economy by attacking iran would totally screw the US.

It has to be paid for
US is already massively in debt.
printing more money to fund a war will devalue the USD to zilch
other countries will be reluctant to assist again (possibly)
it would push other countries further to the idea of NOT using the USD as it will be unstable.
places will start trading using a more stable currency

i am sure there would be more pain to the USD, but others know them (im always broke, no finacial $en$e)

- i think iran would be off the agenda until all troops were pulled from iraq/afghan first.

It would probably help with the supposed "overpopulation" problem I keep hearing about as well. We all know Israel would jump at the chance of war with Iran.

I hope it doesn't happen, and I for sure don't believe Obama or any other Dem has the spine to start any major conflict. He would rather go over to Iran and bow to everyone.

Originally posted by Soshh

Originally posted by Soshh
Obama needs a change of strategy to regain popularity. In my opinion that is likely to be a switch of emphasis from domestic policy to foreign policy, to push national security bollocks and to capture public opinion by making himself appear powerful and assertive. Bullying Iran is the currently the best way for him to achieve this.

Well that was my prediction and I'm sticking by it. The Republicans are hardly going to get in the way are they?

the cost to the us of its foreign policy is whats screwing the US. 50% of the budget is defense.

if obama pulled out troops from overseas (or to bare minimum - eg sth korea/low conflict zones)
secure the USA borders.
and then you would only need screening etc on arrival flights from OS.

reduced defense spending could means some factories could be 're-tooled' to start making local goods meaning local jobs. - build infrastructure, rail lines, update power grids, roads.

Originally posted by rajaten
reply to post by Big Raging Loner

 

Here are some iranian forces in action.

I wouldnt want to piss these guys off seriously.

i hope you're joking, because that is obviously not the iranian military. Also they people suggesting war is a measn of recovery don't know sh!t from their brains, war is a destruction of capital it serves no ones economic interest except the elite. Not to mention the human cost of war... these are people for crying out loud.

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Thats why i made the throwback mention to Rosy the Riveter. She was a poster girl for all the house wives who were building tanks and ships for the US Army during WW2. I understand completely that at periods of time in history )not just American either) war has been used as an economic tool. I get it.

What I'm saying is that that time has passed for our country (America) and another war in Iran would only lead to a far worse situation economically as well as in a military sense.

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Looks like that economic boost your talking about really lasted a long time. All the unemployed people and people who lost their houses must really be excited about another war.... all the jobs that gonna create.

What sources are you using? Do you realize that the war so far has costed over 1.1 TRILLION? Hows that helping the average tax payer bub?

Extending our military exercises into Iran would mark the beginning of the end. Even if multiple nations are already involved in the current war in iraq and afghanistan, it will truly lead to WW3 if we invade Iran. If we mess with Iran, we're poking one of the sleeping Bear's (Russia) cubbies. Even if at first they didn't get directly involved, eventually they would. And with our best military forces tied up in the Middle East, someone like, i dunno, China could start landing in the States and its Wolverine scenarios running amok.

The only thing that comes out of a war with Iran is badness.

Like the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has sorted the economy out you mean?

Those soldiers at the end of that video have damn good brit accents for Iranians.

CX.

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Really good reasoning and I agree!

But,
That's what false flags are for....Get everyone on mad as h@!! and wantin' to kill somethin'. The media will point us to the "usual suspects" within a couple of hours. The invasion will begin in a couple of days. The next "patriotic" legislation will be passed and signed in a couple of weeks........

I fear that type of terrorism is going to be seen again.

Originally posted by W3RLIED2
reply to post by Mdv2

 

Thats why i made the throwback mention to Rosy the Riveter. She was a poster girl for all the house wives who were building tanks and ships for the US Army during WW2. I understand completely that at periods of time in history )not just American either) war has been used as an economic tool. I get it.

What I'm saying is that that time has passed for our country (America) and another war in Iran would only lead to a far worse situation economically as well as in a military sense.

reply to post by torqpoc

 

Looks like that economic boost your talking about really lasted a long time. All the unemployed people and people who lost their houses must really be excited about another war.... all the jobs that gonna create.

What sources are you using? Do you realize that the war so far has costed over 1.1 TRILLION? Hows that helping the average tax payer bub?

Extending our military exercises into Iran would mark the beginning of the end. Even if multiple nations are already involved in the current war in iraq and afghanistan, it will truly lead to WW3 if we invade Iran. If we mess with Iran, we're poking one of the sleeping Bear's (Russia) cubbies. Even if at first they didn't get directly involved, eventually they would. And with our best military forces tied up in the Middle East, someone like, i dunno, China could start landing in the States and its Wolverine scenarios running amok.

The only thing that comes out of a war with Iran is badness.

edit on 1-11-2010 by W3RLIED2 because: spelling

Dear W3RLIED2,
I'm not sure what bub means, I hope that's not a derogatory term but nonetheless if you look into the specifics of what I stated you can easily find the economic statistics. I'll try to get some links for you, but the main ones are all the armament, building contractors, infrastructure specialists, IT specialists and the list of US/UK companies that went to Iraq to "rebuild". In the UK towards the end of the Iraq conflict there were forums in the UK called "How to get rich rebuilding Iraq". I am sure some major US contractors made millions, as well as UK and other countries.

The war probably did cost 1.1 trillion, and a huge amount of human lives, but it also generated huge amounts of income for specific, elititist, companies who backhanded the contracts.

I never stated what you infer, and I also do not think war is good. Just wanted to clear that up. I was only commenting on the OP and stating that war does have financial incentives.

As to current unemployment figures, houses being repossed etc.. I don't think that is in direct relation to the cost of the Iraq war. It has probably more to do with the mortgage crisis and banking issues in the last few years.

Regards,
T