Mysteries of Omsk

Lets start this journey into the unknown in a small village called Okunevo in the Omsk Province, 155 miles (250 km) north of the city Omsk, in the heart of Siberia. The river that runs through this village is called the Tara a name which is Hindu in origin and may also be, as I speculated years ago, the name of an extraterrestrial goddess. The reason Omsk is called that name is because it was built at the OM River. OM is another word derived from Hinduism. It is in fact Hinduisms most important word as it is the name or sound of God.

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The River Tara

The predominant religion of Siberia is Russian Orthodox, other forms of Christianity and Islam. It is therefore odd that the small village of Okuneva boasts the largest group of Hindus in all of Siberia. Its specifically a Hindu cult surrounding the legendary Guru Babaji. You can see evidence of this in this Video: Okunevo & Babaji. These Hindus are here because it is apparently the location of the lost ancient temple of the God Hanuman. According to very ancient tradition, Hanuman came about by mixing god-like beings with apes. The "lost temple" is supposedly "deep underground" and ancient Hindu literature supposedly tells of a time in which a great civilization resided at the place that is today the confluence of the rivers Om and Irtysh.

Mysteries

* In 1963 children allegedly unearthed polished metallic sheets (100x60x20) inside a mountain cave. In the year 2000 thousand, further artificial structures were allegedly found at 12 meters depth. At this time I am still looking for Wikipedia-independent confirmation of this. Since I dont speak Russian its a bit difficult to do Internet Research on the area.

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What google images brought up first when I typed Okunevo Metallic

* Reportedly, the ancient Vedas and the controversial Book of Veles confirm that there was a great city in very ancient times in the area. Reportedly, the legendary city of the Gods was destroyed by meteorites.

* Locals ascribe supernatural and healing properties to the lakes nearby.

Shatan lake is located at the intersection of two faults, and four lakes: Shuchye, Linevo, Danilovo and Urmannoe are located along deep fault line, that stretching along the right bank of Tara for tens of kilometers. Between Shaitan lake and the four above-named lakes faults form an isosceles triangle. Sometimes there is a rare natural phenomenon - luminescence of silvery clouds in the sky in this area.

According to legend, a temple of Hindu god Hanuman is located at the bottom of the lake, built many thousands of years ago. Hanuman is the giant, who helped Rama fight the evil forces, that referred to the Ramayana epic. The legend goes that after the victory Rama granted Siberia to his companion, where Hanuman built a beautiful city with many churches. This city supposedly is located in the lake, hidden in the thick sand and bottom silt.

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See also: A Siberian Anomaly: Lake with a double bottom

* Various sources on the Internet confirm that Okunevo is a hot-spot for inexplicable lights in the sky, UFOs, unexplained sounds, drones, hums, unknown sound sources, "music out of nowhere", geomagnetic anomalies, shafts of light, apparitions, orbs, luminous balls, trees growing in strange bents and twists, The small-village as attracted the attention of fringe-researchers, UFOlogists and new-age-cults and cultists.

* This area also happens to be where the now famous elongated skulls were unearthed. These skulls are now in the museum of Omsk. They were at first hidden from public view because people were shocked and appalled at their sight.



Comments and Discussion welcome. Any help researching Siberia, Ancient Siberia and especially the Omsk province and Russian-language sources would also be greatly appreciated.

Awesome thread, but I have to ask about the note on the book of Veles link:

This analysis leads us to a definite conclusion: we are dealing with an artificial language, "invented" by a person unacquainted with the history of Slavic languages and one who could not create his own language system.

There have been similar books which basically denote forgery and scams, I was wondering if there are other non contested items that essentially back up the claims presented in the Book of Veles?

Originally posted by lordtyp0
There have been similar books which basically denote forgery and scams, I was wondering if there are other non contested items that essentially back up the claims presented in the Book of Veles?

edit on 30-10-2010 by lordtyp0 because: Typos and caps.

I dont know. Before today I had never heard of the book of Veles. I found it on google and took it in as a possible extra source of information on whether there was or was not an ancient city at the place.

Im finding references to the Andron Tribes..

Source for the quoted area

Aryan burial found in Russian city of Omsk
06/28/2004

Burial of an Aryan was found in the Russian city of Omsk, reported archaeologist Albert Pelevedov to "Interfax". Analyses indicated that the Aryan had lived 3500 years ago.

One of the residents of the Beregovoy village (located on the outskirts of Omsk) discovered the burial. While fixing a water-pipe, the man stumbled upon a skull and immediately called the police. However, policemen denied criminal nature of the case and invited archaeologists to conduct some tests.

According to Polevodov, the burial belongs to the Andron culture (middle of the second millennium BC).
The archaeologist tells that the Aryan has been buried on his left side, facing south; his upper and lower limbs all drawn in. Archaeologists were able to determine the time of the burial after examining ceramic pieces found next to the skeleton. Some of the ceramic pieces depicted swastika turned the opposite direction.

Polevedov states,
"Andron people, European-like tribes, who spoke languages of Indo-Iranian language group, were in fact the exact same Aryans that used to be praised by fascists."
The find is of tremendous significance due to the fact that settlements of Andron tribes are quite rare for that particular region. Back in the days, they were forced out of there, stated the archaeologist. According to specialists, the burial was not solitary in the area. It is also possible that a larger settlement of Andron people can be found by the river Irtysh.

Read the original in Russian: (Translated by: Anna Ossipova)

Though I also found a web cache from a siberian expedition/dig.. www.univer.omsk.su..." target="_blank" class="postlink">here

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Still digging

Originally posted by lordtyp0


Still digging

Thanks. Apparently the "Pre-Aryans" mentioned in Hinduism, really were in the area.

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Meanwhile more from the Wikipedia entry on new-age groups having gathered in Okuveno.

Babadjists

In 1991, ashram "Omkar Shiva Dham" was unofficially founded. At the request of the Indian guru Sri Babaji from Haidakhan, his pupil, Latvia native Rasma Rozitis, went in 1989 to search place where the temple of God Hanuman is located. Its mission was unusual: to find and revive the Hanuman Temple, lost somewhere in Siberia. According to Rajni (her religious name), the choice fell on Omsk, because the name of this city tune with the sacred syllable 'Om' which has, according to the mystical Indian teachings, an enormous divine energy, pure vibration, penetrating the Universe. The search for the sacred places led Rajni to the Okunevo village. Village outskirts have been recognized as territory, where there was a temple of Hanuman. Several years Rajni lived in Okunevo and spent Vedic rituals everyday. Local inhabitants were gathered at these ceremonies. The fans of various mystical teachings and meditation practices went to Okunevo not only from Omsk, but also from other cities of Russia and from abroad. The activity of a new cult has caused serious concern of Omsk-Tara orthodox eparchy. In 1993, the Archbishop (now metropolitan) Theodosius personally came to Okunevo to repel babadjists. After five years, Rasma went to Latvia, and her followers develop the work, started by her in Siberia. Ashram, registered as a religious community "Omkar Shiva Dham" in 1995, continues his life. Ashram "Omkar Shiva Dham" is the Russian center of an international organization of Babaji followers "Haidakhan Samaj". The purpose of this organization is spreading teachings of Shri Babaji.

Vedoruses

In 2000 vedoruses (heathens) arrived in Okunevo. They say that these places have a special energy and attraction. Concept of "Vedoruses" they explain as "maintenance of Ra". "Maintenance" means "knowledge" and "Ra" means "light". "Let Ra would be more in you", - these kind and very friendly people say it to guests. They have a few houses, painted in bright colors. There are a happy houses with name "Clouds" and "Elephant". They build tableware (plates, vases) from the local clay, paint it and sell in the summer. Vedorusses own studio, pottery, their magic tree, headquarters and even the logbook, where they talk about their life. There is also a home for meditation - Vedic Temple.

On the Veles book - its probably not authentic. On the other hand:

The opponents of this position claim, however, that the problems with language could be attributed to local dialect variations (if the book was written or compiled from accounts of multiple people, as it is claimed by its supporters).

(same source)

Oh, this is a fascinating thread! Thank you! I find the elongated skulls rather interesting...did not some peoples of ancient meso/south America perform skull shaping? This also brings to mind Egyptian images that I have seen over the years of royal family members having elongated skulls as well. Hhmmm....

Originally posted by Ui_Niall
did not some peoples of ancient meso/south America perform skull shaping? This also brings to mind Egyptian images that I have seen over the years of royal family members having elongated skulls as well. Hhmmm....

Its (in my most humble opinion) debatable whether skulls like this are from skull shaping or whether this is simply how these beings looked. But even if the skulls were shaped this way it was likely done to imitate what the "royals" and "gods" (read: Extraterrestrals) look like.

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Hey there Skyfloating ... long time no type ... I've always followed your threads right from the time I became a member on ATS (even if I don't contribute I always read) and you never disappoint.

The reason I'm posting this time is because of an interest I have in some of the weird phenomena that has occured in certain parts of Russia that tie-in with some of my personal theories concerning ancient civilizations around the world etc ... specifically the Dyatlov Incident (1959) ... and the now famous Metallic Spirals ... both specific to the Ural Mountains.

So my question is ... do you know how far away from the Urals this Omsk location is (as the crow flies) ... is it in the same region ?

This thread is fascinating in itself ... but for me (on a personal level) it would be even more so, if it was in the same area.

Either way I shall be following this ... I love that you always bring new material with a new approach to the table ... brilliant as always my friend.

Woody

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Hello Woody...

it depends what you mean by "far". Both the Omsk region and Ural Mountains are in Siberia. But I'd probably have to drive a few hundred miles to reach them from there. Which locations of the Ural Mountains are we talking about here (since the Mountains also go on for thousands of miles).

Interesting stuff Sky.

I do think comparative linguistics combined with comparative religion is an extremely revealing practice - especially when it comes down to Sanskrit.

I posted a thread a while back about a RT clip regarding Ufology in siberia - it was a pretty good news bit.

Here is the video:

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Thats very relevant, thank you.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by woodwytch

 

Hello Woody...

it depends what you mean by "far". Both the Omsk region and Ural Mountains are in Siberia. But I'd probably have to drive a few hundred miles to reach them from there. Which locations of the Ural Mountains are we talking about here (since the Mountains also go on for thousands of miles).

I know it's a massive area but the part I'm interested in is in the north end of the Urals near and around the Dyatlov Pass (give or take a hundred miles).

Woody

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I remember the Dyatlov Pass Incident. Very spooky.
Id say its about 1000 miles from Omsk. Not close. Well, for Russian Distances its close. But not really

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Using the catalog search on Getty Research Institute you get nice hits for "Omsk". Most everything is written in Russian though...this is one:
library.getty.edu...,5&Search%5FArg=Omsk&SL=None&Search%5FCode=GETG%5E&CNT=25&PID=5Ynk2ajYYO7qIApChsE7CW8Bcnq_w&SE Q=20101030111345&SID=1

Regarding the skulls...

en.wikipedia.org...

Huns had habited "Omsk" and had also practiced artificial cranial deformation....

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Hi Skyfloating,

fascinating thread -- as yours almost always are. I'll be following this one with great interest.

Though I'm much more familiar with Czech and the closely-related Slovak, I also understand a little Russian, so I could assist in the case of any videos where something said in that language might require clarification. Also, my wife speaks and reads Russian quite well (along with three other languages), so she could probably help out with any Russian text material.

Feel free to contact me via U2U if you think we can assist.

Best regards,

Mike

Originally posted by Kemal
Regarding the skulls...

en.wikipedia.org...

Huns had habited "Omsk" and had also practiced artificial cranial deformation....

edit on 04/06/2010 by Kemal because: (no reason given)

As already mentioned, Im not content with the "artificial deformation" theory. There is no reason to deform a head like that - unless they were imitating "the Gods".

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Mimic, or serve?

Eunichs where created in the hopes that they could become part of the servant class within the imperial houses.

Perhaps this is the same thing.

I find it interesting that in every area where these skulls appear there is a strong alien belief or history.

I'll have to search for it, but there is an interesting YouTube clip from a museum curator in Peru. He talks about similar skulls in his museum and the fact that western science refuses to examine them to explain some 'interesting' irregularities.

I read quite a lot about cranial elongation a few years ago and find an anomaly between the types who have practised it. King Tut apparently had an elongated head as did Queen Nerfititi ( sp), likewise high born Peruvians etc. We can maybe see that being royals, this would reasonable, well for those times anyway.... but for a significantly UNroyal area of Russia to produce them is fascinating. I have a feeling the Aborigines of Australia did also. They of the 'Dreamtime'.
These people are all separated by an enormous distance so contact and copycat stuff would have been very very unlikely. So I wonder what was the connection.Or to whom.
This thread is fascinating and I felt a wonderful sense of peace the minute I came into it viewing the OP photo of the river Tara. ( hope I got the name right at least!)

ETA: I am now pondering on the purpose of foot binding given cranial binding was maybe meant to increase brain power!!