CERN Scientists Eye Parallel Universe Breakthrough

*that's the title of the article

ABC NEWS

GENEVA (Reuters) - Physicists probing the origins of the cosmos hope that next year they will turn up the first proofs of the existence of concepts long dear to science-fiction writers such as hidden worlds and extra dimensions.

And as their Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN near Geneva moves into high gear, they are talking increasingly of the "New Physics" on the horizon that could totally change current views of the universe and how it works.

"Parallel universes, unknown forms of matter, extra dimensions... These are not the stuff of cheap science fiction but very concrete physics theories that scientists are trying to confirm with the LHC and other experiments."

A pretty interesting article. We all know they are doing more at this site then they outwardly claim. Sure, it could open doors to other dimensions, but do you really want a door to other dimensions so those critters can come through? I dunno'. Ya' never know what's on the other side of the door. Could be good. Could be bad.

Perhaps this is how ET travels.
Perhaps this will be great and we will expland our knowledge and our boundries.
Perhaps those running this are children playing with fire and we'll all be destroyed ...
or worse ... they'll screw with dimensional physics and we'll end up god knows where.

Anyways, thought ya'll would find it interesting that they are actually talking about the parallel universe breakthrough that they hope for. It's not all about gathering that antimatter, etc etc ...

(which we, as paranoid conspirarists, knew)

reply to post by FlyersFan


Of course they are...i fail to see how hitting protons at the speed of light and witnessing the collision for a nano second will prove that there are extra dimensions!!!!

There is more than meets the eye here...

reply to post by FlyersFan


I read an article yesterday on the LHC. They collided 2 particles, then 4 then more, and now "bunches"!!!
I seems either they are working up to a (-------) agenda, or until they will continue this path until it blows up.
Seems like the latter to me.

Originally posted by jrmcleod
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Of course they are...i fail to see how hitting protons at the speed of light and witnessing the collision for a nano second will prove that there are extra dimensions!!!!

There is more than meets the eye here...

I agree , it does seem a bit strange .
Can someone who understands this please help explain how such a claim can be made buy smaching protons together ?

by smashing atoms together scientists aim to recreate the events at the start of the big bang (not the big bang itself). By going higher in the energy levels increases the chance of finding any particles not previously found. They do this by smashing atoms together at very high speeds and watch the collisions and see what debris is out there due to the collision. Then it gets all complicated as pure maths have to be used but its this area where the hidden dimensions will be found not in the collider. Using current theories they try to work out the maths behind the collisions

To get it started up ... and what they present to the public .. is all scientific. But what it looks like they are really interested in (or perhaps a side interest?) are the more jungian things .. parallel universes, etc. There is definately more giong on with this then they are wanting the public to know about. They wouldn't be going to all this trouble and spending all this $$ unless they had some idea that something was there for them to discover. I'm wondering what they already know about parallel universes and other dimensions .. and I'm wondering how they found out about them!!

Originally posted by jrmcleod
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Of course they are...i fail to see how hitting protons at the speed of light and witnessing the collision for a nano second will prove that there are extra dimensions!!!!

There is more than meets the eye here...

As far as I understand it they are looking for missing energy. Basically they are smashing two particles together and add up all the energies of the particles created in the collision. The sum of these energies should be the total energy of the two collided particles. If the total enrgy of all particles prodcued in the collision does not add up to the energy of the two collided particles it means that energy is missing. This missing energy must have gone somewhere and could have escaped into a another dimension. Therefore missing energy could be an indication that hidden dimensions exist.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Another current discussion on this topic from a couple of days ago.

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LHC smashes particles at the speed of light together to see what happens. The reason this article suggest alternative dimensions is that certain particles upon being collided, are disappearing, only to reappear moments later. Realistically this is all follows quantum theory so when they say disappeared and reappeared, the amount of time they were gone for i'd imagine is billionth's of a second.

We can explain a alternate universe with physics theories.
We cannot explain particles disappearing from existence and reappearing from nothing.

ha!!! i say HA!

Check out ex d:ream keyboard palyer and now [no really] physicist,Brian Cox and see what you think of him.

They're trying to punch a hole in the wall. That punch has to equal the speed of light. To open the door, they have to continue the force indefinitely. So we're talking stargates and wormholes as possibilities.

I'm intrigued and slightly weirded out... Is it just me or does it seem like this article is full of holes and why doesn't it mention names of the scientists and theorists...

Physicists probing the origins of the cosmos hope that next year they will turn up the first proofs of the existence of concepts long dear to science-fiction writers such as hidden worlds and extra dimensions.

Whom?

This was how the "ideas" men and women in the international research center's Theory Group, which mulls over what could be out there beyond the reach of any telescope, put it in CERN's staff-targeted Bulletin this month

Who I ask!

if they do exist as predicted -- should be brought into computerized, if ephemeral, view, the theorists say.

Which theorists... ones involved directly with the LHC or outside "theorists"?

But I digress S&F OP.

My mega nerd sci-fi side eats this stuff up, now to ponder and possibly read more LHC related news articles.

Don't know how true this is, but I have read that there is a very real danger of them actually creating a BLACK HOLE that would swallow the planet.

I don't know if they meant it could be created by accident or if that is what they are trying to do.

If this is a possible outcome, then I don't think we should be playing around with this.

Anyone know more about this?

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I seriously doubt this. think of how much energy would be required to sustain such a thing.

Just my theory If it disappears and immediately shows back up is it possible that they are either doing time travel as explained by the cup of coffee theory or the alternate universe is doing the same test and they have swaps particles wasn't this a topic for that time travel guy that came back for a ti computer?

Originally posted by eggbert

Originally posted by jrmcleod
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Of course they are...i fail to see how hitting protons at the speed of light and witnessing the collision for a nano second will prove that there are extra dimensions!!!!

There is more than meets the eye here...

As far as I understand it they are looking for missing energy. Basically they are smashing two particles together and add up all the energies of the particles created in the collision. The sum of these energies should be the total energy of the two collided particles. If the total enrgy of all particles prodcued in the collision does not add up to the energy of the two collided particles it means that energy is missing. This missing energy must have gone somewhere and could have escaped into a another dimension. Therefore missing energy could be an indication that hidden dimensions exist.

In many other experiments with particle collision we have been able to measure energy GREATER than the particles being accelerated. The fact that other particles come into existence during some particle collisions and the fact that virtual particles constantly "pop" in and out of existence is what makes many consider the possibilities of hidden or parallel universes. Of course, missing energy would be just as exciting since there just might have to be a scientist in another dimension noticing energy coming into existence, while our LHC scientists are watching it disappear.

And if they create dark matter on earth and liberate particles, never seen since the creation, HERE ON EARTH, then what..? Let us not forget that there may be evidence of dark nutrino stars, made of dark matter in the very old cloud of stars in our own Milky Way Galaxy where such processes have taken place, so why not observe those for a while before throwing the switch at CERN in a couple of weeks from now..

Because if the up, the down and the strange quark, what they are referring to, playfully, as a squark form together and congeal to form a new stable element of dark matter, then we are ALL going to be heading into a new dimension of some kind, and perhaps in the very near future, since such a reaction, once started, would surely begin to follow a path of increasing returns, and therefore, expoential increases in magnitude, since the new element would be the most stable on earth, more so than iron, thus sinking it to the core of the planet..

Why not WAIT, do some more math and science, observe what we can OUT THERE, before liberating the forces of creation here on earth?!!

I don't get it, if even the risk were small, it is still NOT WORTH IT, unless maybe it was say part of God's plan all along or something.. I don't know..

reply to post by Maiden PEI

As far as I know, the micro black holes won't be formed until they go to full power sometime in 2012 or 2013, and from the research I've done, Stephen Hawking is wrong, and Einstein is correct, that black holes do not and cannot just "evaporate" by reversing the arrow of time (Stephen Hawking). Such black holes, like the strangelets they are about to start producing in November, at about a rate of 100/month, they fall to the center of the earth, untetected, and take anywhere from a relatively short period of time, to centuries or millenium, to grow to a mass capable of swallowing the earth, although it's almost common sense to think that if a black hole of ANY size forms, and falls to the center of the earth that we're in big trouble, quickly.

In any event, they do not "evaporate" by travelling backwards in time, as per Stephen Hawking's quack theory. Don't believe it.

They really are risking it ALL at CERN, and in the next month, and over the course of the next two to three years. We'll either be dead, in another dimension or both, or nothing will happen, but, that they are willing to risk all for the science, and for some Nobel Prizes strikes me as insane, particularly if they are setting out to prove the Big Bang Theory correct, or the simplicity on the other side of complexity, which is death. (and or resurrection...?)

It all begins this fall.. for better or for worse, since they're not likely to shut down the entire CERN experiment over this, even though they are anxiously anticipating the measurement of "squarks" or strange quarks, which, when formed with up and down quarks run the EXTREME risk, of killing our planet and all life upon it, in its present form..

What is up with these scientists and physicists??? Are they intentionally trying to make us all extinct....then again we wouldn't know if it happened, cause it would happen so fast....one second here, next second...

Everything they are studying began as "curiosity" and proving that their rows and rows of mathematical formulas were telling the truth or not. Scientists do not care about anything but PROVING they are right!!!

Like HAARP, the LHC should also be disabled before these megalomaniac scientists and physicists, who are legends in their own minds set something in motion they never expected to happen.

Advanced civilizations have always destroyed themselves due to the EGO...and seems it doesn't matter how many times it happens....they never learn. And, of course, everyone pays for it without even being given a chance.

~holly

What is interesting Holly, are their "jokes" about it ie: if they're wrong, then there's no world and no one to hold them to account, they think that's funny.

In one video I saw a CERN scientist talking about "the event" while attempting to surpress a nervous smile, averting his gaze and pawing at his face, I think he used the word "novelty" to describe it.

So they are expecting

Strange Electrons - Selectrons
Strange Quarks - Squarks

They have a detection device for detecting strangelets, and are EXPECTING strangelets, the joining of up, down and "squark".

They are setting up the conditions of creation, such that they are hoping to produce dark matter, HERE ON EARTH!

nAd there are other.. synchronicities, regarding the "outcome" which I've ran across, and that are seemingly unrelated, but which point directly to the same thing, and that's what I find troubling.

They WANT something to happen, and they don't seem to care much WHAT, just so long as it's totally NOVEL.

Reminds me of Terrance McKenna's TimeWaveZero program. He figured it would be a technological singularity of some kind, and speculated that it would come in the form of AI or machine consciousness, but this LHC @ CERN would fit the profile to a T.

It's kind of scary, depanding on your frame of reference. I myself am a person of faith, so it's not all THAT bad, since the first/last cause wills all things to the good and knows what's best, but it still scares me to be honest, how utterly RECKLESS they are being about this.

CERN - 13 Billion Dollar Machine

It's too big to fail - will they just shut the whole program down, or, flip the switch?

They ought to just stop for a while and do some more math and physics and start checking out stablized versions of what this would do to our planet which exist within our own Milky Way Galaxy.

By some calculations, strange matter quark stars cannot occur naturally, and thus, if we see these moon-sized things out there, radiating their lighthouse style pulsar, that COULD offer the first evidence of extraterrestrial civilization, who of course went ahead with it themselves when the time came to create strange matter..