Jesse Ventura Schools Eric Bolling/Fox Business News About 9/11! Jesse Rules!

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by jambatrumpet
That aside. I think we disagree on one main point.

You think those buildings fell down because of fire and the damage caused by airlplanes. I believe they were controlled demolitions. I also believe any careful study leads to that conclusion. Thus my mystification by your opinion.

The problem is that your supposed "careful studies" aren't careful studies- they're hack jobs with an agenda to specifically "prove" conspiracy regardless of what the facts actually show. Take a look at this- it's a section of WTC structural steel recovered from ground zero-

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6cc309d1f98a.jpg[/atsimg]

First off, it shows the claim that "all steel was immediately shipped overseas without examination" is a lie right there becuase this is one of the pieces being stored at the hanger at JFK (the one that Jesse Ventura tried to get into in his show, "Conspiracy Theory") specifically becuase it's evidence on how the towers collapsed. Second, I can easily explain to you how this steel was bent like a coat hanger from the massive overwhelming forces from the collapsing wreckage crushing down upon it. Can you explain how your controlled demolitons would have remotely caused this girder to have bent like a coat hanger? No you can not.

So, if this one single photo can cast the "careful studies" showing there were controlled demolitions into doubt, then just how "careful" a study was it to begin with? The reason why I don't find your claims of controlled demolitions credible should be obvious- Why on EARTH should I take a bunch of con artists who put out blatant "all the steel was shipped off oversears" falsehoods seriously?

edit on 16-10-2010 by GoodOlDave because: (no reason given)

If it was a cause by a crush depth altitude from hitting the Ground let alone the weight of heavy fallen debris
from the Collapse , You Would Defiantly see Cracks , Shock Ripples , and Breaks in this Beam

What i see is same thing in a Process of Angle Roll Bending

as I see it , this can be only caused by Temperature around 3,000 to 4,000 F at the Bending point ,

For a VISUAL VIEW the Heat would look like A Bright Yellowish Glowing metal ( note Look at Steel making rolling video below) in less than 2 hours from Jet Fuel (Kerosene ) Is highly unlikely at this extreme bend in the Photo of this Post

It is Possible to make a Bend in low heat but you will have noticeable Ripple ribs in the Process and you will
have weak points of the result of it you would have to reheat to almost White Heat Temperature to Restrengthen for tensile Strength or it will crack from torsion but for that Bend you see in this Picture the only way possible for it to happen is to have at least the Tempature of 3,000 degree & to bend from end to end of the Curvature to prevent Breaks Cracks, Ripples,

The Weight of the 2 towers alone can bend This Beam but there would be , Stress Breaks ,Ripples & Cracks from thew View of this Photo i can not See the Evidence Of those types of Stress

Big Question is

Was this Caused by Jet fuel Alone ? or was there another Source that when along with it like Thermite paste ,& Napalm? and don't forget the Lady waving for help in the Airliner impact entrance in the First Tower
Edna Cintron








Bending ( With Formulas)
en.wikipedia.org...

ok now for Cold Bending !

][ Beams can be bended by using Extrusion Force but in a Slow Process !

Durma Angle Roll Bending I-Beam


Steelmaking: Rolling


this Is my Guess but i do see a break at the center bend as it hard to see from the angle of the View
as i took another approach but there still should be Stress cracks or Ripples all around the Bend

lol, well not to get back on topic or anything, but Jesse in this video from yesterday will apparently be revisiting 9/11 in his show this season. And if I am reading things correctly, I believe he may even be interviewing April Gallop!

She's the only one I know of that claims to have come out the exit hole in the Pentagon- or at least, the only one whose story about that is pretty widely known.

He also calls Bill O'Reilly "a spineless puke."

I listened/watched this twice and can not make up my mind if Eric Bolling stated that he said he "Saw" one of the plane go into one of the world Trade Center buildings and also state that he was inside working at one of the World Trade Center buildings during the attacks. They were both talking so fast and over top each-other I was not able to come towards any conclusion.

I am not trying to make any allegations either way but just seeking clarification as it could point towards the hosts credibility.

Please do not get me wrong as I am not delusional in thinking that we could learn anything new towards the truth (if there actually is anything more to the truth) via just this video. Just interested in the hosts credibility, nothing more.

Regards,

t

reply to post by GoodOlDave

All right then, I stand to be convinced. Explain to me how controlled demolitions would have bent one end of this steel like a coat hanger without leaving any blast marks, and would have cut the other end with the same perfect flush surface that the beam had when it left the mill.

I do not believe controlled demolition bent the steel as you put it. I believe that particular piece of steel “may” have been bent as the WTC top was leaning over and from the excessive top weight, however I can only guess as you have done.
Dave, can you tell us to what exact part does that particular beam belong to at the WTC?

Who is suggesting as proof the other end may have been cut from the Mill? Or is that your opinion? Perhaps supper Na-nothermite may have been used to cut through the steel, couldn’t that be a possibility since science proved na-nothermite was found in the WTC dust samples, a compound particle that had no business to being there in the first place.

I'm not holding my breath that you'll be able to provide a suitable answer

I wouldn’t want you to; because you certainly have demonstrated the OS is the suitable answer to all of your 911 questions. How does that work for you?

I observe a pattern of behavior in some debunkers which evinces an immaturity and spirit of sabotage. In defending the lies of those they see as the winning side they begin to sacrifice a level of sanity.

This third-grade stick-out-yer-tongue attitude is prima-facie evidence identifying those who 'make and love a lie'.

If you want to know what it takes to heat steel- get a torch and do it! or talk to someone who has worked with steel or go to the internet and compare the yellow-hot steel they were picking out of the basement 'furnace' (in the words of some firefighters) and you will see that bright yellow means a temp of about 1900F




as for nano thermite, remember, it takes a pound of that compound to melt a pound of steel... I think it is obvious to the honest observer (once you point it out) that there were and had to have been large amounts of explosives used as cutting charges but this does not BEGIN TO EXPLAIN the phenomenal amounts of TOTAL HEAT IN THE TOTALITY OF MASS at 'ground zero'...... only fusion reactions explain ALL OF THE OBVIOUS PHENOMENA

Originally posted by Wolfenz
If it was a cause by a crush depth altitude from hitting the Ground let alone the weight of heavy fallen debris
from the Collapse , You Would Defiantly see Cracks , Shock Ripples , and Breaks in this Beam

There are cracks and breaks in the beam. Look at the far end and you can see where the box column broke when it curled in. The broken edge is sitting directly on the wooden block.

What i see is same thing in a Process of Angle Roll Bending

Then that would necessarily mean this was fabricate din this position. What section in the building would even remotely need a weird shaped column like this?

Was this Caused by Jet fuel Alone ? or was there another Source that when along with it like Thermite paste ,& Napalm? and don't forget the Lady waving for help in the Airliner impact entrance in the First Tower
Edna Cintron

No, actually, I suggest that YOU don't forget Edna Cintron. She jumped from the WTC to get away from the fires, and since her only choice was to jump, it says right there what kind of hellish fires were burning in the interior.. This isn't her, but this IS what happened to her:

WARNING: Graphic image. Click only if you have a strong stomach

Hers was a hard core, real life tragedy. Using her tragedy in some kind of game to keep your conspiracy stories alive is pretty sleazy, dude.

Originally posted by impressme
I do not believe controlled demolition bent the steel as you put it. I believe that particular piece of steel “may” have been bent as the WTC top was leaning over and from the excessive top weight, however I can only guess as you have done.

Then you have a problem. If this component could have legitimately failed due to it being unable to withstand the massive forces crashing down upon it, then it stands to reason they all could have legitimately failed due to it being unable to withstand the massive forces crashing down upon it becuase this type of component was used throughout the building.

Dave, can you tell us to what exact part does that particular beam belong to at the WTC?

No, but from the rectangular shape with the H shaped corners it lookls like on the the deep inner core columns, or at least, it's not one of the square outer core columns or the waffle pattern perimeter columns. This means this column is the very ones you people insist had to have been destroyed by secret controlled demolitions.

Who is suggesting as proof the other end may have been cut from the Mill? Or is that your opinion? Perhaps supper Na-nothermite may have been used to cut through the steel, couldn’t that be a possibility since science proved na-nothermite was found in the WTC dust samples, a compound particle that had no business to being there in the first place.

It's not an opinion, it's based on the photo that's righ tin front of you. Thermite doesn't cut. It melts and leaves drippy/sloppy irregular edges, as shown in the demonstration in Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" series. Look at the clean edges of the end of the steel. There's no way this was destroyed by any supposed thermite or even acelylene torch. This was either cut by a saw, or it's the natural end as it came from the steel mill. You do know each beam had a natural end as it came from the steel mill so I won't point out the obvious to you.

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Good ol Dave, Still waiting for your response to this post on previous page by 'Groingrinder'

Originally posted by groingrinder
Would you care to explain how a kerosene and office furniture fire destroyed HUGE STEEL BEAMS? Something people do not seem to understand is that a [color=#FF9900]JET ENGINE ONLY BURNS HOT BECAUSE THE COMPRESSOR AT THE FRONT END IS SPINNING AT AN OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT OF RPM'S TO COMPRESS THE AIR/FUEL MIXTURE. WITHOUT THAT COMPRESSOR SPINNING YOU JUST HAVE A KEROSENE FIRE. The compressors were disintegrated when the plane hit the building. So from that point on you just have a kerosene fire.

I spent ten years of my life running the annealing furnaces for one of the major tool manufacturers in the world. That means that I SOFTENED STEEL FOR A LIVING. So I know what it takes to soften steel. Incidentally the steel I was softening was plier handles, chisels and other small hand tools. In order to soften these small tool parts you have to bring the temperature up to about 2200 degrees F and hold it there for about [color=#33FF33]TEN HOURS. Then you bring the temperature down to about 1100 degrees F over a period of about [color=#33FF33]EIGHT HOURS. These were just small hand tools remember. The bigger the steel, the longer you will have to leave it at temperature in order to soften it. [color=#FF6600]So a paltry kerosene fire burning for a couple hours is NOT going to be able to soften the HUGE STRUCTURAL STEEL BEAMS.

I challenge anyone to go to a junkyard and acquire a piece of structural steel. Then get a ROCKWELL TESTER to scientifically test the hardness of that steel. After that throw some kerosene soaked office furniture on it and let it burn for a few hours. Then come back and use the Rockwell tester to scientifically test your sample and see how many points of hardness it has lost.

edit on 10-16-2010 by groingrinder because: Edited to try and get the font colors to come out right.

Jesse is all over that guy haha! There are 2 types of 9/11 deniers, ones that know the truth and lie about it, and people like this guy, who are still living a dream world.

Originally posted by iamcamouflage
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Bollings justifications for "Knowing 911" are simply hilarious. His reasoning, 911 wasnt perpetrated by our govt because a) he saw it happen b) he consoled friends who lost people and c) he raised money for firefighters. This is what he considers "studying" the incident. And its also funny that his first response to Ventura's questioning of 911 has to do with seeing the planes hit the buildings. As if any person questioning 911 is implying that no planes hit the buildings. Few deny that planes hit the buildings, they only question who allowed or arranged it to happen.

so it seemss to me that Bolling was arguing the fact that it happened...
which it did...
but guess what Bolling old chap. WE KNOW IT HAPPENED. the argument was in regards to the cause...
very sneaky avoidance of subject....

Originally posted by jambatrumpet
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

Good ol Dave, Still waiting for your response to this post on previous page by 'Groingrinder'

Originally posted by groingrinder
Would you care to explain how a kerosene and office furniture fire destroyed HUGE STEEL BEAMS? Something people do not seem to understand is that a [color=#FF9900]JET ENGINE ONLY BURNS HOT BECAUSE THE COMPRESSOR AT THE FRONT END IS SPINNING AT AN OUTRAGEOUS AMOUNT OF RPM'S TO COMPRESS THE AIR/FUEL MIXTURE. WITHOUT THAT COMPRESSOR SPINNING YOU JUST HAVE A KEROSENE FIRE. The compressors were disintegrated when the plane hit the building. So from that point on you just have a kerosene fire.

I didn't answer this becuase I didn't see it. I am using the MIT report from materials engineer Thomas Eagar, Although it's an estimate and does contain assumptions that later turned out to be incorrect (I.E. the exact amount of fuel that was dumped into the structure) the calculations it contains are still valid. In short:

a) the craft dumped thousands of gallons of aviation fuel all throughout the building and caught fire immediately, setting entire floors of the building ablaze simultaneously.

b) Thermal imaging estimates claim the fires reached temperatures of somewhere between 500C-800C. According to Eagar, structural steel begins to soften at 425C and loses half its strength at 650C, which although is within the thermal range of the fires, the steel was still resiliant enough to withstand this heat.

c) The problem is that the fires weren't uniform due to the random dispersement of the aviation fuel and the unpredictable damage pattern from the impact. Thus, one side of a column would be heated to a much higher temperature than the other side. This caused distortion from uneven thermal expansion and contraction due to the irregular temperatures, and Eagar estimates that all it would take is a 150C temperature differential to cause this to happen. Combined with the enormous pressure bearing down upon it by the upper section of the structure, it caused warping and buckling, which eventually led to structural failure.

d) Therefore, the steel failed not becuase of damage from the plane impact, not becuase of the massive amounts of fuel, and not even becuase of the fires. The steel failed becuase of all three events happening at the same time. NIST calculated almost the same answer, though they believe the steel buckled in a different location.

e) Nonetheless all the reports agree that it wasn't the massive core columns that buckled first. It was the much lighter weight horizontal floor support braces, which were connected to the columns and held the floor in air. Once they failed and began falling, the core columns would have been pulled inwards by their connection to the floor braces, and they would have collapsed in turn under the enormous pressure from above.

I will be the first to admit this is an educated estimate, since I doubt we'll ever know definitively what caused the collapse. That said, I accept this scenario because it at least has the benefit of using factors which were documented to have been in the building, rather that introducing fantastical explanations and improbable scenarios that require too much make believe and abject paranoia to for me to take seriously.

The full report can be found here: MIT Report on the collapse of the WTC

Does this suitably answer your question?

Overall it was an entertaining interview. Lets remember that. Its entertainment.

I thought Ventura did well. He surprised me. However I do think he got a very easy ride. I thought the interviewer was very accomodating to Ventura. It makes me wonder if there is a push to get this conspiracy into the mainstream and why this would be done. Are some lambs going to be thrown to the slaughter.

Ventura needs to be very careful though. He needs to make sure to keep a cool head. Another interviewer would tear him to shreds and would push all those buttons to make him go crazy that Bolling didn't push. Maybe Bolling secretly agrees with Ventura but could never admit it publicily so allowed him an easy ride here. It kinda looked like that. The exchange between them at the end of the interview was scripted. The whole thing is scripted. The trick is trying to figure out what the agenda behind it all is?

I would love to see Jesse go on the O Reilly show but like you said, his buttons would be pushed and old bill would finally get what he deserves a serious beat down.

Jesse is awesome. He talks really slow sometimes and talks in such simple language that he sometimes doesn't sound like the smartest guy on earth, but i give him HUGE credit for having the balls as a prominent public figure to doubt the government with such conviction. His show Conspiracy Theory is great, and I am a total truther on the issue of 9/11. the commission report was a sham. I was disappointed that Jesse set up his own trap in saying Lithium was the one reason we went to Afghanistan. He said it was worth a trillion dollars, and the fox news guy said, "but we spent more than that in the war". To which Jesse stared blankly and bit his tongue. Valiant effort Jesse but don't step in your own bear traps. otherwise good interview

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I think Jesse will get better with handling these mainstream media truth deniers. A lot of folks are waking up to government cover-ups and false flag operations thanks to the internet.And also,check out infowars.com with Alex Jones.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by Wolfenz
If it was a cause by a crush depth altitude from hitting the Ground let alone the weight of heavy fallen debris
from the Collapse , You Would Defiantly see Cracks , Shock Ripples , and Breaks in this Beam

There are cracks and breaks in the beam. Look at the far end and you can see where the box column broke when it curled in. The broken edge is sitting directly on the wooden block.

What i see is same thing in a Process of Angle Roll Bending

Then that would necessarily mean this was fabricate din this position. What section in the building would even remotely need a weird shaped column like this?

Was this Caused by Jet fuel Alone ? or was there another Source that when along with it like Thermite paste ,& Napalm? and don't forget the Lady waving for help in the Airliner impact entrance in the First Tower
Edna Cintron

No, actually, I suggest that YOU don't forget Edna Cintron. She jumped from the WTC to get away from the fires, and since her only choice was to jump, it says right there what kind of hellish fires were burning in the interior.. This isn't her, but this IS what happened to her:

WARNING: Graphic image. Click only if you have a strong stomach

Hers was a hard core, real life tragedy. Using her tragedy in some kind of game to keep your conspiracy stories alive is pretty sleazy, dude.

OK well just check back to this post and for the later reply

Form the Quotes
1) yes i saw the crack or is it a Damaged Stud Spur ? and what i see is that piece is resting on a another Outer Support Walled beam as the rest of the bottom of the Beam is Hidden and if you look way over you will see stacked undamaged I Beams ! and the American Flag in the center of the Curved from the Camera Shot i say this Photo of this Beam could of been staged to show the Public as the Flag is a Dead giveaway
I would love to see the Front Shot of the Bend ..

2) to me it resembles the Angle Roll Process it did not say it was!!! did i ?
as this Beam does not show Cracks nor Ripples AROUND the Curve!!!!! Bend as the only way possible for it to bend like that is around the whole Beam to be around over 2000f to 3000 F for a Visual I would of been glowing to illuminate state at that temperature !! ( See links ) and I did not say that Beam was! I said it Looked like it as i have see no Ripples or Stress Cracks around the whole curvature from that Photo




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Last California Steel Mill Perseveres
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3) this isn't HER ohh and you know who? please Tell ATS who that person ( female ) is
Care to explain why here hair is still on her head if the Temperature was that Unbearable ?
She Jumped ? is there any evidence to that ? Videos ? please link a video showing her jumping at that same location! !!!! More Likely She could of died of carbon monoxide poisoning .. from all the Smoke