British spy' found dead in bath

British spy' found dead in bath

www.guardian.co.uk

Police were last night investigating the murder of a man whose body was found stuffed in a sports bag in the bath of his London flat.

The man, who was in his early 30s, is believed to have worked for the government's intelligence agencies. An unconfirmed report suggested he had worked at GCHQ, the government's secret listening service, and had been on secondment to MI6, the secret intelligence service, when he disappeared up to 10 days ago.

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I figure such and article is most fitting for ATS, since we are over the formalities how about one begins to question the answers given within the article or the fact that the whole article in itself sounds oddly familiar as an official announcement to those who want reassurance.

So i guess you have read the article and it more or less points to the obvious, but towards the end of the article it does specifically state

Officers are yet to identify the deceased."

So if officers are yet to identify the deceased, how on earth are such conclusions drawn right from the start of the article ?

www.guardian.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

reply to post by tristar

So if officers are yet to identify the deceased, how on earth are such conclusions drawn right from the start of the article ?

Because it is his bath, in his flat. It's always possible that the spy is not dead and the person contained in the sports bag was someone else I suppose, but it's a fair assumption to make when someone has gone "missing" and then a body is found murdered in their bath.




[edit on 25-8-2010 by RMFX1]

[edit on 8/25/10 by NovusOrdoMundi]

reply to post by tristar


Wow, So he was possibly a spy at a British listening post (usually a radio post). And a strange coded voice signal from a Russian station that has not transmitted a voice secret code in many many years did this a few days ago. Could there be a connection?
news.slashdot.org...

uvb-76.blogspot.com...

This was a voice transmission (USB) in Russian that has been only transmitting pulsed buzzes at about 5 second intervals continuously for the past 28years.

Extremely out of the ordinary.

Here is the link about what has been happening with the uvb-76 "buzzer" station lately:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


The Transmission occurred at 9:35AM PST 23 August 2010.
The message was:

"UVB-76, UVB-76 - 93 882 naimina 74 14 35 74 - 9 3 8 8 2 nikolai, anna, ivan, michail, ivan, nikolai, anna, 7, 4, 1, 4, 3, 5, 7, 4 - "(repeated twice)


"na imina" means "on names" in Russian.

Notice also that the first letter of each name sent also spells out "naimina"
Could this be the coded name of the dead spy of radio transmissions for MI6 sent by a station that this spy has probably monitored for many years???
Intriguing. Or at least, somewhat provocative.


[edit on 25-8-2010 by Zeptepi]

Originally posted by tristar
So if officers are yet to identify the deceased, how on earth are such conclusions drawn right from the start of the article ?

Well, since they found the body of a man, in a flat that belongs to a man that has been missing, it's safe to assume it's him. Whoever he is.
However they still have to go through official identification procedures as in any murder case.

It seems pretty clear, at least to the media, that the victim did work for GCHQ AND MI6.

From the Telegraph

The man, named locally as Gareth Williams, is understood to have been employed as a communications worker at GCHQ, the Government’s “listening post” in Cheltenham, Glos.

It is believed Mr Williams, who was in his thirties, was on secondment at the headquarters of MI6, the Secret Intelligence Service, in Vauxhall, just across the Thames from where his body was found.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

According to Sky News the Police are not linking his death to terrorisim.

Sky sources say police have ruled out terrorism and are working on the theory the man's death is connected to his personal life.

Source



[edit on 25-8-2010 by Peruvianmonk]

Mod Edit: Fixed link

[edit on 25-8-2010 by Gemwolf]

I was trying to post this for ages. but ats wouldnt let me, some sort of error(slightly pissed off now.)

Don't know how all the news agencys can be sure that he really is an MI6 spy,
If he was how did they find out? it's not like they are going to advertise it.

reply to post by MR BOB


The media has sources is why mate. They are always having information leaked to them by the Police, either as a strategy from the top or from rogue officers.

They do this to secure the medias co-operation in sensitive cases and to see if they along with the Public know any information on the case.

From the Mail ( So not to be taken as gospel!)

Detectives investigating the murder of a British spy said today he could have been killed up to two weeks ago.

The body of the agent, who was in his 30s, was discovered stuffed in a large sports bag in his bath in a flat just a few hundred yards from the headquarters of MI6.

It is understood the man had been stabbed, possibly several times, and his body was decomposing when it was found. Elsewhere in the top-floor flat - in a bizarre ritualistic scene - his mobile telephone and a collection of SIM cards were carefully laid out.

www.dailymail.co.uk...



[edit on 25-8-2010 by Peruvianmonk]

not much of a spy if he got stabbed up and stuffed in a bag
and left to rot in the bath ???
trust, james bond would of double back fliped fly kicked the guy clean out of the window .... amatures thes days lol

It seems as though he was left there as a message or maybe the assassin was disturbed before he could carry the spook out the building.

We'll never know what really happened anyway. Poor bloke. RIP.

If this man is in fact a "spy" the agency he works for won't admit it...so we'll probably never find out for sure

reply to post by Pockets


Well the fact he is working for the intelligence agencies of some sort and in some capacity is already out there, so it will be pretty difficult for that to later be retracted. He seems to have at least worked for GCHQ, and was living extremly close to MI6 headquaters.

A pretty gruesome, horrible death by any standard.

From a blog by Tim Marshall on Sky News.

The bizarre murder of a GCHQ employee, attached to MI6 in London, inevitably led to speculation that perhaps this was an Al-Qaeda hit. Well, perhaps yes. But as a Sky source said '‘The idea that he was the victim of a terrorist attack is the least likely scenario they are looking at’.

The victim, who a neighbour told Sky News was called Gareth, was in his thirties, single, and reported by various newspapers to be a maths graduate from Cambridge University. That academic qualification fits one of the profiles of the type of person who might be recruited by GCHQ. He had a flat in Cheltenham, where GCHQ is based, and was renting the London flat on a short term basis.

blogs.news.sky.com...:a9fc0739-fa17-41d8-97a3-c0461d170343

Does it seem a bit early for this murder to not be considered as linked to his line of work to be ALMOST ruled out?

Originally posted by satnav_c-1
not much of a spy if he got stabbed up and stuffed in a bag
and left to rot in the bath ???
trust, james bond would of double back fliped fly kicked the guy clean out of the window .... amatures thes days lol

Well, if he was just some communications person or an analyst or something, than it's not like he's some field officer with that sort of advanced training.

Assuming the info in the article is all correct and not partially obfuscation (entirely possible!), then this guy sounds more like a desk jockey than James Bond.

reply to post by Peruvianmonk

Well the fact he is working for the intelligence agencies of some sort and in some capacity is already out there

Maybe so...but neither MI5, MI6 or GCHQ like acknowledging there assets, they won't admit he was one of them...I'd be very surprised if they did

Originally posted by MR BOB
I was trying to post this for ages. but ats wouldnt let me, some sort of error(slightly pissed off now.)

Don't know how all the news agencys can be sure that he really is an MI6 spy,
If he was how did they find out? it's not like they are going to advertise it.

Had exactly the same problem myself, early hours of this morning - reported as some kind of coding error.

All very strange this story and rather le-Carre-esque. Just wondering how small the gentleman was or how big the sports bag is...

And also, if he was part of GCHQ/MI6 how on earth did it take two weeks for someone to notice he was missing?

[edit on 25/8/10 by chukka]

He was a graduate of Cambridge University and had a Ph.D. in mathematics. The police believe his death has something to do with his private life, not his work for MI6.

The plot thickens.

According to one of his neighbours the victim may have been working with the Foreign Office(FO). The FO, MI6, MI5 and GCHQ are heavily linked.

This morning, the man's former landlady, Jenny Elliott, said he had lived in a flat in her house near Cheltenham for 10 years while working nearby.

On Monday night, she said, a woman identifying herself as the Foreign Office's head of employee assistance visited her to ask if she had heard from him lately or knew where he was.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Originally posted by Sam Vimes
It seems as though he was left there as a message or maybe the assassin was disturbed before he could carry the spook out the building.

We'll never know what really happened anyway. Poor bloke. RIP.

or maybe the assassin was injured himself
and couldn't haul the body out.
The deceased may have gotten
some good licks in himself
before being done in.

a story worth watching

Originally posted by micpsi
The police believe his death has something to do with his private life, not his work for MI6.

lol
if you're a spy
there is NO private life.
It's all work related.