Commanding General Promoting Christian Army

Years ago I was a soldier, back during the height of the Cold War in the mid-1980s. It was a generally peaceful time to be in, even if I was stationed at a Pershing II missile battery -- the tactical epicenter of the Cold War. Generally, my experience was very positive. The army had just ended promotion mostly based on time in grade, moving instead to a merit based system. We were a diverse group from all walks of American life, and we blended well, even making light of our differences. In the end, we all wore green and well did the same dull, grinding task of maintaining our systems in hopes we'd never have to use them.

Never, not once, did I ever experience any pressure or hear of any from anyone else in terms of religious influence. That was then, this is now:

www.huffingtonpost.com...

"For the past several years, two U.S. Army posts in Virginia, Fort Eustis and Fort Lee, have been putting on a series of what are called Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concerts. As I've written in a number of other posts, "spiritual fitness" is just the military's new term for promoting religion, particularly evangelical Christianity. And this concert series is no different."

Read this short article in its entirety. If you hate Huff Post, fine, read the content anyway because the source is the MRFF (Military Religious Freedom Foundation). Read this and tell me you are not alarmed. Is this not exactly the sort of thing we are claimed to be fighting overseas. Isn't this the same fears so many Americans have about Islam -- that Islamic Sharia will be imposed on us over time from the inside, maybe over generations? Well, what about what you might call Christian Sharia, what about the fact that the reins of power and weaponry for these zealots are actually in the hands of some of these zealots already.

In my opinion, this Major General should be brought up on charges under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) and stripped of further command. Every officer and participating NCO should be formally reprimanded. The punishing NCO should be offered rank busting to E1 or a discharge under other than honorable circumstances. The SecDef should also immediately order a full stop to all such activities under threat of swift charges.

People, make no mistake, faux Christian zealots will steal your rights and destroy the Constitution as fast as Bin Laden and they have the tools and maybe political power to do it much sooner. Ignore it at your own peril.

reply to post by pajoly


By the way, it's my first thread, so my apologies if it is in the wrong Forum. I could not locate a Religious-specific forum.

For a long time i have been asking myself, is this not the fourth crusade we are fighting right now in the middle east?

Sadly My heart pleads No, while my brain screams Yes!



~meathead

Though I am neither American, one side of my family is, nor Army, the other side all were, I have had experience with fundies.
In the extreme they seem to think that they are mandated to being completely dishonest in order to take over rulership of the planet.
If you look at who controls the fundies then you come up to the same old ususal suspects and that to me, IS VERY SCARY.
good thread for a firsty
SandF
I think it very important to look at this subject.

Anytime I have delt with a Fundie authority figure who said there was going to be a selection or a choice...there was no selection, and the choice was loaded.

In one situation the price of exercising my right to choose, was an attempt to deny me an essential credit that I had already qualified for. I had to sue the local schoolboard to get my Grade 12 diploma.
The priniciple/teacher got fired...
A very similar situation if you substitute school for the military.


[edit on 20-8-2010 by Danbones]

reply to post by pajoly


During this whole controversy over the NY community center/mosque, one thing that I read has frightened me more than any other:

Ironically, we don't have to look far from home to find a significant number of people who want religion as a source of law. In the United States, a 2006 Gallup Poll indicates that a majority of Americans want the Bible as a source of legislation.

* Forty-six percent of Americans say that the Bible should be "a" source, and 9% believe it should be the "only" source of legislation.

source

What ever happened to the separation of Church and State?

reply to post by Mike Stivic


My personal study has me convinced this zealotry is a major mortar in the Tea Party foundation. The Sharron Angles, Palin, and ad nauseum new politicos fashion themselves as Christian warriors.

We are at a tipping point.

It is pretty alarming and falls directly into a growing movement that is hoodwinking christans into a heretical view of biblical christianity.

A good resource with the insight of being a chrisitian is Sarah Leslie. She is a part of discernment ministires and runs this blog herescope.blogspot.com...

Id recommend listening to some podcasts interviews of her as well to get more indepth than what a blog can convey.

reply to post by pajoly


"My personal study has me convinced this zealotry is a major mortar in the Tea Party foundation. The Sharron Angles, Palin, and ad nauseum new politicos fashion themselves as Christian warriors."
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We will have to go ahead and agree to disagree here.

I do not believe religous zealotry or racism is the major mortar holding the tea party Movement together.

The glue that holds this Movement together is the desire for fiscal responsability.

I will say though that the figureheads they have allowed to hijack thier movement are doing a very good job of driving the movement into the ground.

That however is not what i thought this thread was about, the tea party in no way can be mistaken for directing our military establishment...


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"We are at a tipping point."

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I agree.

Respectfully,

~meathead

well I for one do not think the thread title
to be accurate. They are not promoting
a Christian Army or they would have asked
the soldiers to lay down their beliefs and accept
Christianity. They promoted a concert!!! that doesn't
require converting your faith. Hell, we all do things
in life we really don't like to do and attend functions
that we really don't want to go to. Am I gonna
make a big stink about each one? Absolutely not!!!
Actually I am offended (being a Christian) that they
would refuse the function based entirely on their faith.
Because you are Muslim, does that make you too
good to attend a Christian function every once in
a while? Or are you the ones with religious blinders on??
They weren't asking for your souls .....
just a lil bit of your time and attention.
I see this way overblown IMO.

reply to post by pajoly


Huff Post, huh ?

Have you read the articles exposing the 96% of jewish ownership and control of the world's media, first of all ?

Next: in the Huff Post article, apart from the alleged General's name and the name of the alleged 'band' --- the entire 'evidence' is anecdotal, as far as I can see

Where are the identities of the 'soldiers' who provided the 'evidence ' ?


Ok. You want teh 'general' to be stripped etc. etc.


So how do you feel about the fact that the Saudis, by their own admission, have spent 87 BILLION dollars in the promotion of Wahhabism / Islam in the West ?

How do you feel about the army of people who post in forums just like this, in order to promote Islam in the West ?

By the way, that 87 billion dollars spent by the Saudis in only what they openly admit to. Who knows what the real figure is


How much do you imagine the alleged 'general' is allegedly investing ? What .. ten dollars, twenty ?

No. I don't agree the general should be stripped or subjected to any other form of censure or penalty --- not until you and those like you are prepared to mete out the same punishments to the Saudis and their Paid to Post slaves and crooked politicians, etc. -- mulitiplied by millions in accordance with the fortune they're investing in teh spread of Islam in the West

There's your answer





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[edit on 20-8-2010 by Dock9]

Thank you for your post. I just made a thread on this subject and your thread really shows what I was trying to say on it.

I think this is pretty shocking actually.

You can read my thread here. : Christian terrorism

Christian Terrorisim


guffaw


chortle

ROFL


sure. 'christian terrorism' is at an all time high

that's why it has to be 'announced' in forums

otherwise, all the millions of Christians out there wouldn't know about it


because it isn't happening


apart from within the think-tanks of those trying to crank up the religious wars they've had on the drawing board alongside WW1, WW2 and all the other wars they've engineered and orchestrated


C'mon. Let's have the full deck, lol

When are the Judaic Terrorists going to be announced, huh ?

Let's get them in here and kick-start the jewish army too

Or are they too busy orchestrating the Christian-Islamic wars ?

Originally posted by americandingbat
reply to post by pajoly

 

During this whole controversy over the NY community center/mosque, one thing that I read has frightened me more than any other:

Ironically, we don't have to look far from home to find a significant number of people who want religion as a source of law. In the United States, a 2006 Gallup Poll indicates that a majority of Americans want the Bible as a source of legislation.

* Forty-six percent of Americans say that the Bible should be "a" source, and 9% believe it should be the "only" source of legislation.

source

What ever happened to the separation of Church and State?

Yikes! That scares the hell out of me. How can people become so brain washed.
2nd line!

[edit on 20-8-2010 by Procession101]

[edit on 20-8-2010 by Procession101]

This IS a problem, there are many Fundies in positions of power within the military, and quite a few exert pressure to "voluntarily: join the flock.
Look up the scandal at the Air Force Academy, do some Googling on this subject and you will see what I mean! I can't do it as I'm at work.
Oh, and thanks for the anti semetic posts!
Seems like there's allways time for Jew bashing! Jeeez

reply to post by Dock9


I did not intend to bash Christianity or compare terrorist actions from any origin.

The reason to explicitly mention the word Christian was to tell it does exist.
Maybe the reason for the difference in Islamic and Terrorists acts is the fact that Christianity does not have a majority of followers in a country that is either influenced or even occupied by another nations / culture.

For whatever it's worth I condemn every terrorist action. No matter what reasons triggered the terrorist attack.

Edit to ad:

If you never heard about it then it is time to open your eyes.

It doesn't mean I'm blind.

[edit on 8/20/2010 by Sinter Klaas]

Yea. I guess we all have that enemy somewhere called, the difference between the true and the false . Maybe a starting point for all of us to go back to, is the difference between what is a lie and what is truth. good post S&F seems to fit nicely within the discourse of late . peace

reply to post by americandingbat


The last leading parties that made up our government were made up of Christian democratic party, a socialist party and a religious party, which didn't came to power because they were elected, but because their seats were needed to form a majority government.

Their leader André Rouvoet has said on a party gathering that the biggest thread for them was not the Islam or Muslim terrorists, but for society to get secular.
He was quite explicit in his explanation where he actually claimed we are currently not at all or maybe a little secular.

That is odd, I was learned that we are a secular nation. ( Which I had already questioned before actually. )

reply to post by SiKFury


Thanks for this.

Originally posted by americandingbat
reply to post by pajoly

 

During this whole controversy over the NY community center/mosque, one thing that I read has frightened me more than any other:

Ironically, we don't have to look far from home to find a significant number of people who want religion as a source of law. In the United States, a 2006 Gallup Poll indicates that a majority of Americans want the Bible as a source of legislation.

* Forty-six percent of Americans say that the Bible should be "a" source, and 9% believe it should be the "only" source of legislation.

source

That is terrifying. No country is immune; I tend to think American's suffer from "it can't happen" here syndrome.

I wonder if they fill the seats using a typical military "mandatory volunteer" system. When I was in the military it seemed that there was something which we always had to attend. One example is the presidential visits where we all had to dress up and attend in force to show our "support " for the commander in chief. Everytime an airshow came to my base I had to volunteer to cook at the squadron food stand. Or how about the time we had to "volunteer" to take home a special olympian and escort them to their special olympics. Or the time I had to volunteer to be in mardi gras parades and other similar things. How about when entertainers would come and I had to get out there pretending to enjoy it. So many more examples, but you all get the idea. Nothing too bad about any of the things I mention, other than I was not given a choice. Everyone had to "volunteer" for this stuff, not just me.

Are they going to force servicepeople into attending these church things now too?