Why the west should fear muslims

Islam is not a peaceful religion, it spreads seperation and hate. Their prophet Mohamed practised peace in Medina when muslims was in a minority, but when he was in majority Islams true warlike face was shown, killing all those that would not become muslims. And throughout history with Islam you will find that muslims are only peaceful while in minority, but suppressive and warlike when muslims are in majority, just like Mohamed before and after Medina. Prove me wrong!

I live in Oslo, Norway. We have lots of problems with muslim immigrants. Official crime statistics over a three year period shows 49 of 49 assault rapes in Oslo was made by a person from a "non-western background" which is basically government code for muslim immigrants. Just yesterday Aftenposten; on of Norway's most respected newspapers, interviewed the police cheif in Oslo where she adviced Norwegian women not to walk the streets alone at night, the police has basically given up combating the problem with crime.

The police in Oslo is hopelessly understaffed, and you basically never see a cop. A couple of weeks ago the Justice Minister walked the streets of Oslo with the Police Chief og Grønland, which is a muslim ghetto, the police cleaned the streets of junkies and criminals and put office clerks in uniforms and commanded all personell (also them on leave) to patrol the streets in the hours when the Justice Minister was there. The whole point of the excersice was to paint a false picture to the Justice Minister, making it seem that the streets of Oslo are safe when they definately are not.

The muslims in Norway are just as hatefull as in Sweden, which has the same problem but in a much worse degree. From a young age they openly call Norwegian women for whores, their own sisters are locked inside the home to protect them from the Norwegian society. The young muslim men often date Norwegian girls, but does not marry them because they are percieved as whores; they are ok to have sex with but to filthy to marry, basically. The keep this image of muslim women purity the muslim use violence and threats to anyone that says otherwise; in a famous incident a Norwegian journalist said jokingly in an article that "muslim girls are just as horny as Norwegian girls", only to get deaththreats from muslims. The muslim girls are not allowed to marry Norwegian men, and are threathened with violence or worse if they still do. There have been may cases where women have been killed by their father, brother, and other close family relations for just dating Norwegian men, and in by doing so having "brought shame on their family". How crazy do you have to be to kill your sister of daughter just for dating someone? Very! To further protect the girls from sex and to "purify them", many muslims cut of the klitoris and vaginal lips of their daughters. There have been many cases in Norway where young muslim girls have come back from "vacation" in Etiopia or another muslim country and have been mauled for life by their own family in this manner. This is cruelty set in order by a religious system.

Muslims in Norway also are not very interested in their kids learning to read or write in Norwegian, making them losers in the educational system from an early age. This is also true for second and third generation immigrants. Across my streets lives the only muslim family in my neighberhood, all the kids (they have like 5 of them with one 1/2 to 2 years between them) talk Arabic and never Norwegian. Their behaviour is also very different than Norwegian kids which play non-violent games and are less vocal and, in lack of a better word, "wild". While Norwegian kids are more quiet and reserved the muslim kids seem to be more violent, usually carrying sticks and shouthing all the time where Norwegian kids are more silent and retracted. When growing up in Oslo I experienced the same violent behaviour with my muslim peers, personally I believe that their whole culture is more based around the "power of the strong", where if you are strong you are percieved to have more power; which the muslims look up to as something good. This is reflected also in their family where violence as a mean to power is the norm, the father is the chief in the family and beats his wife to keep it so, ranked as number two in the typical muslim family is the wife which beats the children to keep the power and respect. It is no wonder that the kids use violence in the schoolyard to empower themselves over their peers. Also, when growing up in Oslo, I frequently heard my muslim peers calling the Norwegian men for pussies and weak since they did not retaliate with the same violence as they did.

The Norwegian government also tries to hide the fact that people from muslim countries have a much lower IQ than people from the West, as independent studies have shown, some examples of average IQ's in western countries:

Norway 98
Sweden 101
United Kingdom 100
France 98
United States 98
Canada 97

And the average IQ of the main muslim countries that immigrants come from:
Ethiopia 63
Iran 84
Iraq 87

Sorce: Wikipedia

These numbers may indicate that many muslim immigrants are just not smart enough to fit in a modern western society, and when they dont fit in their anger and envy turns to the people that welcomed them with open arms. My impression from dealing with immigrants is that they feel Norway owes them something, even though it is *them* that dont fit in. Many muslims dont like Norwegians or the Norwegian rule, but they rarely move back to a muslim country and change citizenship.

When the muslims marry they dont use birth control as it is against their religion, this way they have one kid every 1 1/2 to 2 years. Norwegians usually have only 1-2 kids in their life, and have them late. In 2020 there will be more immigrants in Oslo than Norwegians becuase of this birth rate.

The worst thing is that the socialists, that are the major political forces in Norway, hear these arguments they immidately call you racist or Islamophobe. They also have concealed crime statistcs for years by refucing to publish crime numbers based o origins, once they did it was found that 10% of the population, the immigrants, stood for 90% of the crime and more specifically 100% of assult rapes in Oslo! I personally am against any religion or ideology that spreads seperation and hate, be it Islam or Christian fundamentalism.

I think the world has to understand that some morals are better than others, some ideas work better in a society, some ideas promote peace and understanding and some promote hate and seperation.

So what does all this seperation, segregation, and hate between the West and the muslims lead to? It *will* lead to violence, where the muslims will attempt to take control of government. mark my words, and beware!

You really read all of this? I'm impressed Thanks for your time!



[edit on 15-8-2010 by Acharya]

BS this is all BS... from the IQ to the good 'ol their religion is evil...

Read the Qur'an maybe you'll learn something... It's not a book advocating violence, it's actually a peaceful book... Stop demonizing Islam with your ignorant words. Learn about it directly instead of what you "heard" or "read" from BS sources...

How do you test the IQ of people in war zones and who are poverty stricken where education is not a priority? How do you justify this?

You are forgetting the real people to fear. The American government... They are the ones who have invaded Korea & Vietnam (in the name of preventing communism), most of South America ONLY to put in their own puppet governments. Should I go on???

You are writing like a true Nazi. Oh they are more stupid than us, we waste money on them, and they are taking over everything... Let's get rid of them, yeah! let's kill 'em...

I can't believe I even read your post...

Magnum

Hey

You are a religious bigot and have no purpose here on ATS. The same could be said for any religion.

Deny Ignorance indeed.

Cheers
Shane

Originally posted by Magnum007
BS this is all BS... from the IQ to the good 'ol their religion is evil...

Read the Qur'an maybe you'll learn something... It's not a book advocating violence, it's actually a peaceful book... Stop demonizing Islam with your ignorant words. Learn about it directly instead of what you "heard" or "read" from BS sources...


Magnum

We hear this alot....about the Quran being a book of peace and yet we are constanly confronted with thier insane intoleration and bloody ways.

"will come saying peace peace but there is no peace"

So not only are Muslims evil and violent but they have low IQs as well eh? And yet you think they are out smarting your Goverment and your people. You know if you hate Muslims thats your right but, do not try and validate that hate with false or misrepresented facts.

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Magnum007
BS this is all BS... from the IQ to the good 'ol their religion is evil...

Read the Qur'an maybe you'll learn something... It's not a book advocating violence, it's actually a peaceful book... Stop demonizing Islam with your ignorant words. Learn about it directly instead of what you "heard" or "read" from BS sources...


Magnum

We hear this alot....about the Quran being a book of peace and yet we are constanly confronted with thier insane intoleration and bloody ways.

"will come saying peace peace but there is no peace"

You are the type of person who ignores the majority of people of a certain group and focus on very small group to represent them. Why is that?

Excellent thread!

This conclusion presented in the OP is inevitable. In Sweden the situation is already totally out of control, it is bad in Norway and here in Finland it is getting bad.

It is time to ditch the religions and start to live as human beings guided by moral, not by a "operation manual" aka religious "holy" book.


It has been long known as a fact that there are differences in intelligence between people. Black ones are most physical, least intellectual, asian ones are most intellectual least physical. The rest come in between.

For some peculiar reason it seems that high intellect shield people from going insane and believing blindly in something without any proof (religion)

If you think the Muslim religion is violent, do yourself a favor and open a book. Check out the history of Catholicism and Christianity. The blood that has been drawn by the followers of those religions makes the Muslim religion look like Nirvana.

Originally posted by Acharya
Islam is not a peaceful religion, it spreads seperation and hate. (snip) Prove me wrong!
[edit on 15-8-2010 by Acharya]

No, you are the one casting the stone - so the impetus is on YOU to provide facts, not your opinion, to support your argument

Originally posted by Acharya
I live in Oslo, Norway. We have lots of problems with muslim immigrants. Official crime statistics over a three year period shows 49 of 49 assault rapes in Oslo was made by a person from a "non-western background" which is basically government code for muslim immigrants.

A link to your government source is called for - otherwise I am going to assume that you're, you know, lying. I didn't know that Norway kept crime statistics based on creed.

Originally posted by Acharya
From a young age they openly call Norwegian women for whores, their own sisters are locked inside the home to protect them from the Norwegian society. The young muslim men often date Norwegian girls, but does not marry them because they are percieved as whores; they are ok to have sex with but to filthy to marry, basically.

I've yet to read anything other than racist hatemongering. All this is according to YOU and your perspective. FYI - your perspective appears to be somewhat tilted.

Originally posted by Acharya
The Norwegian government also tries to hide the fact that people from muslim countries have a much lower IQ than people from the West, as independent studies have shown... (snip)

These numbers may indicate that many muslim immigrants are just not smart enough to fit in a modern western society, and when they dont fit in their anger and envy turns to the people that welcomed them with open arms.

IQ is measured via a test - have you ever taken an IQ test? Do you think that education standards are high in ETHIOPIA? Seems to me that they'd have bigger fish to fry than learning about how to properly graph a sentence. Things like staying alive may trump learning about an isosceles triangle.

Furthermore, an IQ test is largely a useless measure as even to this day, what it actually measures is open to debate among scientists.
Here - read this. It is an honest look at the issues with "IQ Tests"

*SNIP*

Your post is nothing but hate, elitism, racism, bigotry, and ignorance - wrapped up nice and neatly in a cloak of fear.

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reply to post by Acharya

Islam is not a peaceful religion, it spreads seperation and hate.

No. YOU are the one spreading separation and hate. Sorry to be blunt but that is the truth.

I am sorry to hear about your crime problems in Norway, but like the recent thread about Sweden I suspect the situation is grossly exaggerated.

I like in Copenhagen Denmark where we also have a large Muslim population.
And yes, there are problems and it is a controversial issue, this is inevitable when you have a meeting of two very different cultures.

But the ones causing problem ARE a minority. The vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace and be functioning members of society.

The media and politicians are basically the ones amping up the fear & hype. It's what media and politicians do. The sooner people learn this, the better.

[edit on 15-8-2010 by MrVertigo]

Originally posted by Magnum007
BS this is all BS... from the IQ to the good 'ol their religion is evil...

Read the Qur'an maybe you'll learn something... It's not a book advocating violence, it's actually a peaceful book... Stop demonizing Islam with your ignorant words. Learn about it directly instead of what you "heard" or "read" from BS sources...

Why do you say I have not read the Quran? Some quotes from the Quran that advocates seperation, violence, and war:

2.191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

2.216. Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.


2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of God, but do not transgress, for God does not love transgressors.

2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.

2.192. Then if they desist, know well that God is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.

2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by God prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.

2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear God and remain conscious that God is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.

3.151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

4.74. Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).

4.76. Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

4.101. When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.

5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8.17. It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah. when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah's: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself: for Allah is He Who heareth and knoweth (all things).

, and *lots* more passages like 2.190, 2.192 etc. etc... This is *not* a peaceful religion, but Islam promotes seperation and violence. Also, to quote another "holy book" I have read; "Each tree is judged by its fruit", when in the entire history of Islam has it been peaceful when in majority?

Originally posted by Magnum007
How do you test the IQ of people in war zones and who are poverty stricken where education is not a priority? How do you justify this?

I'm pretty sure the people that took the IQ tests where not in combat at that moment.

Originally posted by Magnum007
You are forgetting the real people to fear. The American government... They are the ones who have invaded Korea & Vietnam (in the name of preventing communism), most of South America ONLY to put in their own puppet governments. Should I go on???

This is the only thing I agree with you on. The US is increasingly imperialistic, and greater immidiate danger to world stability than muslims. But I cannot disregard one problem because of a larger more pressing one.

Originally posted by Magnum007
You are writing like a true Nazi. Oh they are more stupid than us, we waste money on them, and they are taking over everything... Let's get rid of them, yeah! let's kill 'em...

I can't believe I even read your post...

Magnum

To comfort you, I am not a Nazi; which bore an even greater hatrate towards jews than the muslims do. Killing muslims is an inhumane option, I would rather see the end of immigration. Responing with violense is never a good idea.

Originally posted by Acharya

Why do you say I have not read the Quran?

Some quotes from the Quran that advocates seperation, violence, and war:

You really don't want to start on this track. I can tit-for-tat you with Bible verses that eclipse those from the Qur'an.

Originally posted by shamus78
Hey

You are a religious bigot and have no purpose here on ATS.

I believe in freedom of speech. Personally, I do not follow any religious ideology.

Originally posted by shamus78
The same could be said for any religion.

That is nearly correct, Shane. All major religions promote seperation of some sort, except Buddhism. I only focus at a pressing matter, the muslim immigrants, if the situation where the same with christian fundamentalist immigrants I would still write about it.



[edit on 15-8-2010 by Acharya]

I'm far far more scared of small minded idiots with keyboards and mouths to be honest.

I completely understand that you have a *right* to say what you've just said, but I'd argue that it's so distasteful and wrong that I have a right to call you a small-minded idiot who really really needs to have a long think and a good look in the mirror.

I'm sure I'm breaking decorum rules or something, but come on... you can't be being serious surely? Have you even glanced at the Qur'an?

I thought this place was for denying ignorance, not spreading it like BS on a field.

Originally posted by MrSpad
So not only are Muslims evil and violent but they have low IQs as well eh? And yet you think they are out smarting your Goverment and your people.

I dont believe in a muslim conspiracy to take over the world, but I think that the situation with muslim immigrants in Europe today is non-sustainable and must be addressed to urgently by the governments.

Originally posted by MrSpad
You know if you hate Muslims thats your right but, do not try and validate that hate with false or misrepresented facts.

If you show me any false or misrepresented facts that I have written about then I will document it further.

Originally posted by MrSpad

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Magnum007
BS this is all BS... from the IQ to the good 'ol their religion is evil...

Read the Qur'an maybe you'll learn something... It's not a book advocating violence, it's actually a peaceful book... Stop demonizing Islam with your ignorant words. Learn about it directly instead of what you "heard" or "read" from BS sources...


Magnum

We hear this alot....about the Quran being a book of peace and yet we are constanly confronted with thier insane intoleration and bloody ways.

"will come saying peace peace but there is no peace"

You are the type of person who ignores the majority of people of a certain group and focus on very small group to represent them. Why is that?

Do we and must we have a 101 conversation?

Why dont you address that issue then rather than trying to draw focas on peace. Tell us why islam is represented by nut jobs and bloody lovers of death so much? Why is a Muslim fudy about the most dreaded thing on earth today and why cant the rest of Isalm control them?

What major philosophical contibutions has Islam made to the benifit to the rest of the world? Why are folks in full fight away from the traditional lands of Islam? Why just about every where they are found in the old world do the support tyrants, practice slavery, blow each other up on a regular basis, suppress, kill peacefull leaders and are given to riotous civil unrest on a regular basis?

First off your going to get flamed to death for posting bad things about Islam must not upset the minorites remember.

I do think you are right with the outcome though as soon as Muslims become the majority then the first thing that will happen is a change in law. You will see non muslims persucuted in the law and that will then lead to violence. Mostly it will be non muslims getting killed.

If Islam is such a peacefull religion show me a country run as an Islamic state that any single one of you would move to as a non Muslim.

Heres a list

They are pretty much all hell holes of varrying degrees.

I really find it hard to beleive why people are so ignorant of Islam it is not a religion of peace it is a religion for control and subjigation on an immense level, Islam comes down to do or die.

Sadly the danger will not be seen for what it is until its far to late unless of course Islam starts to actually grow as a religion like christianity. The bible is full of kill the un-beleiver but when was the last time you heard of a christian bloke chopping someones head off for being an infidel.

My Muslim friends were born in the US and in Canada.

How does that relate to Muslim IQs according to your chart?

I get sick of asking this but let me try in this thread -

I am a Satanist. Why do my Muslim friends not try to kill me?

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae
My Muslim friends were born in the US and in Canada.

How does that relate to Muslim IQs according to your chart?

I get sick of asking this but let me try in this thread -

I am a Satanist. Why do my Muslim friends not try to kill me?

Because they are not in the majority and you don't live in an Islamic state. Care to go and practice Satanisium in Saudi Arabia?

Fear and ignorance are inseparable.

The west should have no more fear of Muslims than it does any other ethnic group or culture, race etc.

There are agenda driven elements within western government powers who want to demonize "Muslims" to achieve objectives and goals in the Middle East. Likewise there are radical Muslim sects who want to war with the west, as they wish to engage in a "holy war"

Neither should be allowed to spread such ignorance, everyone needs to step back and realize that there are hundreds of MILLIONS of Muslims all around them, and the vast majority are peaceful productive members of society, many of which despise the inaccurate assumptions and portrayals of their faith.

Fear the governments, fear the radicals, the extremists and agendas.

Most of all, fear those in positions of power and control over media and information.

Parody:

Why the west should fear Christians

Christianity is not a peaceful religion, it spreads separation and hate. Their prophet John practiced peace in Israel when Christians was in a minority, but when they were in majority Christianity's true warlike face was shown, killing all those that would not become Christians. And throughout history with Christianity you will find that Christians are only peaceful while in minority, but suppressive and warlike when Christians are in majority, just like John before and after Israel. Prove me wrong!


See how easy it is?



[edit on 15-8-2010 by Fractured.Facade]

reply to post by Acharya

2.190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of God, but do not transgress, for God does not love transgressors.
2.191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers. 2.192. Then if they desist, know well that God is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.
2.193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by God prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.
2.194. The sacred month for the sacred month; sanctities should be respected alike ( by all concerned). Thus, if someone has attacked you, attack him just as he attacked you, and fear God and remain conscious that God is with those who guard against violating the bounds set by Him.

This is about self defense. Nothing to do with warmongering... The first part even talks about not transgressing... Not going overboard.. It describes how not to continue the fight when the enemy gives up "Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends"... It even says to stop when they desist.

Should I go on? The problem with your quotes is that you only take the parts that suit your argument... You need to take the paragraphs before and after and read it completely... The media does this all the time... Interviewee says :

"I believe that the answer is not necessarily to kill them all but to save them from evil"
News source says:
"So and so says that they should kill them all because they are evil"

Is your IQ level high enough to understand?

Magnum