Alien evidence on a Sarcophagus Proof!!

Hmm, how interesting!

I have a great interest in the Alien Astronaut Theory, and I do believe this relates to that subject! I have seen the image many times before, and it is always very cool.

I do not think, however, a single ancient piece of art could be considered proof of anything, other than the ancients that created it. I would need a bit more more information to consider it true.

However, as you sate, it is in your own opinion you find this proof, and that is perfectly acceptable.

About the image itself. In my opinion, it does look like it is some type of complex machine! If anyone has any other information about it, or other claims supporting an 'ancient astronaut', I would be very interested in hearing about it!

Thank you for the thread.

King regards

well first I'll say that without a doubt this is one of the most beautiful objects ever created by man. I never get tired of looking at it or thinking about it

so thanks for the beautiful images

as to whether or not he's in a spacecraft? Well I'm like you I'm leaning toward spacecraft. My current opinion is he never flew a spacecraft but lore that that is how Kings travel to the after life prompted the creation of this beautiful thing.

The mythology of the Mayans suggest that the Aliens? had left these people to their own devices long prior to this ,so they are enacting a cargo cult type of thing here

it's very poignant,actually

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Well, in response to your statement:

"I do not think, however, a single ancient piece of art could be considered proof
of anything, other than the ancients that created it. I would need a bit more
more information to consider it true.
However, as you sate, it is in your own opinion you find this proof, and that is
perfectly acceptable."

...I did mention mentioned in the thread, Research. that I took an imediate interest...and did lots of research.....but @ the end of the day, it was the picture that sold me..............glad people are interested in such a unresearched and underappreciated Theory.

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Oh yes. Thanks, but I'm well aware of the Dogon and the Annunaki and find their stories fascinating. I wish more Native Americans were alive to share their ancient origin stories as well. That picture is just a favorite of mine because I've never heard a better or rational explanation for the Sarcophagus cover.

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I agree that's a wonderful piece ... they show it on the ancient aliens video below ... great post btw

starting @ 7mins 5 seconds

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdQEnlP5Mk8]--> Video Link

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Silliness has to be challenged. Below I throw down my gauntlet.

Wikipedia: Pacal's sarcophagus lid
The large carved stone sarcophagus lid in the Temple of Inscriptions is a famous piece of Classic Maya art. The widely accepted interpretation of the sarcophagus lid is that Pakal is descending into Xibalba, the Maya underworld. Around the edges of the lid are glyphs representing the Sun, the Moon, Venus, and various constellations, locating this event in the nighttime sky. Below him is the Maya water god, who guards the underworld [4]. Beneath Pakal are the "unfolded" jaws of a dragon or serpent, which Pakal is escaping from, ascending towards the world tree. This is a common iconographic representation of the entrance to the underworld. Other examples of this imagery are found in sculpture on Monument 1 "El Rey" and Monument 9 at the Olmec site of Chalcatzingo, Morelos, on Altar 4 at the Olmec site of La Venta, Tabasco, and in recently discovered murals at the Late Preclassic Maya site of San Bartolo, Guatemala.[citation needed]
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Von Däniken's claim is not considered a credible interpretation by any professional Mayanist. For example Ian Graham responded, "Well I certainly don't see any need to regard him as a space man. I don't see any oxygen tubes. I see a very characteristically drawn Maya face"[3]
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The scene depicted on the sarcophagus' lapidary stone represents the instant of Pakal's death and his fall to the Underworld. A strip of heaven (skyband) frames the entire scene with kin (day or the sun) in the upper right or northeast corner and akbaal (night or darkness) on the far left or northwest corner. The movement of the sun from east to west represents Pakal's journey from life into death. Symbols fill the background of this scene—shells, jade beads, signs of plenty, and others—carried on spirals of blood. The open mouth of the Xibalba, the Underworld, is carved on the bottom of the stone. Two dragon skeletons, united at the lower jaw, make up a U-shaped container that represents the entrance. The dragons' lips are curved inward, as though closing over Pakal's falling body. There, inside the Underworld at the center of the Universe, stands the Tree of the World with a Celestial Bird—symbol of the kingdom of heaven—poised on its highest branch.

The Tree of the World is specially marked as a sacred object: the symbols for te or "tree" confirm it is a cottonwood. The symbols for nen or "mirror" indicate that the tree is a shining and powerful being. The enormous figure of God C—symbol of blood and that which is holy—is inserted in the base of the trunk and is linked with Pakal's body. The tips of the tree's branches are shaped like the bowls used to catch sacrificial blood. Jade beads and tubes surround the square-nostriled dragons that are born from these vessels, indicating that they are especially sacred. These jewel-covered monsters are depicted in deliberate contrast to the skeletal dragons below them. Te first represent the heavens, the most sacred of the three levels of the Maya cosmos; the second illustrate the world of death into which Pakal falls.

A two-headed serpent bar—the Maya symbol of royalty—is wrapped around branches of the Tree of the World. The body is made of jade segments, again conferring special value on the serpent. The heads on each end of the bar correspond, piece by piece, to the skeletal dragons at the opening to the Underworld. Whereas the Underworld is like a skeleton, Earth, represented by the serpent, has flesh.

During his fall from the Tree of the World, Pakal is seated upon the Monster of the Sun. The monster is aptly represented in its state of transition between life and death: a skeleton from the mouth down, with eyes that have the dilated pupils of living beings. The sun enters into this state of transition at dawn and at dusk. Here, however, the emblem of the Monster of the Sun contains the cimi or sign of death, emphasizing imagery representing the "death of the sun" or sunset, with the sun located on the horizon, ready to sink into the Underworld . . . and take the dead king with it.

Pakal appears to be tumbling at an angle on the head of the Monster of the Sun, also a symbol of his transition from life into death. His loincloth and his heavy jade collar (both the front and back are depicted on the stone) seem to be floating away from his body. His knees are flexed, his hands relaxed. His face is calm because he expects to defeat death. A bone piercing Pakal's nose symbolizes that even death carries in it the seed of rebirth. In the Maya dialects, "bone" and "large seed" are synonymous. Thus, the bone is the seed of Pakal's resurrection.

In the end, Pakal falls as a deity with the smoking knife of God K embedded in his forehead. He was a god in life, and a god when falling into death.


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Beautiful artwork on the sarcophagus, and I'll admit it does appear to be a little more advanced than one would think you would find in something this old.

Thank you for the find!

- Fry

I remember a movie that was in the theaters back in the 70's called Chariots of the GODS, that has that image in the movie, very interesting then they took it away and you didn't hear too much about it after that. Here's a link to that movie, enjoy.



Video Link : video.google.com...#

Originally posted by ShadowRamesses
I remember a movie that was in the theaters back in the 70's called Chariots of the GODS, that has that image in the movie, very interesting then they took it away and you didn't hear too much about it after that. Here's a link to that movie, enjoy.
Video Link : video.google.com...#

ShadowRamesses.....

Aaaahhhhh.....

Von Daniken.....

Did you read all his books?

I did.

He ran right off the rails.....& it didn't take him very long.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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amazing yes. proof of ancient astronauts? i wish. too bad they didn't find a 54" plasma LCD flatscreen in the box. now THAT would be somethin.

it seriously could be anything. a telescope, an optometry device. possibly a sex machine of some sort. maybe the controls to a torture chamber. it's really hard to say.

maybe if you could find proof that the man that was buried in this was really interested in space travel and he also liked to keep secrets. that wuold lend credibility to the idea.

sadly, unless they find a factory capable of making devices like these it's just gonna remain a mystery i suppose. unless there's some way of drawing more meaning out of those symbols and maybe they tell a story. who knows.

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It looks like human sacrifice to me, a man on an altar waiting for the High Priest to come and cut out his heart.

I have a huge collection of books on the subject and would love to share the information with you.

Unfortunately, all the books are in french, and they were written from 1963 to 1975, also I didn't find any of the pictures in those books anywhere on the internet.

What I wanted to share with you is a mexican drawing at Monte Alban, the olmecs drew this, clearly representing a spaceship.

If you want to find the books I was talking about, you will want to look for these authors:Robert Charroux, Erich Von Daniken, Ivar Lissner, Robert Hennig, etc..

These are the most interesting ones.

well,

"Proof" of aliens?
I'm not soo sure...

I am already sure Aliens exist, there is enough evidence that proof is really not even required to know the truth.

However~
what I feel might be more of what the image is saying..
goes along with a comment by another ATS member~ from another post.
which is...

"Look how far we've come in 200 years, The Mayans were around for what? 1,500 years? Who is to say they didn't figure out how to go to the moon? An advanced civilization Thousands or Even millions of years ahead of us would have no problem warping through space. We are just babies after all." CoachSlamYou~ ATS member

I think this is why they (or most of them) "disappeared"..
Because they mastered space travel (via 'aliens' help or not)..

And I think many of the truly "alien craft" we see in the skies today..
may very well be them.

I am also pretty sure they got to the moon.

Nope, no tinfoil hat. lol

I looked at it for a long time. I do see the typical aztec,tronaute but also , i see a lt more.

Look at the top, there is a being shown that send a beam. Also, a lot of repitition of 3 dots to fill blanks. Plus the outer writings, did any aZtec expert ever translated it?

Im not sure what to make of it. I like it, it's one heck of a artwork that's for sure. As for "the breathing apparatus, rocket exaust etc" .. well it look like it from one angle but, also, one the same idea, not all pyramids are made to hold kings momies.

Nice outlay for a thread, and very nice work.

The seach button on ATS is your friend. Use it, and abuse to your benefit, in future.

Got any new material?

Originally posted by cripmeister
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It looks like human sacrifice to me, a man on an altar waiting for the High Priest to come and cut out his heart.

Cripmeister.....

"Listen mate.....you're not going to space! We're gonna cut out your heart instead!"

Massive downer!!!

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Since we werent alive then, didnt speak their language, or know their culture, you can ahrdly say its a spaceship... you base that off of your modern day idea of what a spaceship is and apply it to a centuries old pictograph... I am sure like every culture they use symbols to represent complex ideas... what is a launch pad to you may be a platform representing the earth or..?


If like you claim you are a 'staunch atheist and alien believer' then no one can take seriously what you say, because it completely biases you to a predetermined conclusion any time you interpret something... if you believe aliens exist you (as a normal human being) deliberately (and may be subconsciously) search out confirming evidence in your favour... its human nature. The only intelligent stance is agnosticism, otherwise you will never find truth, only what you want to hear.


What did you mean 'does it matter?' that hes going down to hell not up? Of course it matters! If hes going down to hell its most likely allegorical and not literal spaceship, why would he need a ship to fly down to hell?


Of course it works both ways, if it is a ship of some kind, it would be fascinating. But what proves aliens made it anyway? You said your self at least we have to admit we know very little about their ancient history, so we couldnt possibly know they didnt have some kind of machinery at some point. No proof of aliens whatsoever, and without other evidences it would not hold up on its own...

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I have not read any of his books but he is one of the top guys if not the top.
I have watched documentaries he is in besides Chariots. He speaks with I believe a German accent. some of his discoveries are pretty amazing too.