New Arizona law against illegals : no automatic citizenship for children born of illegals

A lot of people talked about this problem for DECADES... now Arizona will do something about it...

It is common knowledge that a lot of people from other countries get pregnant in other countries, then at 8-9 months pregnancy, they take a plane to the US or come in by the border, and give birth in the US.

That way their kid becomes a US citizen and then the whole family can come in the country.

This is not just about ``hispanics``... a lot of countries do that, I've read a lot of people from SOUTH KOREA do that...

Anyway here it is.

Immigration Enforcement Debate May Not Stop With SB 1070

Pearce, R-Mesa, the author of Arizona’s immigration law, has been writing to some of his constituents about what he plans to accomplish next.

In e-mails obtained by CBS 5 News, Pearce said he intends to push for a bill that would enable Arizona to no longer grant citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants born on U.S. soil.

Pearce wrote in one e-mail: "I also intend to push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen."

IMO this is awesome.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by Vitchilo]

DAMN good job AZ !!!!
Maybe you folks need to run the country
instead. Fine piece of legislation.

I guess now they will be checking
Birth Certificates in Maternity Wards ????

I'm still waiting on the trolls to show
up calling this racist. lol

I hope it does pass
it's got my vote


[edit on 28-5-2010 by boondock-saint]

Georgia tried the same thing a while back:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Apparently, nothing ever came of it. Or at least nothing that I've heard about.


TheAssoc.

oh . . . so . . . we are not granting citizenship to the newborns of non-citizen criminals.

makes sense to me.

good.



[edit on 5/28/2010 by JPhish]

When did we get rid of section 1 of the 14th amendment?

Originally posted by broahes
When did we get rid of section 1 of the 14th amendment?

Thing is...the 14th amendment was never ratified by Arizona... so there ya go.

But still it probably won't fly since this is a federal matter...

[edit on 28-5-2010 by Vitchilo]

reply to post by Vitchilo


Amendments have to be ratified by 3 quarters of the states to pass.. the 14th amendment was ratified by the needed number, so it did indeed become an amendment for all of the states.

Are you saying if say Georgia wouldn't have ratified the 13th amendment that it would be ok to practice slavery in my state?

Edit to say, I see what you added, and I agree with it. I also see the lol icon and that your comment was meant to be a joke, sorry for my seriousness.

I agree that something needs to be done about illegal immigration, but I don't agree that states should be able to override the constitution to be able to do so..

Either way, I am an anarchist and often wonder why I find myself responding on threads about legal authority that I don't agree with in the first place.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by broahes]

Originally posted by broahes
When did we get rid of section 1 of the 14th amendment?

about the same time they got rid of the
existing immigration laws that NOW says
it's fine to come to this country
without permission

Originally posted by Vitchilo
But still it probably won't fly since this is a federal matter...

since when has that stopped AZ??
At least it didn't stop 1070

Originally posted by boondock-saint

Originally posted by broahes
When did we get rid of section 1 of the 14th amendment?

about the same time they got rid of the
existing immigration laws that NOW says
it's fine to come to this country
without permission

I would figure such a response would be in order..



Peace.

I would love this But, they can't do it because of the 14 amendment of the Constitution, unless there is a new amendment that supersedes the 14th.

en.wikipedia.org...

Just saw the post above.. I do not believe each state must ratify each amendment for it to become federal law... you have a separation of the federal US constitution and Arizona's own state constitution.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by JohnPhoenix]

The only way for Arizona to pass and apply this law legally is for them to secede...

Now that's a whole another type of game... So either they put up or they shut up... this is probably just a political move...and nothing else.

If they go for secession, I'll be impressed.

reply to post by Vitchilo


this we can all agree on.

While there may be problems attendant with this clause of the constitution,

Um, Arizona, it IS the constitution.

In their fervor [desperation?] they are going past the bounds.

[edit on 28-5-2010 by slank]

Seeing how citizenship is applied and given by the federal gov't this is nothing more than grand-standing. I agree with the bill, but they must really think anger and desperation will override common sense.

Exciting time to be a citizen of Arizona!! heh heh. Honestly, I have no idea how this is going to fly.. probably won't. Although this steps around the constitution in a lot of people's minds, its addressing a very real problem without many other solutions. We really need to remove the incentive for coming here illegally and reaping the benefits. Like some others have said.. still no real pressure being put on the employers of illegal aliens. I think this is mostly due to the fact that its much harder to track illegals getting "off the book" work, than illegals getting US birth certificates for their children born here.

Interesting to see what will come of this.

Just a politician playing the game of "I am more bigoted than my rivals" to keep his base support.

14th Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Of course this came after the Civil War in an attempt to protect former slaves and their children. Mexicans are, in essence, our slaves of the modern era.

reply to post by Grumble


Care to prove any bigotry, or would you prefer to just stay ignorant and throw around charges of racism?

reply to post by Grumble


I fail to see how this makes one a bigot.....perhaps you could enlighten me. How is keeping the foriegn hoarde at bay bigotry?

Of course, we're all racist here in AZ.. ROFL. This is a solution to a REAL problem. Sure, its not pretty, might seem un-American to some.. but how many people will you honestly let onto a sinking ship?

Immigration by the Numbers 1

Immigration by the Numbers 2

There is simply no way we can continue the status quo in this country. People will be called bigots, racists, un-American.. but in the end.. we need solutions, NOT fighting over racial issues that have no bearing on the actual problem at hand.