98 ATS members and Counting...Australia "Out of Place"

reply to post by badw0lf


Dude you havent proven anything.

Show the "faulty" maps that all these 100 + people learned on to get the exact SAME idea of where they thought Australia was. It's not like they all thought it was in different places. They all clearly remember it in the SAME way. You say it's faulty memory or bad education so SHOW the evidence for your theory.

Originally posted by Snowi

Originally posted by badw0lf

Originally posted by Snowi
of course it can...some of my view's are probably different projections of world maps, but i know for a FACT that Australia are NOT a projection fault.

The same goes for Sicilia, North Africa and South America.

If it is a FACT then you have factual evidence to prove it.

Supply?

I is sad that you and others...."just don't get it"

No facts then, so not FACT. Got it. Oh wait, I don't get it. Sorry, I'm confused. Are you going to prove it or not?

Australia and NZ have never changed positions on the maps any of us have looked at to the degree you claim.

Agree? If not, Prove it.

Originally posted by Puresilence
reply to post by badw0lf

 

Dude you havent proven anything.

Show the "faulty" maps that all these 100 + people learned on to get the exact SAME idea of where they thought Australia was. It's not like they all thought it was in different places. They all clearly remember it in the SAME way. You say it's faulty memory or bad education so SHOW the evidence for your theory.

I don't have to prove anything because I rely on FACT, not mindless made up fiction.

Prove to me your claims. Otherwise, you are just perpetuating a lie, and catching other people who have no clue in your spin. Good job.

Oh and 1 + 1 still = 5. I can't prove it, but I just know it's true......

And just to elaborate, why did the OP supply 5 various versions of maps that these '98' people believe if they all believe the same thing?

No, your memories and perceptions are accurate. You are right, the other 6billion people are wrong.

Got it.

reply to post by badw0lf


Is this what you do? This is how you prove a point? You take a quote and "fix" it by changing the words?

Is this how you operate in the world? Lie, cheat, steal?

Go bark somewhere else, little pup.

I'm not adding to this lunacy anymore. The thread is long enough and has far more attention than it should have received.

Must be pretty crazy living in such a mad mind tho....



crikey...

Originally posted by badw0lf

Originally posted by Snowi

Originally posted by badw0lf

Originally posted by Snowi
of course it can...some of my view's are probably different projections of world maps, but i know for a FACT that Australia are NOT a projection fault.

The same goes for Sicilia, North Africa and South America.

If it is a FACT then you have factual evidence to prove it.

Supply?

I is sad that you and others...."just don't get it"

No facts then, so not FACT. Got it. Oh wait, I don't get it. Sorry, I'm confused. Are you going to prove it or not?

Australia and NZ have never changed positions on the maps any of us have looked at to the degree you claim.

Agree? If not, Prove it.

English is NOT my language...so excuse me if i didn't write properly...I should have used the words "I'M SURE"...satisfied...!!!

What if YOU where to write in someone else's language...it's not so easy, but i CAN write in Norwegian..hvis du syns dette språket er lettere for deg å forstå så kan jeg gjerne forstette med å skrive Norsk.

Of course WE can't prove it...how could WE..., but just TRY to prove US wrong...you can't...WE have the same memories....You don't...Get it...???

OMG! You must be right! I think Alaska went through a similar shift too!

I just checked a map and found Alaska right beside Hawaii and both of us right beside the coast of California!!

I ran outside to see if I could view the Golden Gate Bridge but I couldn't! So maybe there's also some kind of reality-warping field preventing us from actually knowing we could practically swim there!


...Or it's just the fact that maps and atlases have shown inconsistent printing before, or often times, deliberately misrepresentation of a landmass to simply the viewing or fit the landmass into a certain space.

Unless you all live there, and have done specific, scientific testing, even if it's just a GPS reading from the -exact- same spot every day for a year or so, I highly doubt anythings happened.

lets see if anything has changed shall we?

1852
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1942
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/abe8b1aa0689.jpg[/atsimg]

1952
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/aeb9ae29c6ce.jpg[/atsimg]

and 2010
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e2787b95d362.jpg[/atsimg]

Nope, nothing has changed.
Can we just bury this horse now?.



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reply to post by badw0lf


I feel bad for the other threads that you are going to go spread your anger to.

I will take all your points into consideration. Thank you for all the contributions and keeping this thread up at the top lol.

reply to post by Ruler Of The Universe


Lol. Nice maps.

All from the same timeline.

Hmmm no dice.

Originally posted by Snowi

7. England has moved south and is now very close to France

I have to say wow just WOW!


You are aware that the shortest distance between England and France is 21 miles? People swim it quite often for charity.

Although Im sure I remember a teacher at school telling me it was 27 miles

I think what we are seeing here is just how much the world is based on each person's perception of it. For some reason a number of people perceived the maps and possibly the actual location of Australia to be different. The interesting thing is that they all perceived it to be in the same location.

The real question is: what is causing, or what has caused these people to have the very same perception of the world, which is apparently different than the "reality" we are now experiencing?

Finding the "faulty" maps that have contributed to this exact same "false" perception is a great idea but I somehow doubt it will be found. The fact that all these people are from different geographic locations rules out the idea of faulty textbooks from school or faulty maps. Unless all the people happen to go to schools across the globe that use the exact same maps/books.

It is true that different maps have different projections of the world and could lead to slight confusions and misinterpretations but the fact remains that these people remember Australia the exact same way.

Could it be a merged timeline? Maybe.

Could it be that there is a small pocket in the collective consciousness of humanity that perceived the world differently and is now finding itself merged with the rest of the collective that sees it differently? Also maybe.

Could it be faulty maps or bad education, etc? Maybe.

OR maybe it's all of the above.

Originally posted by Puresilence
reply to post by Ruler Of The Universe

 

Lol. Nice maps.

All from the same timeline.

Hmmm no dice.

Ok let me take a whack at ths horse as well.

So because the timeline (for 98 of you) has changed in 2010 it also canged everything that happened before? in the past? gee I thought it would only change everything in the future from the point the "change" was made.
Why would a change in the timeline made in 2010 change the past? the change would have to have been made prior to 1852 (the oldest map in my post) to change everything forward from then, but if that happened you wouldn't "remember" the change because you were born after the "change".
clear enough I hope?

[edit on 28-4-2010 by Ruler Of The Universe]

reply to post by Snowi


Is it not possible that peoples memories are all slightly different? It's like if i stuck a pin in a white board and asked everynoe to remember where it was i bet i'd get slghtly different answrs each time.

Or could it also be that most people are used to seeing flat maps and flat maps are always slightly wrong. I remember in school seeing two maps which were slightly different. Each map was trying to accurately show a round world on a flat piece of paper. Differences are bound to occur.

reply to post by Puresilence

Or maybe its a case of Groupthink ?

Pronunciation: \ˈgrüp-ˌthiŋk\
Function: noun
Etymology: 1group + -think (as in doublethink)
Date: 1952
: a pattern of thought characterized by self-deception, forced manufacture of consent, and conformity to group values and ethics

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Originally posted by Horus12

Originally posted by Snowi

7. England has moved south and is now very close to France

I have to say wow just WOW!


You are aware that the shortest distance between England and France is 21 miles? People swim it quite often for charity.

Although Im sure I remember a teacher at school telling me it was 27 miles

You hit the sacred spot....People swim it quite often for charity

In MY Timeline just 1 or 2 people had ever swam across the channel, because of the distance...and now can almost an average swimmer cross the channel.

Thanks for some info WE could use.

Hi all,
I'm one of the 98 who says NZ and Australia were somewhere else on the map. And all those saying NZ and Australia didn't move are right. It is us, the 98, plus a great deal of people around us who have shifted.

Maybe we are 144 000??? Anyway...

For us, not only do we see that maps don't fit our memories, there is also one person around us who has significantly changed since the beginning of this story; my father in law.
He was a mean man. The kind of SOB you can only dream up in a movie. Always saying to his wife in front of everybody to shut up because she was stupid. No one could talk during family reunions except him and his son. All others were stupid cows. And, most of all, he has always ignored our children, never wishing them a happy birthday since there birth.
He even used to say, when someone was hurt that "great pains are silent!" Even to my baby girl who was crying when she got a 3rd degree burn on her hand...
Now, he is happy to see everybody. He's charming, kind, offering. He even has fun with the kids. He even has discussions with me now. And he wasn't talking to me because 10 years ago, in answer to an insult, I told him his brain was made of sh...t. Now we can talk about everything! Just like that...

And recently, while on a trip, we noticed on the road 2 exits to towns we had never heard before... And I've circulated on that road for 40 years, so...
To the 98, you think it more probable that we shifted by reflex, were involuntary subject of an experiment, or are we chosen for a yet, unknown destination?
Oh. And recently, we heard the news that the Pope was celebrating his 5th year of papacy... From whence we come, Benedict XVI has only been a pope for the last two and a half years.

C is definitely not the map WE have been shown since our birth.

Aresh

reply to post by Snowi


I really don't think anything has changed...Australia has always been up near PNG...I live in Australia, and I remember learning in school about a theory where the aboriginals got to Australia down through Indonesia and PNG when they were all closer together...I think that was it anyway...and it's shape hasn't changed...if I can say anything seems different, it would have to be that NZ seems lower and slightly further away from Australia...and Australia may be slightly high...I can't remember it being THAT close to PNG to be honest...but I'm probably wrong, and so is everyone else on this thread...it's most likely just 98 (or how ever many it is now) different people with a bad memory...

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Note he swam in zig zag course!

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When thinking about swimming feats, the English channel swim always comes first to mind. At its shortest point, the distance between the English and French coastlines is only 22 miles, but a combination of cold and strong currents mean that only 10% of people who attempt this feat actually make it to the other side.

The first channel attempt was by J.B Johnson, who had to pull out after just over an hour. Three years later, Paul Boyton made it to the other side using a special prototype buoyancy suit. However the first unaided swim went to Captain Matthew Webb, who swam from Dover to Calais in 21 hours and 45 minutes on his second attempt.

Curiously, after this success it was to be 35 years before another was registered, although there were plenty of attempts. One man, Jabez Wolffe tried and failed on no less than 22 occasions, four of them by less than a mile! Thomas Burgess had better success, becoming the second man to swim the channel on is 13th attempt.

The first man to swim in the reverse direction from France to England was Enrico Tiraboschi in 1923 - nowadays France-England is recognised as the 'easy' route because of favourable tides. In 1926 Gertrude Ederle became the first woman to complete the distance.

The popularity of channel swimming reached new heights with the staging of a cross-Channel race in 1950; 20 entrants took part in the inaugural race, 9 of whom finished. In 1972, 15-year old Lynne Cox became the youngest person to swim the channel, breaking the men's and women's speed records in the process, and in 1988 Thomas Gregory swum the channel aged just 11.

To date, over 1200 people have completed this challenge since the first success more than 130 years ago. The team with the record for the most swims is the Sri Chinmoy Marathon Team with now almost forty swims completed by its members. The current speed record is held by Christof Wandratsch in a staggering time of 7 hours and 3 minutes. However, the undisputed channel crossing champion is Alison Streeter, who originally hails from Dover and has crossed the channel 43 times, in addition to setting the first three-way channel crossing - a return journey to Dover and then back to France again! The popularity of Channel swimming is now such that hopeful swimmers must go on a waiting list to secure a boat crew to escort them across.


So basically what you're saying is because of your lack of knowledge about a subject, then there has to be a timeline shift. I mean you couldnt possibley just be wrong, could you?

Jeez get over yourself man.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by Horus12]