Human torpedos used for ship strike

Human torpedos used for ship strike

uk.news.yahoo.com

An elite North Korean suicide squad of human torpedoes has been blamed for the sinking of a South Korean ship in mysterious circumstances.

Korea's Defence Intelligence Command had alerted the navy weeks ahead of the sinking that North Korean suicide squads were being deployed, according to reports in Seoul

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What??? Suicide bombers now? Does NK have the indoctrination needed to create suicide bombers? I know submarines can be hard to detect, i guess it would be almost impossible to spot something like this until far too late. And does it open up concerns for US ships being targeted in similar fashion by al quida?

It reminds me of the penal colony Steiner was on in the channel islands in the eagle has landed!! Human suicide torpedos. Scary world

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Originally posted by expatwhite
What??? Suicide bombers now? Does NK have the indoctrination needed to create suicide bombers?

Well it's thought they produce a large amount of meth amphetamines there. I'm sure it would be easy using drugs to convince some lunatic to pilot a torpedo.

reply to post by expatwhite


Expatwhite.....

I suspect the writer of the article doesn't understand what a "human torpedo" is.

It's a ride-on sub used to get to a boat under water.....it's not an explosive suicide device.

Please see some further info as per the link.

en.wikipedia.org...

Here is a CGI picture of one:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fa1848f064a7.jpg[/atsimg]

Here are a couple of photos from WW2:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e6ff013c43ca.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9da398277e66.jpg[/atsimg]

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 22-4-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

This does not make sense. North Korea does not have a culture of martyrdom.
If they did this, they would have used highly trained frogmen using mini-subs or similiar - much as the allies did in the 2nd World War. The missions were highly dangerous, often suicidal in nature due to the difficulty ... but they were not performed by men who wanted to become martyrs for their cause. They were just brave men.

I do detect a false flag operation, or more demonising of North Korea - it is very easy to be fearful or hate countries that have suicide bombers.

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Deltaalphanovember.....

See above

It's not a sucide device.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


ah yes .. I see we are thinking along the same lines ... These writers should stick to writing about Miley Cyrus.

Originally posted by deltaalphanovember
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ah yes .. I see we are thinking along the same lines ...

These writers should stick to writing about Miley Cyrus.

Myley Cyrus!

I rate it as suicidal as bomb disposal.

The biggest advantage is of course accuracy, i wonder if these sub-torpedoes are any quieter to operate? You could also park and wait, which with a conventional torpedo you couldn't.

Originally posted by harryhaller
I rate it as suicidal as bomb disposal.

The biggest advantage is of course accuracy, i wonder if these sub-torpedoes are any quieter to operate? You could also park and wait, which with a conventional torpedo you couldn't.

How long can you wait for? Just wondering as i know nothing at all about diving. With enough oxygen tanks and at a reasonable depth i suppose you could wait till as long as the diver cracked up from breathing through just his mouthpiece. But how do you know what ship your attacking?

And maybe...maybe not, good point andi accept that, but a lot of books i have read talk about concussion waves from an explosion. How far away do you have to be away from the blast so it doesnt kill you in the water? Any ideas mate? Really curious about this.....

I still dont think NK had anything to do with this.

Human torpedos are WAY to sophisticated for
NK Navy.

There are only a handful of countries in the world
that could pull this feat off.

a few that come to mind are:

Capable ::::::

China
Russia
Britain
France
USA
Israel

it's a very short list.

Now factor in which one of those countries above
want WW3 ???

Motive :::::::

Israel

Anybody remember USS Liberty ???
ring any bells ???

reply to post by boondock-saint


Doesnt China supply NK with weapons? Perhaps they sold them a few of these things ages ago and were laughing as they did it as assumed they would never be used. Or maybe the NK thought they were buying full size subs, its just they used Kim Jong Il as a model

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I'm not an expert on diving either. However, if you have a machine, you can have more exygen at hand. A typical dive i would imagine could last an hour, with extra oxygen tanks, call it 4 hours (?)

That would be plenty of time to find a position on the sea floor, and wait for the convoy of ships to approach. They would have no warning of anything incoming.

WRT blast waves, yes, that would seem the greatest threat. I'm not sure how it works, your ears would be the most sensitive, ie first to break. Perhaps special shock absorption suits?

The same for extracting the pilot. Because now his time would be severely restricted by as much as he can carry, so i would assume a 1 hour escape limit.

Originally posted by expatwhite
And maybe...maybe not, good point andi accept that, but a lot of books i have read talk about concussion waves from an explosion. How far away do you have to be away from the blast so it doesnt kill you in the water? Any ideas mate? Really curious about this.....

Expatwhite.....

The practice of attaching explosives to ships was utilised successfully 60 years ago in WW2, however I can't find specific references to the distance required to survive various blast parameters.

Navigation was achieved by different methods.

There are myriad reference sources available if you Google this subject.

Here's one article I found interesting:

www.divingheritage.com...

The Wiki article I posted also has useful info & links.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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Boondock-saint.....

I respectfully disagree with your assertions.

Those things are certainly not high-tech.

I refer to the sources to which I linked (above).

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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yes, China does sell arms to NK
however, items of this specialty nature
get leaked or is spotted by roving satellites
so the SK Military would have been informed
of their existence by US Intelligence.

One thing a lot of folks are forgetting
is that today, these human torpedos
can be attached to a sub and dropped
off to sit on the bottom and then after
the strike they can re-unite with a sub
out of sonar range. Or they can be
dropped along side a ship to go hunting.

Lil Kim does claim to have nukes so he
may have this type weapon's platform.
However, unless his persona has changed,
he normally boasts about things of this nature.
And in this case, he was quiet as a mouse
and later denied it. That was out of character
for him.

The reason why u would want to sink a vessel
in this manner is to be secret about who
is responsible for it. so u can blame it on
the other guy. And as we all know from
9/11 is that Israel is quite handy in that dept.

Now add another event to this scenario. The oil
rig in the gulf exploding. Many think that was
the work of Mossad to get Obama to bomb
Iran. That makes 2 incidents of death and loss
of property in a month and both were on the
water so they could get away without being
detected.

This just seems more like Mossad stealth style
hit and run tactics.

With a rebreather type air supply built into the torpedo/sub a diver could stay down for 16+ hours.
The only limit in Korean waters would be the cold.
www.rebreather.com...
The US navy Seals have wearable rebreathers that can keep a diver under for 8+ hours.

This is a clear effort on behalf of S.Korea to dehumanize the North, in order to make it easier to attack them or sanction them.

Read the crystal clear propaganda that is being used here, they learned well from their Western masters.

Dont get me wrong i dont sympathize with neither side, i kjust read between the lines. This is fascist propaganda at its best, the way the Nazis used and all the western nations adopted later.

How can a superduper equipped ship not have seen a slow # like that miles before the impact?



[edit on 22-4-2010 by Dynamitrios]

Well you know those North Korean soldiers are head strong, always looking to get ahead.

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UMMM...The South doesn't need to "dehumanize" the North, they do it quite well on thier own. Starving thier own people so thier "glorious leader" can have whiskey and all the refinements of a wealthy man...which he derides btw, isn't exactly grounds for a Nobel. Apparently being rich and comfortable isn't good enough for his subjects, so he must bare the burden.