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Originally posted by blueorder
some people oppose the death penalty because innocents may die- if euthanasia was legalised, innocents will die, rest assured of that, I wonder if the same people oppose legalised euthanasia...............
Originally posted by Retrovertigo
In answer to your question, no they don't...Or at least I don't...
I oppose the death penalty, period....
And I absolutely support the right of a person to choose when and how they die...I also believe doctors who wish to help a person die by putting a cannula in a vein and either handing them a syringe filled with Nembutal that said person administers themselves or injecting the Nembutal into the vein of that person should not be prosecuted...
How can I support euthanasia and oppose the death penalty you ask ?
Easy....Comparing the two as you've tried to do is the old apples and oranges scenario, they're two completely different things...
Originally posted by Dock9
They don't have the spine to interfere at the 'entry' phase ... birth. No. Because they're terrified of losing votes if they were to curtail the number and type of 'entries'
Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by cwt8466
Yep. You get a star too !
Thank God we're hearing from those of independent thought and not afraid to speak it
edit : (at the end of that short first line, there's supposed to be a thumbs-up, but it's not performing as it should and instead, your thumbs-up award wishes to be seen simply as 'up', lol. Anyway, it's the thought that counts, right ?
2nd edit: A miracle ! The thumb finally made it !
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[edit on 31-3-2010 by Dock9]
Originally posted by blueorder
Not at all, for those that oppose the death penalty, they often use the defence that one innocent dying makes it something they cannot countenance- with legalised euthanasia, with this being the land of man, and imperfection being impossible, innocents will die, if you are happy with that and cannot see the contradiction, so be it
Originally posted by Retrovertigo
Well I'm not "they"...
I oppose the death penalty because its nothing but an act of vengeance...
And that is all I will say about the death penalty...Because this is a thread about euthanasia, not the death penalty and I won't be drawn into an off topic conversation in this thread....
On the other hand, euthanasia, whether assisted completely or partially is an act of mercy, an act of utmost kindness...Probably the kindest act one could bestow upon another other than giving one's life for them...
Originally posted by blueorder
This is the utopian view on an internet forum, in reality it will be rather sordid, brutal and result in people dying who feel like a burden etc.........
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Originally posted by Retrovertigo
And your evidence of this is ?
Show me evidence from states/countries where euthanasia is legal that widespread abuse of these laws in the way of people who don't want to die are being forced to die is taking place...
Without such evidence, the point you tried to make above is bunk...
Originally posted by blueorder
This is not utopia, this is the land of man- I mean seriously, that applies to anything we are discussing, EVERYTHING IS AND WILL BE OPEN TO ABUSE ON THIS EARTH, you are not such a deluded uptopian, are you!
Your last comment is bunk, uptopian bunk
You actually do not deserve a reply, as you seem to exist on a forum page, with no understanding of the abuse human beings carry out and are capable of, but go check out Dr Kervokian for starters, who helped kill 4 people with no discernible organic illness
*shakes head*
Originally posted by Dock9
Generally speaking, most people don't automatically consider submitting an application seeking permission to die
However, if the suicide attempt fails, the person can be arrested and/or placed in a psychiatric unit, in various parts of the world
Also, anyone who assists someone to die could be charged and sentenced, in various parts of the world
It's government legislation which allows for people to be charged and/or committed to an institution
Such unenlightened laws probably date back to the days when those who killed themselves were buried in unhallowed ground, i.e., the Church effectively presumed to punish them for eternity and to humiliate an already grieving family
These days, it's governments who undertake to 'punish' those who try to depart early, by putting them institutions and jailing those who might have tried to help them to leave early
In the same breath, governments also give the nod to 24 hour alcohol sales and even though they know a platoon of soldiers will almost certainly die in the process, they nevertheless give the order to proceed into enemy territory
It's all supposed to make sense, even though it clearly does not. But if it all becomes too much for you and you decide you want to leave the planet, you'll be pronounced 'crazy' and placed on zombifying meds until you've been judged sane (i.e., willing to endure your life- sentence on earth with no more attempted jail-breaks)
in reality it will be rather sordid, brutal and result in people dying who feel like a burden etc.........