TIME TRAVEL: Strong evidence or major hoax???

Despite of this matter already has been discussed on ATS, you WON'T find an analysis like THAT, so PLEASE moderators, don't close the thread. Then lets talk about time travel...

We know that the "in the box" mainstream science doesn't admit it, despite Einstein has been saying that's possible. Impracticable, once (presumably) the equipment isn't available, but possible.
The physicist Robert Forward noted that a naive application of general relativity to quantum mechanics suggests a proton, in a strong magnetic field, would deform into a cylinder, whose density and "spin" would be sufficient to build a time machine. Gamma rays are projected into the cylinder would possibly allow information (no matter) was sent back in time.
In 1949, the Austrian mathematician Kurt Gödel found a solution to the equations of general relativity, which showed the existence of so-called hairpin time-type that would exist due to the warping of spacetime caused by gravitation.
According to the Einstein's theory of relativity, any material particle has a universal (cosmic sense) time-type line, that's always confined to the so-called "local light cone." This idea expresses, mathematically, the fact that nothing can travel faster than light. However, Gödel showed that gravitation can "bend" these light cones and make the curves of time-type, close up on themselves causing a return to the past. Thus, the matter could travel back to the past, through these cones. It seems that the so called "wormholes" are light cones, naturally warped by a huge amount of gravitation. Just regarding, that none of these theories about time travel, found solutions to the issue of the "time paradox".

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Above, model of wormhole that fits in Gödel's time travel theory.

Then, lets leave aside the theories and dig it in the practical life. According to former US navy engineer, Al Bielek, in 1943 Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla and John Von Neumann developed a secret project to US navy, involving space-time bending, through the Tesla coins. This project, initially, was called "The Philadelphia Experiment". After Tesla has left the project, it became "The Rainbow Project", under the command of Neumann and in the later '70s it became "The Montauk Project". Just for this matter, but without too much details, according to Bielek and Phil Schneider, the Montauk stage, had full participation of extraterrestrial humanoids.

Lately, two whistleblowers, Dr. Lewis David Anderson and Andrew D. Basiago, a private lawyer in Washington State, the US defense community achieved teleportation in the late 60s and in the early '70s, started to develop the so called Project Pegasus towards the time travel experiments. This timeline doesn't seems too much precise to me, 'cos the first successful US military teleportation experiment, has occurred during the tests with the USS Eldridge, in 1944.

However, my point isn't to build a detailed historic profile of these alleged experiments, just gather some data to solidify this discussion. My point is to expose some pictures, published in the internet, that may to spice up the time travel subject. Lets see them:

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In Dec. 11, 2008, a team of Chinese tomb raiders announced they found a Swiss ring-watch, after removing the covering of the 400 years old Si Qing tomb, from Ming Dinasty, placed in Shangsi County. Before you say it's a hoax, take a look at these pictures:

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Above, you can see that the supposed watch stopped working in 10:10

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I doubt you have seen the last two pictures before. The western media avoided to publish them 'cos they show the tomb where it was found and the massive coverage made by Chinese media. They took this very seriously and it suggests the tomb raiders aren't hoaxers.

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Above, two models of limited edition ring-watches made by LeCoultre and Rolex. Both were the first ring-watch models and started to be manufactured in the '50s. So far nobody could explain HOW that Swiss tiny watch got inside a 400 years old sealed tomb...

Lets see another case, that was discussed here. A picture, originally posted in the Virtual Museum website, about an event that occurred in the '40s, the reopening of the South Fork Bridge after flood in Nov. 1940, 1941, in South Fork Bridge, Gold Bridge, B.C. Canada. A guy shown in the image, that seems to be very out place:

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I highlighted the odd details in his figure. Lets dig it deeper:

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Above, his sunglasses. At first glance the side shields could suggest a welding goggles model, but in the '40s, simply there weren't squared welding goggles.

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Compare with this modern sunglass model, above...


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Above, the design of the welding goggles manufactured in the '40s...

The second odd detail. His camera:

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Notice it has a huge objective lens. Before you say "so what?", be aware that in the '40s just there weren't cameras with interchangeable lenses.

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Above, the models of handy cameras manufactured in the '40s...

Now, notice another guy in the picture:

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Notice the handy camera he got in his hands. Most likely a model like that:

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Notice that in the picture of the event, next of the black car, there are very looking good people, I mean, they seem to be rich people, due their clothes, including this guy handing the '40s camera, regarding it was a very expensive model in those times... However the out place dude, has a kinda poor wear style and is handing a camera with objective lens, that only started to be manufactured in the '50s...

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Above, you can see models of '50s cameras.

Well, that guy REALLY seems to be out place in that picture... Could he to be a time traveler, an agent of Project Pegasus, or is just a very nice photoshop job????

So guys, bring the ideas...

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Swiss watch found in 400 years old Chinese tomb

Project Pegasus whistleblowers


[edit on 24-3-2010 by ucalien]

Very interesting thread and a good read. (S&F)
So what i wanted to mention is, if you take a look at
the 2 Pictures with the LeCoultre and Rolex ring-watches
They also show 10:10h, i don't know what to make out of it, just wanted to mention it.

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So what i wanted to mention is, if you take a look at the 2 Pictures with the LeCoultre and Rolex ring-watches They also show 10:10h, i don't know what to make out of it, just wanted to mention it.

I think the author of the matter, purposely photographed these ring-watches, marking 10:10, to highlight the case. Ain't sure, just a thought.

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Watches are often shown in ads set at 10:10. This prevents the hands from obstructing the brand name on the watch.

I think the glasses and camera picture is easily explainable.

Those glasses have wings on them, similar to these:



No I can't find an exact image but it's a lot closer than the welding goggles or the Oakleys you posted.

As for the camera, there are some that had large lenses on them, such as the Kodak Medalist:

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I dont think, so
They dont look alike Funny why do skeptics like you always try to bring a good thread down? I am into time travel and therefore i dont pay your claim, nice try though.


To op Those glasses look like modern from the 90s or 80s.

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think the glasses and camera picture is easily explainable. Those glasses have wings on them, similar to these:

"Easily explainable"?? I don't think so. The goggles he's wearing seem to have a very modern design. The frame is quite different from the model you have been showing.

As for the camera, there are some that had large lenses on them, such as the Kodak Medalist:

The ONLY Kodak Medalist that was manufactured in 1941, was this model:

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100% different the model he's handing, that totally looks like a modern digital camera with super lens.

Check it here:

Timeline of Kodak cameras

Vintage cameras

As you see, isn't THAT easy to explain that picture...

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Originally posted by Chadwickus
I think the glasses and camera picture is easily explainable.

Those glasses have wings on them, similar to these:

No I can't find an exact image but it's a lot closer than the welding goggles or the Oakleys you posted.

As for the camera, there are some that had large lenses on them, such as the Kodak Medalist:

Excellent Stuff, dont know how you found that pic, Thats what I think the glasses are, [we know Albert's a hipster and A bit of a rebel ] and that they only look like sunglasses because behind the lenses is in shadow.

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Excellent Stuff, dont know how you found that pic, Thats what I think the glasses are, ad that they only look like sunglasses because behind the lenses is in shadow.

Think twice. The "shadow" behind the lens you are referring to, is darker than the shadow cast that is extending from the ear to the chin and makes a perfect 45° angle with the lens frame. IMO it's not a shadow, but part of the frame.

Seems like you're obsessed with trying to prove this idea. There's a historian on the subject of Marco Polo that has indicated Marco Polo and the Chinese met Iraqi Sailors in the Pacific NW. The Chinese traveled all over the world as did others.

A Brownie camera is what the guy is holding, he has a kind of Yalish dress to him. www.thecollectordetector.net...

Time simply doesn't exist as part of nature. There is no plane or planes in existence being manufactured each moment to accommodate the continuum between one moment and the next. A record of history exists in the Akash, the near future exists as ideas not yet decided. Both are perceivable. Time as a 4th dimension is a science fiction and science idea to demonstrate the continuation of historic events. It is not a natural reality.

Einstein was a fraud used to take attention off of Tesla and real science so the Illuminati could continue to control it's advance. Where Einstein may have had some validity comes from other people who proceeded him and "ghost writers".

Time Travel is not to be confused with rapid movement through space.

ok this links in with something Ive heard before, ok some where in mexico there was a guy who found a really really old tomb that had a compass in it .. it obviously should not have been there ... they dug around and found there was a secret passage way ... the passage way apparently lead to a room with messages from a future human race that said they were leaving cashes around the planet and we would start finding them around this time and there would always be an indication if one of these were found by them leaving an object that could not possibly be there, and they would give us knowledge to try and prevent the mistakes they made in the future.


maybe they should keep searching the tomb for secret doors and passages to a cashe

just seems odd thats all ... now that i think of it ... it was Al Bielek who said that hmmm

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I'll believe the mundane explanation over time travel if the best evidence is only trendy looking specs. It could be a brand that wasn't that popular at the time because it wasn't the fashion at the time, and might even require more digging in old newspapers in libraries to find the model or type. Not everything from the 40's is documented yet on the web.

You would have to have a photo of something like a mobile phone that clearly shows Nokia or I-phone for me to even consider evidence of time travel.

well hell, I am going to S&F this thread just for a nicely put together discussion.

As far as time travellers go however...I would think that such travel would have to be exceptionally controlled so as not to screw up the timeline..unless there are other principles at work here.

One thing that sort of debunks the time traveller guy in my eyes is that...sure, he looks out of place considering the rest of the public, however, his camera is hardly cutting edge space tech. The arguement may be that he got that specifically to fit in, but we already have cameras that can be stuck in the head of a pen, so if he truely wanted to take high rez pictures without being noticed, he would be holding one of those.

Seems...sloppy to me. And Any organization guarding the time travel device would be highly regulated as mentioned...which means they would have accounted for such items, along with the out of place clothes to not attract attention. In those pictures, the more likely time traveller candidate will be the one least noticable

Think twice. The "shadow" behind the lens you are referring to, is darker than the shadow cast that is extending from the ear to the chin and makes a perfect 45° angle with the lens frame. IMO it's not a shadow, but part of the frame.

Its darker because its further from direct light shaded by the sidescreens.
The shadow from the ear will be less because more light is on it.
The brighter the light, the fainter the shadow. Im talking shadow behind the lenses, not at the side.

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skeptics like you dont understand how the world is run by.
nice little speech doesnt effect my stand.

I will say this the Government has the time travel tech which is been hidden from the public.

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Einstein was a fraud used to take attention off of Tesla and real science so the Illuminati could continue to control it's advance. Where Einstein may have had some validity comes from other people who proceeded him and "ghost writers". Time Travel is not to be confused with rapid movement through space.

Wow, I don't think Einstein was a fraud to take attention off of Tesla, just 'cos Tesla himself talked to much in public and he just attracted lot of attention to himself. Anyway, the principle of the warped light cones is applicable to space travel AND time travel.

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Why do "skeptics alway stry to bring a good thread down?" Is that really what you just asked?! Good lord.

Look at the slogan of this website. "Deny Ignorance." Skeptics attempt to establish a minimum of factuality in these discussions.

Deny Ignorance. Don't dig on skeptics for attempting to establish that these arguments are not definitive just because you want it to be right.

Originally posted by ReelView
Time simply doesn't exist as part of nature.

And whatever you say is true bcuz u said so, oh and plus u used word salad like a typical narcissist. Yeah: time is just an illusion, that is why you and everyone else lives their lives timing when they will do things or do you just try and do everything at the same time lol?

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Look at the slogan of this website. "Deny Ignorance." Skeptics attempt to establish a minimum of factuality in these discussions.

If you read carefully my replies you will see that the arguments of the skeptics aren't that good to debunk this pictures. The camera that guy is handing WAS NOT manufactured before 1950. And he really looks out place. IMO the only two explanations are: Photoshop job or time traveler. I think you skeptics should use the first one, 'cos is more plausible than the arguments you've been using so far.