Health Care Bill: SEC. 1555. Freedom Not To Participate In Federal Health Insurance Programs.

I don't know why the press is reporting that getting healthcare will be mandatory. The bill itself says;

16 SEC. 1555. FREEDOM NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL
17 HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAMS.
18 No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or
19 health insurance issuer offering group or individual health
20 insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any
21 Federal health insurance program created under this Act
22 (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal
23 health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any
24 such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine

docs.house.gov... (pg 362)





[edit on 23-3-2010 by 911stinks]

well isnt that an interesting development...
second.

s& F for you.


Please though, don't use logic of facts when talking about the health care bill. If you do then you will be sent to the magic death camps,pay a fine, wait 5 hours for your sentence and then be asked by sara palin about how you plan for the later years in your life as your health is going.

You should leave the country now and avoid the flames, I hear rush's plane is now available and they thought they would be leaving.

It's not mandatory in that you have a choice to pay the insurance or pay the extra taxes and fines. I just finished my taxes. This is the first year that my husband's healthcare insurance was included in the federal form. The line that caught my attention on form 8889 is Part III Income and Additional Tax for Failure to Maintain HDHP Coverage. For those who are unaware, HDHP stands for high deductible health plan under the HSA or health savings account. Obamacare had not been signed into law for 2009, yet we were liable had he not maintained coverage for that year. This is not healthcare, it is tax legislation in a healthcare paper wrapping.

[edit on 23-3-2010 by KidIkarios]

Ok so what about the private ones? That only says Federal, and right now as I understand it there will only be a temporary federal "pool".

Whoops! Wrong Thread! I was never here, and you didn't see anything. I'll just be on my way now.

[edit on 23-3-2010 by getreadyalready]

Originally posted by 911stinks
I don't know why the press is reporting that getting healthcare will be mandatory. The bill itself says;

16 SEC. 1555. FREEDOM NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL
17 HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAMS.
18 No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or
19 health insurance issuer offering group or individual health
20 insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any
21 Federal health insurance program created under this Act
22 (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal
23 health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any
24 such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine

docs.house.gov... (pg 362)





[edit on 23-3-2010 by 911stinks]

18 No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or
19 health insurance issuer offering group or individual health
20 insurance coverage


That just means insurance companies are exempt. It does not say regular citizens are exempt from the requirement of purchasing insurance.

No it is not mandatory, but if you don't get it you have to pay fines.

Read here

Starting in 2014, require that most Americans have a minimum level of health insurance or else pay a penalty

Penalty: In 2014, $95 a year or 0.5 percent of a household’s income, whichever is greater; in 2015, $495 or 1 percent of income; in 2016, $750 or 2 percent of income (with a maximum of $2,250 for a family). The penalty would be adjusted for inflation after 2016.

Link

Originally posted by ohioriver

Originally posted by 911stinks
I don't know why the press is reporting that getting healthcare will be mandatory. The bill itself says;

16 SEC. 1555. FREEDOM NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL
17 HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAMS.
18 No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or
19 health insurance issuer offering group or individual health
20 insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any
21 Federal health insurance program created under this Act
22 (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal
23 health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any
24 such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine

docs.house.gov... (pg 362)





[edit on 23-3-2010 by 911stinks]

18 No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or
19 health insurance issuer offering group or individual health
20 insurance coverage


That just means insurance companies are exempt. It does not say regular citizens are exempt from the requirement of purchasing insurance.

Pretty sure individual refers to average Joe.

I've read a few contracts. Wording is extremely important. One could take construing individual as myself included to court.

[edit on 23-3-2010 by 911stinks]

Originally posted by BlackJackal
No it is not mandatory, but if you don't get it you have to pay fines.

Read here

Starting in 2014, require that most Americans have a minimum level of health insurance or else pay a penalty

Penalty: In 2014, $95 a year or 0.5 percent of a household’s income, whichever is greater; in 2015, $495 or 1 percent of income; in 2016, $750 or 2 percent of income (with a maximum of $2,250 for a family). The penalty would be adjusted for inflation after 2016.

Link

I don't think the people that posted that, read the bill. Read SEC 1555.

Alright, back with the VOLUNTARY thing again.

Yes, it will be as VOLUNTARY as Federal Income Tax is.

NO S&F for you.


[edit on 3/23/2010 by endisnighe]

Originally posted by endisnighe
Alright, back with the VOLUNTARY thing again.

Yes, it will be as VOLUNTARY as Federal Income Tax is.

NO S&F for you.

If I could, -1 Star -1 Flag

The conspiracy here is that no one is aware of the clause.

Maybe someone on our side put it in, and no-one picked up on it.

Did anyone read my post? The taxes for failure to maintain coverage are in our 2009 tax return.

reply to post by 911stinks


But, the asshats are already writing additions to this monstrosity.

Plus, when they write the code at the CMS, they will set this thing up anyway they want.

Get that foot in the door.

Nothing that is in this thing, means anything.

Even if the Supreme Court stated it is unConstitutional, it would still mean nothing.

Two seperate Supreme Court decisions state that there were no new taxing authority given by the 16th amendment. But we all know the IRS works outside the Constitution. Just as SS, Medicare, etc.

I know there are things hidden in this bill. But this cannot mean what it says. Hell the House Dems home page states that the mandatory purchase is in the bill. So this has to have some other meaning in lawyer speak.

Says one thing, but means another.

I'm just trying to show people their rights, written in this law.

You can't be taxed for health care, because according to section 1555, no-one
is required to participate in any of the Federal Health Programs. I infer that that
states we are not required to pay taxes for FHP either.

HA HA!

reply to post by 911stinks


Do you ever get tired of misleading people???

16 SEC. 1555. FREEDOM NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN FEDERAL
HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAMS.
No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine

No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer OFFERING GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE shall be required to participate in any FEDERAL HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM created under this act.

Fact 1: This says nothing about the individual mandate to carry insurance

Fact 2: This applies to those OFFERING insurance

Fact 3: They don't have to participate in any FEDERAL HEALTH INSURANCE PROGRAM created under this act...and since none are created....this clause basically says nothing.

Federal...

Ya know in Germany they have 70% socialized medicine but if a person meets certain requirements he or she can opt out of the public option plan and take a private insurance plan.

Well....

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Thanks for backing up my earlier point with your last fact.

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reply to post by darkelf


It was already in this years taxes?

So this is just an end run around the Congress and the Constitution.

If it is in the tax code already, there is ABSOLUTELY no chance this will be overturned by the Supreme Court.

Because the SC has already stated that no new taxing power was created by the 16th Amendment.

Yet we have the IRS. The IRS, the collection arm of the Federal Reserve.

So I suppose this is just another extraConstitutional Agency being set up to squeeze us out of more of our labor.