Department of Education Posts Order for Police Shotguns

Department of Education Posts Order for Police Shotguns

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Believe it or not, the Department of Education is in the market for Remington shotguns. In the post below from FedBizzOps website, the government agency that came up with the idea of No Child Left Behind and is responsible for enforcing federal education laws announces it is in the market for twenty-seven Remington 870 Police shotguns.

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First it was the IRS ordering shotguns. Many said "hmmm..what for?" but now this.
Why does the Department of Education want shotguns? Will these be for "educational" purposes or enforcement?
This is both bizarre and rather scary.
I'm sure this will be a good use of taxpayer monies and our children will benefit immensely from this purchase, right? WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY THINKING? Yes, I know - they're NOT thinking (as usual) and that's the problem.
Militarizing our schools? Is this the wave of the future?
I pray not.
Thoughts?

source -
www.fbo.gov...



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sometimes those middle schoolers can be pretty unruly...

We all know the IRS has it's own police force. They carry guns and make raids and all the typical stormtrooper stuff.

The department of ed though? Well, rising truency and gangs in school guess I can't blame them.


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There is more to schools than us on the outside know. I found out they where using electronic mind control in schools in london in 1992.

So who knows what schools are doing. Obviously if they are using these techs in london, they must of course be using them in american schools too.

So who knows, what is the meaning for this.

I would advise no one ever bring kids into this world, you do not know who is out to wreck them as people.

Kinda an expected solution when corporal punishment was retired, on to capitol punishment.

I am sure it is for security at the national (maybe regional offices) of the Department of Education. Hyper-overreactive parents or other crazies. It is not a nice world. Or maybe they feel the need for security in the event of an insurrection.

Still it is odd that the same people that go completely nuts on zero tolerance (of anything) is fairly tolerable about their own protection.

I am waiting for a news story of a student bringing a 12 gauge pump claiming for self-defense from this purchase.

Assuming these are for normal schools and not for incarcerated juvenile facilities, I doubt they will carried around by anyone. They will most likely be kept locked up and used only in the worst case scenarios.

The reality is that much like 9/11 changed national security, events like Columbine changed school security. The schools of our youth, assuming your an old fart like me, are long gone.

reply to post by Kaploink


If that were the case, wouldn't there be a much larger order than what was placed?

Originally posted by Kaploink
Assuming these are for normal schools and not for incarcerated juvenile facilities, I doubt they will carried around by anyone. They will most likely be kept locked up and used only in the worst case scenarios.

The reality is that much like 9/11 changed national security, events like Columbine changed school security. The schools of our youth, assuming your an old fart like me, are long gone.

I am indeed an old fart. As I remember school it was pretty loose - we had a smoking area, people skipped constantly (not me!:lol. Everyone was a stoner back then. I guess we kinda ran amok back in the 70's.
It is a shame that schools have become so security mad. I think they are trying to indoctrinate our kids into the security state with what they do in schools, cops hanging around, metal detectors, drug dogs, etc.
And the kids will all think "this is normal".
Freedom? what was that like?

Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

27 shotguns will NOT be for schools, they will be for HQ.
This Sounds like (including the thread about IRS buying some too) the Departments in DC are preparing to "repel boarders" during coming demonstrations. Sounds like a memo was circulated, likely from DHS, telling the different agencies with offices down on the mall, (the real Mall, the one in front of the US capitol in Wash DC) , to prepare for trouble. LINK





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When I followed the link from here to infowars.com to the fedbizzops.gov site, my address bar did not change. I got all the way to the fedbizzops.gov and my address bar still said abovetopsecret.com. Does anyone know why this is?
I was hoping to copy past the address to the fedbizzops.gov where there were contacts listed at the bottom. So if anyone wanted to call and inquire as to why the Department of Education needed shotguns they could. Has anyone else noticed their address bar not changing when they follow the links?

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Worked fine for me: www.fbo.gov...

Contracting Office Address:
550 12th Street, SW, 7th Floor
Washington, District of Columbia 20202
Primary Point of Contact.:
Holly Le,
Contract Specialist
[email protected]
Phone: 202-245-6070
Fax: 202-245-6297
Secondary Point of Contact:
Sherese Perrin Lewis,
Contracting Officer
[email protected]
Phone: 202-245-6235
Fax: 202-245-6296

The last time I checked, the US Department of Education was a policy only department. The feds don't operate any public schools under the Dept. of Ed. as far as I remember. So I reallly wonder what they need shotguns for unless they are going to upgrade the arms for their security forces in downtown D.C. Twenty seven shotgus sounds about right for the few buildings they have scattered about the D.C. area. But still, it does make you wonder what's up! Hopefully, they'll edu-muh-cate their officers on how to use these shotguns properly and accurately (the only kind of gun control I support).

After reading the solicitation, I have to wonder why they specify 14" barrel weapons are quite a bit more expensive than "legal" length shotguns since they fall under Class III firearms regulations. Also, these weapons are to have speed load stocks, meaning that the 14" barrel length has nothing to do with concealability since these are full-length stocks. Hmmm...

gj

edit added 2nd para.

[edit on 11-3-2010 by ganjoa]

reply to post by ganjoa


Close quarter (indoor) use. Looks like the plan is to barricade and then shelter in place. Wonder if they will be using behind the back holsters so sidearms are viable as well.

Originally posted by ganjoa


After reading the solicitation, I have to wonder why they specify 14" barrel weapons are quite a bit more expensive than "legal" length shotguns since they fall under Class III firearms regulations. Also, these weapons are to have speed load stocks, meaning that the 14" barrel length has nothing to do with concealability since these are full-length stocks. Hmmm...

Thanks for pointing this out

I believe THAT may provide a clue....

I'll take crowd deterrence for $700..

there is exceptional deterrent value to a visible shotgun. In Costa Rica, when an Armored truck rolls up to a bank, three men get out first and position themselves with 12 gauges... They are full length and this is the point, EASY TO SEE.....that you will get the # shot out of your # if you want to play with them..

An approaching crowd will slow down as soon as they see shotguns. And I bet they are on the roof nstead of outside the front doors, which are MASSIVE bronze jobs I believe... would take a tree trunk on a sling to break down.

But you guys knew all this already.



[edit on 11-3-2010 by seataka]

Originally posted by Kaploink
Assuming these are for normal schools and not for incarcerated juvenile facilities, I doubt they will carried around by anyone. They will most likely be kept locked up and used only in the worst case scenarios.

The reality is that much like 9/11 changed national security, events like Columbine changed school security. The schools of our youth, assuming your an old fart like me, are long gone.

I could see this as being reasonable if it is the case, but included in that order should be CQB and small arms training for the individual who holds the key for the safe and whoever would have access to the shotguns. I also would expect some sort of open house with the PTA's from the school districts to hold some sort of open forum for discussing this decision.

I think if this were the case though, this would have come from individual schools or districts and not the Department of Education. And there likely would have been alot more than 20-30 of them ordered.

The whole thing doesn't make much sense to me

It could simply be that the IRS wanted more but they were limited due to budget or some red-tape barrier the government is so famous for and decided to sidestep the red-tape, as government is so famous for doing to benefit itself, by charging the purchase to a different department.

Any of us try to pull that stunt and we'd be hauled in for an audit while our property rotted in some government storage facility.

I have often gotten riled up about something I see here on ATS or out in the wild. Eventually, though, I figure out rational reason for it, or I accept it as an overreaction or something on those lines. Given what I am seeing here, I don't think it will happen in my brain this time.

Crowd control shotguns. Department of Education? The government never plans ahead like this for contingencies when there is a budget crisis. Someone will, in typical bearuecractic fashion, reallocate the contingency money for some "conference" in the Bahamas.

If this has actually happened, either a true gutting of our government departments has finished (or is in full swing), or they are sitting on a particularly catastrophic bit of news and they are preparing for the inevitable blow back.

I for one won't bother marching on Washington D.C. if something of that nature surfaces, what's the point?

This shotguns length and options they are requesting to me fall in to the category of crowd control or assault a home or building weapon . The 14 " barrel scatter gun a single shot could pepper a 10 x 10 wall 20 ish feet away. Using a deduction there going from a legal sawed off to this at 14 " .

The required date of delivery is March 22, 2010.

Contracting Office Address:
550 12th Street, SW, 7th Floor
Washington, District of Columbia 20202

Looks like the head of dept of ED is buying them and they are being shipped to one of its offices in Chicago

Place of Delivery:
U.S. Department of Education
Office of Inspector General
c/o: Gary Pawlak, Special Agent
500 West Madison Street - Suite 1414
Chicago, IL 60661

www.fbo.gov...

hmm there was a Gary Pawlak in NY Who served on the board of education and in the service now he would know how to use these most defiantly . Old tactic 3 people 1 bust door 2 shot gun angle shoot a room 2 shots clean room rinse and repeat move on .

Lieutenant Colonel Gary Pawlak presented them with a slide show full of images from his two tours of duty in Iraq. Col. Pawlak is a former member of the East Irondequoit Board of Education and just got home the previous Saturday.

www.eicsd.k12.ny.us...

Dont know what it means . I found that is odd . Was really looking for what subdepartment these were going to go to .

www.justice.gov...

Regional Audit Office
CitiCorp Center
500 West Madison, Suite 1121
Chicago, IL 60661

listed under Dep of ED

Thomas D. Utz
Acting Special Agent in Charge
Office of Inspector General
500 W. Madison Street
Suite 1414
Chicago, IL 60661

cfebdirectory.cicada.com...

Who can tie this all together ?