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Originally posted by LurkerMan
reply to post by 814ck0u7
generally speaking yes.
but if you want to get nit picky then fine, hes a falser. he claimed the story was false and then did not state any intention of wanting to know the truth, or clarify whether or not he already does. so we will give him his own category.
i guess ill call him a non-truster. (trustee?)
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Snarf
American government is confirmed liars, Iranian government is not yet. You have to put some Iranian lies in front of us so we can put them in the same basket as the US government.
Witnesses implicated a member of the Basij, the governmental militia, in Agha-Soltan's death. But an Iranian ambassador and ayatollah quickly pinned her shooting on the CIA and her fellow protesters, while a broadcasting official and a government-sponsored documentary that aired last month - said the death had been simulated by the Western news media and by Agha-Soltan herself. Thirty years ago, another iconic image of a shooting death in Iran raced round the world. It too triggered a cycle of public prote
sts and creative denials by the then-new Islamist government of Iran.
Those denials foreshadowed how the leaders of the Islamic Republic would react to Agha-Soltan's death. And they demonstrate how the lies of a government can do nothing to suppress the power of an image. In August 1979, seven months after the ouster of the shah...
Originally posted by endlessknowledge
reply to post by 814ck0u7
No one needs to prove anything to you. What I'm saying is the the chances are good that the media with use his statements to show that anyone who questions the truth about 911 is crazy and fanatical like Ahmadinejad. This is because the media has already shown Ahmadinejad to be fanatical by his "wipe Israel off the map" comment which are a twist to the truth in the first place.
Originally posted by endlessknowledge
reply to post by 814ck0u7
I guess we can agree to disagree but I think you fail to see the influence the media has on the people. The media is the main tool for government propaganda, has that not been proven? WMD ring a bell? How about the election of Obama? I think if it wasn't for the media there would have been a revolution in the US long time a go.
BTW, by media I'm referring to mainstream media and by people I don't mean most people on ATS.
Originally posted by endlessknowledge
reply to post by 814ck0u7
I said lets agree to disagree and you couldn't leave it at that. Okay you have a point that nothing is absolute and maybe Saturn's was overly presumptive in his comments, but he made a very good point based on passed pattens and you seem to fail to see that MAIN POINT.
What's foolish is this back and forth bickering that you seem to thrive on. Put your ego aside and focus on MAIN POINTS. Thanks
Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by December_Rain
Actually the Ex President of Italy says it was a inside job.
Members of the Japanese Gov say it was a inside job.
The Pres (Prime Minister)? of New Zealand questions the events .
those a few I am aware of.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Well, thats a good way to make sure its never investigated...well played.
Have a "enemy" state its a hoax and the people will rally against a investigation simply because thats what we as a nation do. Anyone suspect these enemy leaders may actually be part of the higher movement?
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Saturday called the September 11 attacks on the United States a "big fabrication" that was used to justify the US war on terrorism, the official IRNA news agency reported.
Originally posted by endlessknowledge
Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by Snarf
American government is confirmed liars, Iranian government is not yet. You have to put some Iranian lies in front of us so we can put them in the same basket as the US government.
The reason why I say that, is because I don't know, I truly don't know. If I did I wouldn't be asking someone for a favor to bring those lies so we are all enlightened.
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Well, thats a good way to make sure its never investigated...well played.
Have a "enemy" state its a hoax and the people will rally against a investigation simply because thats what we as a nation do.
Anyone suspect these enemy leaders may actually be part of the higher movement?