The 800lb Gorillia, Isreal did 911 -

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Sigismundus

 

you dont bite the hand that feeds you.

I believe that would be OUR collective view, but...researching our government occupants, movers and shakers, names and numbers,
OUR collective view will not, does not match reality.

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet


We have talked several times, we don't always agree , but we are not that far apart on our thinking.

I always regarded you , my opinion, as a Staunch American , a guy who if cut , would bleed Red , White and Blue.

I'm curious how you are able to accept the strangle hold Israel has over the US , so casually.

I am trying to figure out how an 800lb gorilla fits into the 9/11 discussion.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter



What a weak tactic some of you.... shame....

Trying to say that truthers are anti-semites because Israel was involved in 911 is so poor but no surprise the disgusting level some of the official story believers are willing to go.

This is like calling anyone who doesnt support the killing of Iraqis or Afghanis as ANTI-CHRIST and anti-Christianism.

Pathetic.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
I am trying to figure out how an 800lb gorilla fits into the 9/11 discussion.

i thinks its a metaphor, meteor, morph, example thingy

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

 

What a weak tactic some of you.... shame....

Trying to say that truthers are anti-semites because Israel was involved in 911 is so poor but no surprise the disgusting level some of the official story believers are willing to go.

This is like calling anyone who doesnt support the killing of Iraqis or Afghanis as ANTI-CHRIST and anti-Christianism.

Pathetic.

Hey herder, I dont know how you spun that 180 in your skull, but you sure did.
That was never implied or said.
How about you NOT put words in my mouth, and worry about the ones coming out of yours.
Total BS .

I remeber a while ago..one of the supposed hijackers..who isnt dead..rang his father in Eygpt.
His father of course was distraught with the fact after seeing his only son blamed for the attacks.

His father asked him where he was, to which hhis on replied " if you want to know where i am ask mossad"...

Bit of a funny thing to say to daddy, dont you think

Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter

 

What a weak tactic some of you.... shame....

Trying to say that truthers are anti-semites because Israel was involved in 911 is so poor but no surprise the disgusting level some of the official story believers are willing to go.

This is like calling anyone who doesnt support the killing of Iraqis or Afghanis as ANTI-CHRIST and anti-Christianism.

Pathetic.

Hey herder, I dont know how you spun that 180 in your skull, but you sure did.
That was never implied or said.
How about you NOT put words in my mouth, and worry about the ones coming out of yours.
Total BS .

Learn to read

Originally posted by Alfie1

More hate garbage. What is it with 9/11 so-called "truth" and ant-semitism ?

I guess Alfie or another debunker forgot what other username he was using

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Shadow Herder]

Originally posted by Sean48
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet

 

We have talked several times, we don't always agree , but we are not that far apart on our thinking.

I always regarded you , my opinion, as a Staunch American , a guy who if cut , would bleed Red , White and Blue.

I'm curious how you are able to accept the strangle hold Israel has over the US , so casually.

Well Sean if we agreed on everything this place would be very boring. I am a staunch American I do believe in the Ideas of America was founded on, I think the Federal Government has been overrun by the rich of the world. ( I think all the major powers governments have).

Israel is dependent on us, I do not see where they have a strangle hold on the country.... I see more of a threat coming from Euro-Style Socialism and how there nations our further along the collapse rate then we are ( Greece, o.k., Ireland)

Please explain how Israel has a strangle hold on the America? Oh and thanks for the comments.

double post

[edit on 4-3-2010 by poedxsoldiervet]

And then again..theres the fact that DANIEL LEWIN, a mossad agent, was suspiciosly on flight 11, where apparantly one of the passengers was SHOT..

reply to post by Shadow Herder


you totally lost me now.

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Sorry for that.

So do you believe that Israel did or did not play a part in 911?

Originally posted by andy1972
And then again..theres the fact that DANIEL LEWIN, a mossad agent, was suspiciosly on flight 11, where apparantly one of the passengers was SHOT..

Daniel Lewin was shot with a magic bullet shooting box cutter. Which one was it, they had boxcutters or a gun, they had mace but nobody was sure of that, they think......

He was also very well trained in handling this exact scenario or..... or he was taking part in the hijacking exercises taking place that day.

Also... He was a extremely wealthy man which most likely had a private jet but that is not important and not worth quoting me on.

[edit on 4-3-2010 by Shadow Herder]

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet


Please explain how Israel has a strangle hold on the America? Oh and thanks for the comments.

If you are a American Politican , or even an American seeking office, you better support Israel, even if you can't find it on a map.

Blindly support issues, even if they are not in the best interest of America.

The Israeli Lobby is the most powerful in the US, the Vid is a fair , balanced
honest report on the AIPAC.

I highly recommend it for anyone who wishes to know who is really setting
US Foreign Policy.

its a 5 part series , worth it though



[edit on 4-3-2010 by Sean48]

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Sigismundus

 

It doesnt make sense, why would Mosad agents be cheering an attack on America? Considering we are the Benefactor, thats the one thing that never makes any sense you dont bite the hand that feeds you.

I think what was meant was that they were cheering because the were happy the operation was a success. They were also documenting the event or who knows what else.

Bomb sniffing dogs sniffed something awry in the van.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Sean48

 

It still does not answer the main question what did Israel have to gain from attacking America?

So they wouldn't have to fight the rest of the Middle East themselves because if they did, then we would be more inclined to stop Israel. By attacking America and making us think that terrorists from the rest of the Middle East were responsible, they simply tricked us into fighting their wars for them.

Not saying that I believe that's what happened, just letting you know what Israel had to gain.

It would be like Nazis blowing up a building in China and blaming it on "Jewish terrorists" who are part of a huge network of Jewish terrorists throughout Europe so that China could come do the Nazis work for them.

Of course this didn't happen, just an analogy.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I went thru mikesinghs thread. And here is my conclusion. Before that let me tell everyone I only went till page 8 as it was then the thread was moved to hoax bin so the evidence should have been posted in previous pages. I only noted rebuttals where source was given to back up their rebuttals as it should be in my opinion.

Mikesinghs claims: I have numbered each claim mentioned in OP.

Claim 1.* Who leased the WTC only seven weeks before 9/11? - Silverstein was personal friends with media baron Rupert Murdoch, former Israeli President, Ariel Sharon, as well as Benjamin Netanyahu.

Claim 2.* Who Was Leased The Retail Area Beneath The WTC? - Frank Lowy = A member of the Golani Brigade, he fought in the Israeli war of independence. Lowy steered clear of the WTC on 9/11.

Claim 3.* Who Ran Security At All Three Airports Of The “Alleged” Hijackings? = The Security company, ICTS International / Huntsleigh USA (wholly owned subsidiary) was in charge of security ops at these airports. These were owned by Ezra Harel and Menachem Atzmon. Both Israeli Jews. It has a mix of security experts and Israeli intelligence.

Claim 4. *Who had the contract to run security at the WTC? = Kroll Associates owned by Jules Kroll who is Jewish. Kroll was run by Jerome Hauer also Jewish whose mother is an honorary president of the Daughters of Zion movement that is one of the central Zionist organizations involved in the creation and maintenance of the State of Israel.

Claim 5. * Were Jews Forewarned Of The Attacks? - Israeli instant messaging company, Odigo, admitted that two of its employees received instant messages warning of an impeding attack 2 hours prior to the first plane hitting.

Claim 6.* out of the 4000 Israeli Jews believed to work in the trade towers, only ONE died that day.

Claim 7.* Israeli ZIM Integrated Shipping Services Forewarned. - ZIM, an Israeli company, vacated its office (10,000 square feet) in the North WTC tower a few days before 9/11, breaking its lease, losing $50,000 in the process. (Michael Dick, who was investigating Israeli spying before and after 9/11 and looking into the suspicious move, was removed from his duties by the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, Michael Chertoff.

Claim 8.* The Dancing Israelis. Five Israelis, were caught in multiple places filming, and cheering the attacks. These men admitted being mossad agents. Their names were Sivan & Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Schmuel, Oded Ellner, & Omer Marmari. CIA agent Robert Baer confirmed their cameras were set up BEFORE the first plane struck!

Claim 9.* Who Could Possibly Remote Control Planes Into The Towers? - Dov Zakheim’s System Planning Corporation – remote airplane control technology. He is an Orthodox Jew. The SPC Corporation provided the flight termination system and command transmitter system, the technology that allows planes to be remote controlled should the pilots be incapacitated or the plane hijacked. So what else does the SPC Corp do?

Claim 10. * Who Quickly Shipped Off The WTC Metal Overseas? Alan D. Ratner’s Metals Management and the SIMS group. Ratner is Jewish. Over 50,000 tons of crime scene evidence steel to a Chinese company at $120 per ton; Ratner had obtained them for $70 per ton.

Claim 11. * Who Conducted The 9/11 Investigations? - Alvin K. Hellerstein Michael B. Mukasey Michael Chertoff Kenneth Feinberg Benjamin Chertoff Stephen Cauffman

Claim 12. * Who Wrote The Fraudulent 9/11 Commission Report? - Philip Zelikow (Jewish Dual Citizen of Israel).

Claim 13. * Former Italian PM says Mossad did 9/11.

Claim 14. * Why did 9/11 happen? = Netanyahu says 9/11 was “good” for Israel! The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv on reported that Likud leader Benjamin Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had been beneficial for Israel.

Rebuttals: of
Claim 6:
By Crauker in this post - allow me to debunk the nonsense of the one dead jew theory www.snopes.com...
Conclusion - Accurately debunked and proved claim 6 as hoax.

Claim 5:
in this post Crauker offers this source - www.911myths.com... - It does not say accurately whether the workers received message about location of attack as WTC or not. They use the word

"Still, the message did predict the attack, right? "Maybe" not."

and cite their source as www.rense.com... which says "Source Not Specified"
Conclusion - They may or may not have been notified about WTC but they did receive a msg. 2 hrs prior. Not debunked.

Claim 8:
Post by dman offers this source www.911myths.com... against Setting up the camera BEFORE 9/11 - The source posts a eyewitness account which says

"MARIA: Like a few minutes must have gone on, and all of a sudden down there I see this van park. And I see three guys on top of the van, and I'm trying, you know, to look at the building but what caught my attention, they seemed to be taking a movie."

Conclusion: The source does not claim verified proof that the camera was setup before or not, thus the camera may or may not have been planted before. Not debunked.

The above 3 are the only sourced rebuttals offered against mikesingh's 14 claims posted in the OP.
Final Conclusion: Out of 14 claims 1 debunked. Remaining 13 NOT debunked. The thread was moved to hoax section because 1 claim (Claim 6) was rebutted is my guess.

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The below rebuttals were offered against mikesingh even though they were not said in OP thus couldn't be taken into account as thread being hoax.

Unrelated OP claim1
rebuttal by wheedwhackerhttp: post regarding FAA tapes which was not cited in OP but in later post by mikesingh. wheedwhacker agrees the tapes were destroyed but states they were printed on transcript citing this source www.gwu.edu...
Conclusion - It does not tell us why the tapes were destroyed which was the original point of mike singh but since this was not cited in OP we can discount both the claims and rebuttal.

Unrelated OP claim2 rebuttal by Swampfox46_1999 in this post . This user shows rebuttal source under mikesingh's name "no passenger manifests " which mikesingh did not said at all in any of his posts on the thread.
Conclusion: Rebuttal discredited as was not claimed by mikesingh.

End.

[edit on 4-3-2010 by December_Rain]

Originally posted by andy1972
I remeber a while ago..one of the supposed hijackers..who isnt dead..rang his father in Eygpt.
His father of course was distraught with the fact after seeing his only son blamed for the attacks.

His father asked him where he was, to which hhis on replied " if you want to know where i am ask mossad"...

Bit of a funny thing to say to daddy, dont you think

No, it's nopt funny at all, considering that in the Arab world, it is pretty commonplace that anything that can be blamed on Mossad, Israel, ect. The are the CIA/KGB/FBI of Arab paranoia. Everything is a Mossad conspiracy on the Arab street.

Atta's father, strangely enough, in another interview, praised the hijackers and the 9/11 attacks as heroic.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Sigismundus

 

It doesnt make sense, why would Mosad agents be cheering an attack on America? Considering we are the Benefactor, thats the one thing that never makes any sense you dont bite the hand that feeds you. It just doesnt make sense from a tactical or Miltary standpoint. So why would Israel plan the attack or do it? I am still baffled on why people think they would do it...

I know that there was an attack on the USS Liberty, and the claim Israel made was bogus, They wanted the US to enter the War on there behalf. But attacking a warship is one thing attacking to American buildings on American Soil in the heart of Americas fincial capitol is totally different.

One of the reasons from what i read, is they wanted America to suffer the way they feel they have, to have terrorism in your face.
But is it not kind of apperant that Isreal, the Jews are leading America around by the nose ( our presents in the Middle east ? ).
The fact these Jews are allowed dual citizenship, which is illegal for anyone else.
Why do the Jews control the media in America ?

All of the Government's of the world are corrupt, Da.