Violence and Rioting due to Bank Bailouts

Well, it looks like the Indonesians have more of a sense of community and fighting spirit than those who reside in the good ole' US of A. They were able to see the hypocrisy and the madness in their system because of 1 bailout. We've already allowed 2, and guess what Fannie Mae is asking for another 15 billion bailout after the Senate decided to take away unemployment extensions.

Snippet from source:

Tensions are high in Indonesia as it appeared that a months-long investigation into the $700 million bailout of Bank Century will end without prosecution of the country's finance minister and vice president.

Many legislators saw the ouster of Sri Mulyani Indrawati and Boediono as essential to reform that could lead to a sovereign debt
upgrade, according to the FT.

This was only 15 million dollars people. We allowed close to 3 trillion get shoved right under our noses.

Here's your source:
www.businessinsider.com...



Edited 'All Caps' in title

[edit on 3/3/10 by masqua]

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry


This was only 15 million dollars people. We allowed close to 3 trillion get shoved right under our noses.

you say that like we had some sort of choice in the matter. are you suggesting we take to the streets like the Indonesians?

take a look at the pictures from there...

Pictures of the riot

That is the difference.

In some countries the Government KNOWS that if they really piss off the people, there is going to be really big trouble.

But in America the government can get away with doing absolutely anything.
Americans just flip the TV to another channel and open another beer.

When martial law comes, Americans will just watch it on CNN and order another pizza to be delivered.



[edit on 3/3/2010 by Silver Shadow]

reply to post by Silver Shadow

That's right. We have no sense of responsibility to ourselves.

reply to post by drsmooth23


Did you just hear yourself? You actually said, "You act like we had a choice." AREN"T WE IN A DEMOCRACY? If your own statement doesn't ring bells in your head, then I'm not sure what else can be said to change your mind.

I guess we should just keep watching television and hope for the best...huh?

[edit on 3-3-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Did you just hear yourself? You actually said, "You act like we had a choice." AREN"T WE IN A DEMOCRACY? If your own statement doesn't ring bells in your head, then I'm not sure what else can be said to change your mind.

Yup.

The Australian government is planning to introduce internet censorship, and they probably will. But they are scared to death of blow back from the voters.

Yesterday many Australians were blocked from Rense.com including myself.

There was absolute fury here, I was going to contact my local political representative and read him the riot act.

But today Rense.com is back.

If enough people get really really angry and DO SOMETHING, the politicians crap their pants. Some greasy little Zionist Joo must have taken it all upon himself to add Rense.com to the banned internet site list.

When the public fury started it was very quickly removed from the list. Democracy at work here.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
AREN"T WE IN A DEMOCRACY?

No, actually we aren't. The fliptop heads in DC can say the USA is a model of democracy all they wish, but we are not a deomcracy at all. The United States is a Constitutional Republic. Them saying we're a democracy is purely sunshine and farts to make We the People feel like we actually play a role in policy making and the direction of the nation. In fact, in the few circumstances in which we have gone towards direct democracy (an example being states which have passed 2/3rds laws in which all tax increases must be brought before the voters) the government has decried them and villified them, rather than stating "THIS is democracy."

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
Well, it looks like the Indonesians have more of a sense of community and fighting spirit than those who reside in the good ole' US of A. They were able to see the hypocrisy and the madness in their system because of 1 bailout. We've already allowed 2, and guess what Fannie Mae is asking for another 15 billion bailout after the Senate decided to take away unemployment extensions.

Snippet from source:

Tensions are high in Indonesia as it appeared that a months-long investigation into the $700 million bailout of Bank Century will end without prosecution of the country's finance minister and vice president..

This was only 15 million dollars people. We allowed close to 3 trillion get shoved right under our noses.

You might want to read up on the violent history of the region (including Christian-Muslim and Muslim-Christian violence as well as riots against clans, tribes www.crisisgroup.org..., and heavy amounts of gang violence wwwarc.murdoch.edu.au...) before making any assumptions about "sense of community." I don't know that I'd call them "community spirited" when communities go around slaughtering other communities.

It's hard to say how much the Suharto regime contributed to this.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
AREN"T WE IN A DEMOCRACY?

No, actually we aren't. The fliptop heads in DC can say the USA is a model of democracy all they wish, but we are not a deomcracy at all. The United States is a Constitutional Republic. Them saying we're a democracy is purely sunshine and farts to make We the People feel like we actually play a role in policy making and the direction of the nation. In fact, in the few circumstances in which we have gone towards direct democracy (an example being states which have passed 2/3rds laws in which all tax increases must be brought before the voters) the government has decried them and villified them, rather than stating "THIS is democracy."

Oh, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Hence my point. Even in the "illusion" of a democracy, the American people should be outraged and mobilized. But, this will never happen.

Originally posted by burdman 30ot6

Originally posted by Evolved Ministry
AREN"T WE IN A DEMOCRACY?

No, actually we aren't. The flip top heads in DC can say the USA is a model of democracy all they wish, but we are not a democracy at all. The United States is a Constitutional Republic. Them saying we're a democracy is purely sunshine and farts to make We the People feel like we actually play a role in policy making and the direction of the nation. In fact, in the few circumstances in which we have gone towards direct democracy (an example being states which have passed 2/3rds laws in which all tax increases must be brought before the voters) the government has decried them and vilified them, rather than stating "THIS is democracy."

Im a Champagne Socialist But can anybody really define Democracy? an if yea come up with the right answer , compare it what you call Democracy in the USA to day an see if there are any similarities !

reply to post by Byrd


I'm not sure how this is different from having White Supremacists, Black Power, Chinese Mafia, the Italian Mafia, or anything other elitist group that is constantly at each others' throats.

Just because we haven't started killing each other yet, doesn't mean that it won't happen.

And as far as I can tell...it appears that we have the Christian vs Muslim thing going on in this country, and the world as well.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by DCDAVECLARKE

Originally posted by burdman 30ot6

Originally posted by Evolved Ministry
AREN"T WE IN A DEMOCRACY?

No, actually we aren't. The flip top heads in DC can say the USA is a model of democracy all they wish, but we are not a democracy at all. The United States is a Constitutional Republic. Them saying we're a democracy is purely sunshine and farts to make We the People feel like we actually play a role in policy making and the direction of the nation. In fact, in the few circumstances in which we have gone towards direct democracy (an example being states which have passed 2/3rds laws in which all tax increases must be brought before the voters) the government has decried them and vilified them, rather than stating "THIS is democracy."

Im a Champagne Socialist

But can anybody really define Democracy? an if yea come up with the right answer , compare it what you call Democracy in the USA to day an see if there are any similarities !

Definition of Democracy:

Democracy is a political government either carried out directly by the people (direct democracy) or by means of elected representatives of the people (Representative democracy). The term is derived from the Greek: δημοκρατία - (dēmokratía) "rule of the people",[1] which was coined from δῆμος (dêmos) "people" and κράτος (krátos) "power", in the middle of the fifth-fourth century BC to denote the political systems then existing in some Greek city-states, notably Athens following a popular uprising in 508 BC.[2] Even though there is no specific, universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[3] there are two principles that any definition of democracy includes, equality and freedom.[4][dubious – discuss] These principles are reflected by all citizens being equal before the law, and having equal access to power,[5] and freedom is secured by legitimized rights and liberties, which are generally protected by a constitution.[6][7]

Source:
en.wikipedia.org...

Different definition

de·moc·ra·cy
   /dɪˈmɒkrəsi/ Show Spelled[dih-mok-ruh-see] Show IPA
–noun,plural-cies.
1.
government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
2.
a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
3.
a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
4.
political or social equality; democratic spirit.
5.
the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.

Source:
dictionary.reference.com...

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


No, we're not in a democracy, the US is a Constitutional Republic but we are losing our democratic principles.
You're right about us having a choice here and it's sad that more people haven't taken to the streets over the bailouts. For many I think it had a surreal quality, at a minimum we won't feel the pain for a little while yet and we haven't had our hands forced just yet.
Democracy is a new idea in southeast asia, the young people there can get quite passionate about it. Overall though I don't think it matters what type of government you have, these bailouts of the big banks are nothing but a sham.
It's getting to the point where we can claim self-defense since we are headed for tax slavery very soon at the present rate. The people shouldn't have to bear the cost of the bankers greed and corruption. They had their day in the sun but it should be over.
As long as there are people who are willing to defend these criminals for a paycheck the road to redemption will be long and bloody I'm afraid.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


You're pretty much right. Its over, so to speak.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
AREN"T WE IN A DEMOCRACY?

No, actually we aren't. The fliptop heads in DC can say the USA is a model of democracy all they wish, but we are not a deomcracy at all. The United States is a Constitutional Republic. Them saying we're a democracy is purely sunshine and farts to make We the People feel like we actually play a role in policy making and the direction of the nation. In fact, in the few circumstances in which we have gone towards direct democracy (an example being states which have passed 2/3rds laws in which all tax increases must be brought before the voters) the government has decried them and villified them, rather than stating "THIS is democracy."

Actually we are THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CORPORATION we are not a constitutional republic. Common law only applies to those smart enough to use it. Most all people are chattel whether they vote or not.